Re: [board-discuss] Draft text: an "attic" proposal
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 07/01/2022 20:28: > Am 07.01.22 um 18:11 schrieb Cor Nouws: >> (...) >> I'd like to mention that one of TDF's main goal is to foster a >> sustainable developers community. (...) > > I'd recommend to read through paragraph 2 of the statutes. The goals of > TDF are written down there. Sorry for my rough summary, Andreas. I realized myself later, and corrected it in the other mail. Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Draft text: an "attic" proposal
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 07/01/2022 19:47: > Thank you for your valuable contribution Cor. > > On 07/01/2022 18:11, Cor Nouws wrote: >> To add to that: in the meeting where you proposed to change the >> situation, you expressed a clear conviction that other open source >> projects show that it is perfectly possible to have a similar paid >> product and a free product side by side, without breaking the economics. >> After it was suggested (among others by me) to come with good examples, >> solid plans, before breaking anything, you said you would do that. >> I'd like to mention that one of TDF's main goal is to foster a >> sustainable developers community. So any proposed change in the way of >> working, can of course only be considered if it comes with solid report >> on that subject. >> >> Still waiting... > I'm not sure why you say you are still waiting. It's easy to spend a lot of words that do not give a single insight on the question if your proposed changes are respecting the boards duty to foster a sustainable meritocratic community. Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Draft text: an "attic" proposal
Hi, Am 07.01.22 um 18:11 schrieb Cor Nouws: > (...) > I'd like to mention that one of TDF's main goal is to foster a > sustainable developers community. (...) I'd recommend to read through paragraph 2 of the statutes. The goals of TDF are written down there. I'd recommend all members of the board to follow this goals very closely and take care of TDF's assets and pay attention that they are not diluted or (partially) damaged. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Draft text: an "attic" proposal
Thank you for your valuable contribution Cor. On 07/01/2022 18:11, Cor Nouws wrote: To add to that: in the meeting where you proposed to change the situation, you expressed a clear conviction that other open source projects show that it is perfectly possible to have a similar paid product and a free product side by side, without breaking the economics. After it was suggested (among others by me) to come with good examples, solid plans, before breaking anything, you said you would do that. I'd like to mention that one of TDF's main goal is to foster a sustainable developers community. So any proposed change in the way of working, can of course only be considered if it comes with solid report on that subject. Still waiting... I'm not sure why you say you are still waiting. A long time has gone by and you may have forgotten a few details for which you will find confirmation in many emails and board meeting minutes. I didn't wait at the time and proposed, with full support from the board, to involve our marketing team to create the MarCom plan that has been running since then with, correct me if I'm wrong, also your contributions. I do fully understand, as I very clearly stated at the time, that LOOL should have been made available in a way that it would have been beneficial to the community without overlapping too much on the commercial interests of the major contributor of the project. Since then, negotiations to deliver LOOL to the community with the full board have been ongoing until, unfortunately, the other party decided to leave the negotiating table and forked the project. It is sadly too late for us to deliver LOOL to those in need during the early stages of the pandemic, as some of us wished, but there may at least be a chance of resuming talks with a valuable member of the ecosystem so that it can have an opportunity to fulfil its side of the agreement. Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Draft text: an "attic" proposal
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 07/01/2022 17:08: > Very brief summary of the events: > > Back in March 2020, other new board members and I, started making > enquiries in regards to why we weren't making available an up to date > LOOL to the community. We were clearly "advertising" LOOL on the website > ... To add to that: in the meeting where you proposed to change the situation, you expressed a clear conviction that other open source projects show that it is perfectly possible to have a similar paid product and a free product side by side, without breaking the economics. After it was suggested (among others by me) to come with good examples, solid plans, before breaking anything, you said you would do that. I'd like to mention that one of TDF's main goal is to foster a sustainable developers community. So any proposed change in the way of working, can of course only be considered if it comes with solid report on that subject. Still waiting... Cor (Possibly others may have time or interest to rebut other 'single side framed' details of your mail) -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Draft text: an "attic" proposal
