[board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla

2021-03-16 Thread Drew Jensen
I lied - this is really the last comment:

32Bit binary!
Why?

Of the half dozen versions of LibreOffice I pulled off the MS Store
this was the only one that showed up as 32bit - 64bit for all others
evern the CIB branded binary.

Sorry for the triple post

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 4:28 PM Drew Jensen  wrote:
>
> Sorry, but one more comment:
>
> On the MS Store listing it would be good to actually show how long the
> buyer will receive updates.
> I have in my notes that it is 18 mos, but that came IIRC from the ML
> and nowhere on the store listing is that spelled out, at least not
> that I can find.
>
> Thanks again
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:29 PM Drew Jensen  
> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I paid for LibreOffice Vanilla from the MS Store last July and I now
> > have a few comments and a question.
> >
> > I see reference in the application to making a donation to TDF.
> > Why would I do that (donate) after I already purchased a license?
> > (I also purchased LO powered by CIB and Collabora Office and neither
> > include these references to making a donation to TDF; why would LOV be
> > different? Because it cost $5 less?)
> >
> > It would be nice if somewhere, either at the MS Store listing or in
> > the application, if there was an actual link to a contact at the
> > publisher, ie CIB.
> >
> > Question; Last week TDF put out a statement that LibreOffice 7.0 is
> > now considered the proper release for all users. Can I assume that my
> > copy of LibreOffice Vanilla 6.4 will be upgraded to 7.0 shortly?
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Drew

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[board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla

2021-03-16 Thread Drew Jensen
Sorry, but one more comment:

On the MS Store listing it would be good to actually show how long the
buyer will receive updates.
I have in my notes that it is 18 mos, but that came IIRC from the ML
and nowhere on the store listing is that spelled out, at least not
that I can find.

Thanks again

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:29 PM Drew Jensen  wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> I paid for LibreOffice Vanilla from the MS Store last July and I now
> have a few comments and a question.
>
> I see reference in the application to making a donation to TDF.
> Why would I do that (donate) after I already purchased a license?
> (I also purchased LO powered by CIB and Collabora Office and neither
> include these references to making a donation to TDF; why would LOV be
> different? Because it cost $5 less?)
>
> It would be nice if somewhere, either at the MS Store listing or in
> the application, if there was an actual link to a contact at the
> publisher, ie CIB.
>
> Question; Last week TDF put out a statement that LibreOffice 7.0 is
> now considered the proper release for all users. Can I assume that my
> copy of LibreOffice Vanilla 6.4 will be upgraded to 7.0 shortly?
>
> Thank You
>
> Drew

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[board-discuss] Libreoffice Vanilla

2021-03-16 Thread Drew Jensen
Howdy,

I paid for LibreOffice Vanilla from the MS Store last July and I now
have a few comments and a question.

I see reference in the application to making a donation to TDF.
Why would I do that (donate) after I already purchased a license?
(I also purchased LO powered by CIB and Collabora Office and neither
include these references to making a donation to TDF; why would LOV be
different? Because it cost $5 less?)

It would be nice if somewhere, either at the MS Store listing or in
the application, if there was an actual link to a contact at the
publisher, ie CIB.

Question; Last week TDF put out a statement that LibreOffice 7.0 is
now considered the proper release for all users. Can I assume that my
copy of LibreOffice Vanilla 6.4 will be upgraded to 7.0 shortly?

Thank You

Drew

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[board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2021-03-12

2021-03-16 Thread Florian Effenberger

The Document Foundation
Board of Directors Meeting 2021-03-12
Meeting Minutes

Date: 2021-03-12
Location: Jitsi

Session chair: Lothar Becker
Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht

In the meeting:
Board - Emiliano Vavassori, Lothar Becker, Thorsten Behrens, 
Michael Meeks

Board Deputies - Paolo Vecchi, Nicolas Christener
Membership Committee - Muhammet Kara
Membership Committee Deputies - Uwe Altmann, Dennis Roczek, Shinji 
Enoki
Team - Sophie Gautier, Stephan Ficht, Guilhem Moulin, Florian 
Effenberger

Community -

Representation: Paolo for Daniel, Nicolas for Franklin

Chairman of the Board is in the meeting. One of the Chairman or Deputy 
Chairman is required to be present or represented for having a quorate call.


