Re: [board-discuss] Drafting Tender "Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance"

2021-11-03 Thread Michael Stahl

On 29.10.21 08:32, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

one of the approved [1] tenders is the

 Tender "Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance"

The board would like to work together in public with all of you on this 
tender before it gets officially published. The current draft is 
therefore shared at


 https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ggqpciBK54rztJi

The board is happy to get your feedback and proposals. We'd like to 
discuss this ideally in the board call after next, i.e. on Friday, 
November 19, at 1300 Berlin time. Please send your feedback to the 
public board-discuss@documentfoundation.org mailing list.


the scope of this is quite large and unclear... *required* items are:

1. ODFAutoTests: addressing issues will be difficult because as Regina 
points out the web service appears to be offline.
   IIRC it's possible to run the tests offline, but currently i guess 
nobody knows how much work it is to set that up and what problems would 
actually be found, so i guess this item mostly amounts to "get 
ODFAutoTests to run at all".


2. odf_validation:

* 37128 this is, errm, "interesting" problem and might take weeks to fix
* 96066 likely needs specification work
* 94768 cannot be solved with ODF 1.3, it needs specification work
* 106934 needs specification work, possibly it was already added for ODF 1.4
* 131127 might be fixable?
* 131148 needs specification work
* 131159 this was added for ODF 1.4
* 108198 export meta-bug depending on 26 unfixed bugs, wow...
* 94587 *import* meta-bug depending on 37 unfixed bugs
  - how does this have "odf_validation" keyword in the first place,
i thought that applied only to the export filter?
i would propose to remove "odf_validation" keyword and keep "odf".

... so i'm not sure what would make sense here, certainly *requiring* 
fixes of > 60 different bugs that are all over the map doesn't make 
sense to me, unless the board wants to spend the entire yearly budget...


maybe everything should be "optional" and then applicants can list which 
bugs they think are actually possible to fix given the current ODF 1.3 
specification?



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Re: [board-discuss] Drafting Tender "Text layout"

2021-11-03 Thread Miklos Vajna
Hi Florian, all,

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:30:37AM +0200, Florian Effenberger 
 wrote:
> one of the approved [1] tenders is the
> 
>   Tender "Text layout"
> 
> The board would like to work together in public with all of you on this
> tender before it gets officially published. The current draft is therefore
> shared at
> 
>   https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/43563WKN7pyNoMB
> 
> The board is happy to get your feedback and proposals. We'd like to discuss
> this ideally in the board call after next, i.e. on Friday, November 19, at
> 1300 Berlin time. Please send your feedback to the public
> board-discuss@documentfoundation.org mailing list.

Lubos did some work in this area in the recent past, and based on that
experience the expectation is that the referenced tdf#133685 is a
Windows-only problem (most of the time is spent in Windows API calls),
and thus unrelated to the "Text layout" topic.

Is it intentional to include that bug in the tender, even if it seems to
be an unrelated performance problem?

If not, then perhaps you could consider removing that from the scope.

Regards,

Miklos

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