Hi all, as I was a person directly involved in the process that should have given to the LibreOffice community a usable LibreOffice On-Line I think I should add my comments to this thread. Very brief summary of the events: Back in March 2020, other new board members and I, started making enquiries in regards to why we weren't making available an up to date LOOL to the community. We were clearly "advertising" LOOL on the website but it wasn't in a easily usable state and I strongly believed we had to do our part to help e.g. schools and non-profits coping with remote working when the pandemic started hitting hard. After all, TDF has been created for the public benefit, and in this new situation with the lockdown, what would have been more beneficial to the general public than to support pupils, students, volunteers in nonprofits by providing a platform and sharing our knowledge, based on Free and Open Source Software? This would have allowed our Foundation and us, as citizens, to perform our civic duty to help and it would also have had a positive marketing effect for the members of the ecosystem. Unfortunately that opportunity is now lost, mostly in favor of proprietary vendors which just consolidate their position. It's sad. It's a lost opportunity for TDF and for the ecosystem. As our enquiries weren't really answered I proposed a vote to get noticed. That finally got things in motion to evaluate the situation with LOOL, which in turn uncovered the understandable need the members of the ecosystem had for more visibility. To satisfy both needs in a fair way, work on the marketing plan was started, with the aim to satisfy everyone's interests. It's something we should have started much earlier. It was also an agreed precondition to release LOOL in a more usable way and up to date so that we could do our part in providing a free on-line platform e.g. for schools and other non-profits. Things seemed to be satisfactory for both Collabora and TDF, so both the marketing plan and the discussion to publish LOOL carried on until suddenly Collabora decided to announce the fork, just two weeks before our annual conference. We already put a lot of effort to create and execute on a marketing plan and spent months in negotiations for LOOL's release in a way that would satisfy the wider community, without damaging economically a valuable member of our ecosystem, but unfortunately one party didn't fulfil its side of the agreement. Collabora wrote most of the code, there seem to be no sizeable developers community around LOOL elsewhere and TDF has no internal developers to continue the development. This leaves us with two options: Collabora works with us on executing the marketing plan that includes LOOL, or members of the volunteer and enterprise community clearly state they want to work on a LOOL. If neither of those two options is actionable then we have to conclude that TDF has no LOOL to promote anymore, and it's another lost opportunity. Sadly, the temporary freeze announced in 2020 did not help to find a solution. Since the beginning of the fork Collabora didn't respond to requests to find a mutually benificial solution to the issue. Instead it put its efforts in removing tags related to the "LibreOffice Project" and even renamed variables from LOOL* to COOL*, clearly indicating that they are not interested in reviewing their decision, so eventual backports to the original project are even more complicated from both a technical and relational point of view. If in the next few months a small number of developers will express their interest to work on LOOL to fix bugs and/or take it in a different direction then it would make sense to re-open the repository. Closing it in my opinion was a mistake in the first place. It prevented people from contributing, so we don't even know if someone wanted to contribute, or if by now people just gave up. If in feedback is received by either Collabora or the community then we should officially declare LOOL as end of life and stop promoting it directly, stop allowing third parties to benefit from this specific brand as they did for a decade and review the marketing plan to remove references to LOOL or third party products derived from it. It is a real shame that a project which was presented during the 2011 LibreOffice Conference by a member of the community and supported by TDF over the years ended this way but at least it's a lesson learned that should help in: 1) Creating clear agreements with the projects we support/promote so that, even if a team/company writes the majority of the code, we will have clear indications of the benefits we can together bring to the community and the relevant expectations from both sides. 2) Making it very clear to current and future members of the commercial ecosystem that "The objective of the foundation is the promotion and development of office software
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
I, Cor Nouws, elected director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Cor Nouws Ich, Cor Nouws, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Cor Nouws Marina Latini wrote on 07/01/2022 00:10: > Dear Cor Nouws, > > let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate you for > having been elected as member of the board. Then I kindly invite you to > officially accept your position in the board by answering to this > message with a "Reply to all". > > On behalf of the Membership Committee, > Marina Latini -- Cor Nouws, member Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 mobile : +31 (0)6 25 20 7001 skype : cornouws blog: cor4office-nl.blogspot.com jabber : cor4off...@jabber.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