The Board of Directors at time of the call consists of 7 seat holders 
without deputies. In order to be quorate, the call needs to have 1/2 of 
the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 6 Board of 
Directors members are attending the call.


The board waives all formal statutory requirements, or requirements in 
the foundations articles, or other requirements regarding form and 
invitation, time limits, and for the topics discussed in this meeting.


The meeting is quorate and invitation happened in time. From now on, 
motions can be passed with the agreement of a simple majority of those 
remaining present. The majority threshold is currently 4.


The meeting commences at 13:03 Berlin time.

Public Part

1. Q: Answering Questions from the community (All, max. 10 min)
   Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions 
to the board and about TDF.

   + which appstores by business entity? (Dennis)
   + meaning per se or for the business entity proposal? (Lothar)
   + idea is to take over what is there Apple/Google/MS-stores (Thorsten)
+ potentially further venues
+ having some revenues to go further afterwards
   + a lot of places to put LO (Michael)
  + new entity doesn't have to do everything, or take over from 
volunteers

   + is there some concern or just by curiosity? (Thorsten)
+ just curious (Dennis)
+ taking over LO Vanilla to the appstores (Lothar)
+ confirm this is also in my proposal (Paolo)
+ can also cover future app stores, so no distinction
   + any thinking to provide apps for free? (Dennis)
  + in-app donations a good idea?
  + free and paid versions at the same time not allowed by app 
stores (Micahel)
+ would love to see clear data on effectiveness of in-app 
donation requests
+ may be useful to use in-app payment mechanisms, unclear; 
needs development

  + for-pay version - not mind if it continues for a while (Thorsten)
+ if engineering can be paid with ongoing revenue
+ turning that into something in-line with in-app
  donations could be interesting
+ does any of that block setting up a company ?
   + parallelize setting it up, everything takes time to do
  + understanding of Dennis' q.: is such a business entity needed 
or getting it done by TDF (Lothar)


2. Discuss: Business entity (Thorsten, Florian, all 10min)
  * Two existing proposals in 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/NeBWm25cd2LHyoq - Germany and 
Luxembourg

  * rescheduled after 4 weeks question and clarification, status of this
  * Question about ownership and mission/scope/rationale of business entity
  * Need to make some decision, one of the too proposals or can also be 
there's no entity in the next ~6-12 months
  * App stores: TDF's readiness wrt. tools and skills to provide, 
package and update app store binaries, plus documenting
  Rationale: We asked the public to send proposals, so let's discuss in 
public first. We can move to private if needed.

  + tax consultants contacted (Florian)
+ have 1-2 available, specialized in nonprofit and cross-country law
+ initial consultation offered for a fixed fee
  -> can take that with some board members
  + waiting for a phone appointment ~next week, on a related topic
  + had exchange with ministries (Paolo)
   + barrier of 1m turnover before filing more expensive accounts
   + ministry confirm it's ok for TDF to own this company.
   + concern was around not being able to send donations SIS -> TDF (Uwe)
  + should have an open way to transfer back to TDF
  + suggestion - to have 100% of the shares as a social purpose (Paolo)
+ this is what hinders giving money to TDF
+ they can do donations
+ asked this specifically in a meeting with the ministry
+ this is a special question (Uwe)
   + donations to owner of company is quite special
   + when SIS is not allowed to give money to the owners
+ question summary (Lothar)
   + if TDF is full owner of SIS, can it have get donations 
from it. (exchange of donations from SIS and its owner)

   + answer is yes (Paolo)
   + can try