Re: [board-discuss] Re: November 2012 profits & losses
Marc Paré wrote: > I have a few questions about section 2900. I am not sure if some of > the items belong there. > Hi Marc, thanks for actually reading those things - I answer a bit selectively: > What was 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 533.60 spent on? > Lawyer and banking fees, all under the TDF charitable mission. > Actually, now that I look at the 2900 heading, it may be better to > re-label it in another way. "Other costs related to TDF" otherwise > the label that is used now suggests that the costs below the 2900 > section relates to costs that were incurred for charitable use -- > which I don't think is what you mean. > I do - so for the past year, *all* TDF expenses were done as a charity. To the best of my knowledge, no for-profit spendings. As such, we have to group those expenses under the 2500-2999 range (see below why). > IMO, all of these could fit in the 2700 category if you use the 2700 > title as "Office Expenses", then follow through with the 2701, 2702, > 2703 etc. numbering. I don't know the reason why any TDF expenses > should be singled out in 2900 when the whole Profit/Loss report > about the TDF. All of the 2900 costs seem related to 2700 Office > costs (which are understood to be "TDF Office Costs") > We in theory have some freedom in assigning and using accounts, as long as we don't fall under the German Bilanzpflicht (a mandatory annual balance report, testified by a chartered accountant). But I think it pays to act as aligned to those rules as possible, to ease transition, and also to be reasonably self-documenting for someone knowledgeable of other German charity accounting practices. As such, we base TDF Berlin accounting on the SKR49 accounting template: http://www.datev.de/portal/ShowContent.do?pid=dpi&cid=75170 , which is standard for associations, foundations, and non-profit corporations. With that template, 2700-2799 are broadly assigned for membership administration costs, and 2800-2804 for member recruitment and benefits. Both don't seem to fit the case here. So I went for the broader catch-all account 2900, though with said subaccounts for recurring items (sub accounts, in contrast to sibling accounts, have the nice feature to give summary balances in the parent 2900 account). Along those lines (and if well-justified also beyond), I'll gladly improve things. Of course, early in the year is the best opportunity to meddle with account assignments etc etc. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[board-discuss] Re: November 2012 profits & losses
Hi Thorsten, Le 2013-02-13 10:57, Thorsten Behrens a écrit : Dear members, TDF supporters, please find attached our November 2012 profits& losses report. This is the first month accounting for accrued donations from our credit card provider (some of that going back into September). Many thanks for your ongoing support, with kind regards, Cheers, Thanks for doing both Nov and Dec reports. I have a few questions about section 2900. I am not sure if some of the items belong there. =snip= Nov. 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 0.00 2900-1 Hosting costs charitable missionEUR 961.63 2900-2 Office services Berlin EUR 178.50 2900-3 Other costs software deployment EUR 0.00 Total 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 1,140.13 =snip= 2900-2 Offices service Berlin EUR 178.50 ... should this not be in the 2700 group? 2900-3 Other costs software deployment ... this perhaps should also be in the 2700 group? Maybe 2703 Software deployment (as this will be a recurring yearly expense, it deserves its category number) === =snip= Dec. 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 533.60 2900-1 Hosting costs charitable mission EUR 1,005.58 2900-2 Office services BerlinEUR 178.50 2900-3 Other costs software deployment EUR 0.00 Total 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 1,717.68 =snip= What was 2900 Other costs charitable mission EUR 533.60 spent on? Same comments as written for Nov. regarding "Offices services Berlin" and "software deployment" being in the 2700 section. === Actually, now that I look at the 2900 heading, it may be better to re-label it in another way. "Other costs related to TDF" otherwise the label that is used now suggests that the costs below the 2900 section relates to costs that were incurred for charitable use -- which I don't think is what you mean. IMO, all of these could fit in the 2700 category if you use the 2700 title as "Office Expenses", then follow through with the 2701, 2702, 2703 etc. numbering. I don't know the reason why any TDF expenses should be singled out in 2900 when the whole Profit/Loss report about the TDF. All of the 2900 costs seem related to 2700 Office costs (which are understood to be "TDF Office Costs") === Anyway, thanks a lot for doing this. It is a big job to undertake and to keep track of the receipts. Much appreciated. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org
Re: [board-discuss] travel refund for Italo's trips
Hello, The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 5 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote. The vote is quorate. A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes. Result of vote: 5 approvals, 0 neutral, 0 disapprovals. Decision: The request has been accepted. This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their deputies. Florian Florian Effenberger wrote on 2013-02-14 10:28: Hello, based on the recent discussions, I'd ask the board to vote on: 1. Having a budget of 2.500 € in total for Italo's trips to POSSCON, LibrePlanet and FOSSC Oman, 2. thereby revoking decision # 20121220-01 [1] Florian [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Decisions
Re: [board-discuss] [4.0] Review
Hello, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2013-02-13 12:05: as 4.0.0 is rolled out there should be a review about what happened: The good points, the bad points What can we do in the same way, what in a better way the next time? What is needed to get it better? A discussion may cause some budget thoughts, community handling, marketing concepts, Whiteboards, Easy Hacks etc. IMHO the board should be the starting point and the lead of such a discussion to give it a direction for the whole community. What do you think? we have already discussed some aspects on the lists, but I agree that we should do a review. Overall, I think it was a fantastic and exciting release, and you all did a great job! There is, however, some room for improvement, which I'd like to have for the next releases - in terms of translations, website and others. Do you have certain points you'd like to highlight? If so, I propose to either discuss it in a board call, or on the discuss list, so everyone can participate. Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Micro Funding Discussion on User List
Hi, Joel Madero wrote on 2013-02-14 18:53: Wanted to make sure that the board was aware of this. I gave my response and hope that it is a good one, if anyone feel like they need to add or refute what I said, of course feel free to do so :) just one generic, personal comment: Of course, any initiative to improve LibreOffice is highly welcome. However, be aware that you cannot change the whole UI for just a few hundred USD. In order to not disappoint those who want to kickstart, I *strongly* recommend first talking to developers and designers what is possible, and when. I am no developer, but from what I know, replacing the UI is a very tedious tasks, taking probably man months. Imagine what this would cost if you had to pay for the worktime. There's nothing worse than promising things to people kickstarting, that cannot be fulfilled. So, personally, I'd be *extremely* cautious with that... Florian