I, Gabriel Masei, elected deputy director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Gabriel Masei Ich, Gabriel Masei, gewähltes Ersatzmitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Gabriel Masei = Gabriel Masei Senior C/C++ Developer, Free Products Development Romania Phone: +40 31 223 90 62 Mobile: +40 721 934 131 gabriel.ma...@1and1.ro 1&1 Internet Development Romania SRL Sky Tower, 246C Calea Floreasca, 13th Floor, 014476, RO Bucharest From: Marina Latini Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 1:11 AM To: Gabriel Masei Cc: Board Discuss Subject: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors Dear Gabriel Masei, let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate you for having been elected as deputy member of the board. Then I kindly invite you to officially accept your position in the board by answering to this message with a "Reply to all". On behalf of the Membership Committee, Marina Latini I, Gabriel Masei, elected deputy director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Gabriel Masei Ich, Gabriel Masei, gewähltes Ersatzmitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Gabriel Masei -- Marina Latini, Chairperson of the Membership Committee Tel: +39 3497482812 | IRC: deneb_alpha on LiberaChat The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
I, Ayhan Yalçınsoy, elected deputy director of the board of The DocumentFoundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichenRechts. My term will start February 18, 2022.Signed: Ayhan YalçınsoyIch, Ayhan Yalçınsoy, gewähltes Ersatzmitglied des Vorstands der TheDocument Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichenRechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022.Unterzeichnet: Ayhan Yalçınsoy02:11, 7 Ocak 2022, Marina Latini :Dear Ayhan Yalçınsoy,let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate you for having been elected as deputy member of the board. Then I kindly invite you to officially accept your position in the board by answering to this message with a "Reply to all".On behalf of the Membership Committee,Marina LatiniI, Ayhan Yalçınsoy, elected deputy director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022.Signed: Ayhan YalçınsoyIch, Ayhan Yalçınsoy, gewähltes Ersatzmitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022.Unterzeichnet: Ayhan Yalçınsoy-- Marina Latini, Chairperson of the Membership CommitteeTel: +39 3497482812 | IRC: deneb_alpha on LiberaChatThe Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprintDr. Ayhan Yalçınsoy (PhD)Management and Organization+90 507 231 57 79Pisi Linux DeveloperLibreoffice TranslatorN§²æìr¸yé[hn«uجrë,úéì¹» ®&Þv.éí~§u«b¢z+úènW¦²m¦Ïÿà %ºÞ¡÷âqê+ø ¶¥§ùX§X¬¶Ïᣠhº{.nÇ+·¿>-x º'^)Þ³é¨èm¶?ÿ¤Ú ºg§µú.Öè®Ízت¹ëmx¸¬µªÜ+ÞÛi³ÿåËZÈb½ë ¡Ë¦z{_¢éÝjبàÿ 0ýº×b±Ë¬³óëöÈú%Ì¡¶Úlÿü0ÁÚ ºg§µú.Öè®é®+Ús
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
Dear Marina, all, I, Jan Holešovský, elected director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Jan Holešovský Ich, Jan Holešovský, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Jan Holešovský -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 00:10 +0100, Marina Latini wrote: > Dear Caolán McNamara, > > let me first take this opportunity to personally congratulate you for > having been elected as member of the board. Then I kindly invite you > to officially accept your position in the board by answering to this > message with a "Reply to all". > > On behalf of the Membership Committee, > Marina Latini > > > > I, Caolán McNamara, elected director of the board of The Document > Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung > bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. > > Signed: Caolán McNamara > > > Ich, Caolán McNamara, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der The > Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung > bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. > > Unterzeichnet: Caolán McNamara > I accept -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
I, Emiliano Vavassori, elected director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Emiliano Vavassori Ich, Emiliano Vavassori, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Emiliano Vavassori -- Emiliano Vavassori syntaxerror...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
I, Gábor Kelemen, elected deputy director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Gábor Kelemen Ich, Gábor Kelemen, gewähltes Ersatzmitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Gábor Kelemen OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Acceptance of role in the Board of Directors
I, Paolo Vecchi, elected director of the board of The Document Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts. My term will start February 18, 2022. Signed: Paolo Vecchi Ich, Paolo Vecchi, gewähltes Mitglied des Vorstands der The Document Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2022. Unterzeichnet: Paolo Vecchi OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
