Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Daniel A. Rodriguez]

>From TDF we must recognize the strategic importance of LOOL. That is why the 
>repository must remain active. That way, those who wish to join and make the 
>project shine, can do so. At the same time, as Paolo mentions, we must make 
>sure that the set of tools offered is friendly enough for newcomers. But 
>always maintaining the FLOSS preference.



29 nov. 2020 08:36:04 Simon Phipps :

> Please will those voting against the proposal explain their reasoning and the 
> alternative outcome they are supporting?
>
> Thanks
>
> Simon
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Florian Effenberger 
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> last Friday, the board discussed about LibreOffice Online. [1] During
>> the call and in the discussions following, the request for a vote has
>> been expressed, which I am hereby posting to this list.
>>
>> I start this here as a VOTE thread. For any discussions, please reply in
>> the separate DISCUSS thread, which I will initiate as well.
>>
>> The vote that has been proposed is the following:
>>
>> 1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git, for the
>> time being
>>
>> 1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online mirror to
>> instead mirror the Collabora repo, for the time being, and make sure we
>> catch pull requests there, e.g. via the mentoring alias on TDF side
>>
>> 2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate, for
>> the time being
>>
>> The decision will then also be announced and shared with the various
>> community mailing lists, to keep all the projects in the loop.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>> [1] Find the minutes at
>> https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/enpAg8Q93rwP_69yePZQnKFT
>>
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Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Franklin Weng]

Eike Rathke 於 2020/11/27 下午9:45 寫道:

Hi,

On Thursday, 2020-11-26 11:02:46 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:


1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git, for the time 
being

What exactly is meant here?
Would it be mirrored from the Collabora github repo but gerrit disabled
for it and no other write access?
Or freeze in the sense that it won't be updated at all and will become stale?


Even if the latter is not the original intention (but maybe it is for 
some people, who knows?), it will be like that after freezing.


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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Franklin Weng]

Simple answer:  freezing the LOOL repository gives a very strong 
negative message.


No matter what the alternative outcome will be, it will be better than 
watching the repo become stale, which is also some others' worries.



Franklin

Simon Phipps 於 2020/11/29 下午7:35 寫道:
Please will those voting against the proposal explain their reasoning 
and the alternative outcome they are supporting?


Thanks

Simon

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Florian Effenberger 
mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org>> 
wrote:


Hello,

last Friday, the board discussed about LibreOffice Online. [1] During
the call and in the discussions following, the request for a vote has
been expressed, which I am hereby posting to this list.

I start this here as a VOTE thread. For any discussions, please
reply in
the separate DISCUSS thread, which I will initiate as well.

The vote that has been proposed is the following:

1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git,
for the
time being

1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online
 mirror to
instead mirror the Collabora repo, for the time being, and make
sure we
catch pull requests there, e.g. via the mentoring alias on TDF side

2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate, for
the time being

The decision will then also be announced and shared with the various
community mailing lists, to keep all the projects in the loop.

Florian

[1] Find the minutes at
https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/enpAg8Q93rwP_69yePZQnKFT


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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Franklin Weng]

Not sure if my previous post was successfully posted or not, here use my
own email address to post again.  Sorry if you got duplicated posts.

Florian Effenberger  於 2020年11月26日 週四 18:03
寫道：

> Hello,
>
> last Friday, the board discussed about LibreOffice Online. [1] During
> the call and in the discussions following, the request for a vote has
> been expressed, which I am hereby posting to this list.
>
> I start this here as a VOTE thread. For any discussions, please reply in
> the separate DISCUSS thread, which I will initiate as well.
>
> The vote that has been proposed is the following:
>
> 1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git, for the
> time being
>

-1, disagree.


> 1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online mirror to
> instead mirror the Collabora repo, for the time being, and make sure we
> catch pull requests there, e.g. via the mentoring alias on TDF side
>

-1, disagree.


> 2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate, for
> the time being
>

-1, disagree.



Regards,
Franklin

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Simon Phipps]

Please will those voting against the proposal explain their reasoning and
the alternative outcome they are supporting?

Thanks

Simon

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 10:03 AM Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> last Friday, the board discussed about LibreOffice Online. [1] During
> the call and in the discussions following, the request for a vote has
> been expressed, which I am hereby posting to this list.
>
> I start this here as a VOTE thread. For any discussions, please reply in
> the separate DISCUSS thread, which I will initiate as well.
>
> The vote that has been proposed is the following:
>
> 1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git, for the
> time being
>
> 1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online mirror to
> instead mirror the Collabora repo, for the time being, and make sure we
> catch pull requests there, e.g. via the mentoring alias on TDF side
>
> 2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate, for
> the time being
>
> The decision will then also be announced and shared with the various
> community mailing lists, to keep all the projects in the loop.
>
> Florian
>
> [1] Find the minutes at
> https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/enpAg8Q93rwP_69yePZQnKFT
>
> --
> Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer)
> Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org
> The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
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回覆： [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Franklin Weng]

2020年11月26日 18:04:02 Florian Effenberger :

> Hello,
>
> parallel to the VOTE thread that has been posted to this list a minute ago, 
> here's the respective DISCUSS thread for questions.
>
>> The vote that has been proposed is the following:
>> 1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git, for the time 
>> being

-1, disagree.

>> 1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online mirror to instead 
>> mirror the Collabora repo, for the time being, and make sure we catch pull 
>> requests there, e.g. via the mentoring alias on TDF side

-1, disagree.


>> 2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate, for the 
>> time being

-1, disagree.

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Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Heiko Tietze]

On 26.11.20 11:02, Florian Effenberger wrote:
1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git, for the time 
being

+1

1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online mirror to instead 
mirror

0 (mirror COOL at LOOL might be confusing for volunteers)
+1 (if we could forward from LOOL to COOL)


2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate

+1/-1

I'm for a clear cut and a complete "outsourcing". What actually changes is the
location of the repository and the label (LOOL becomes COOL). We can bring back
Online at any point in time by "reforking".

Consequently, l10n for COOL would be a different effort. But since most strings
should be the same and translators probably don't want to create everything new,
the best in the interest of the l10n team might be to have some kind of shared
memory, if that's possible.

Nevertheless we should actively support COOL and encourage volunteers to
contribute to both projects. It's a matter of communication and marketing to let
users know that the front-end might be C'bra but it's actually LibreOffice what
they use. Workflow, artwork, look and feel should make users not only home at
both online and desktop but also show what part of the sister projects they are,
for example, reporting bugs.

Some remaining questions:
* How do we handle bug reports (BZ still has Online as project)?
* Will the LibreOffice help done by TDF also cover COOL (likely not)?
* Ask.LO is a convenient place for questions. Do we encourage people to provide
support for COOL there too? Would be hard to stop them, but is this a place for
LibreOffice question that occur when using COOL.
* Will extensions and templates work for both and do we host it?
* What actions do we take or request to make COOL being clearly a LibreOffice
product (need a better term here since it should be the same product and project
too)? For example, the about dialog tells me nothing right now but could be the
same as on desktop.
* Will TDF tender development for Online in the future?
* How do we advertise COOL (and expect the same from C'bra)?
* What are the expectation of C'bra to TDF? Could imagine not to build own LOOL
binaries first of all.


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Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] LibreOffice Online - repository and translations

[Heiko Tietze]

On 26.11.20 11:02, Florian Effenberger wrote:

1. to freeze (not delete) the "online" repository at TDF's git

+1


1b. to switch the https://github.com/libreoffice/online mirror

0


2. to freeze (not delete) the translations for online in Weblate

0


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