Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hi, Thorsten Behrens wrote on 2013-02-12 15:40: Even more specifically, development build hardware. For the gerrit/jenkins setup, we need a (small) build farm. ok, I have added 8.000 € budget proposal for development hardware onto the budget in WebDAV, which is used as basis for my regular mailings. :) Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-02-13 17:29: Regarding the build farm how many Linux machines are we looking for. I am running some tests and I am on a virtual server provider called linode. I am building on their 512mb virtual private servers and they are quite quick and 16 euros a month. the initial proposal is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/board-discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg02815.html Let's move the technical discussion onto the website lists, where it's better suited, IMHO. Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
For the windows stuff has amazon's ec2 been considered? On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, Thorsten Behrens wrote on 2013-01-29 18:25: In total, the request would be, for 2013, a budget of ** 8.000,00 € ** for this setup (plan is to start with one EX4 and then ramp it up, thus we don't incur the full cost in the first months). because installing your own Windows with Hetzner is a tedious if not impossible task, or you have to rent expensive licenses, we are evaluating various options right now. Norbert is currently working on a donated machine to see if we can virtualize everything and if that particular machine can be used. There's also another sponsor offer available that might work out. Therefore, I propose we hold off from this for the moment, and request a new budget when required. Given we have approx. 30.000 € unallocated for the 2013 planning, this should work out. Well, in the request above there was also 1/ a couple of these EX2 to be use for linux gerrit buildboxing 2/ budget to get a Mac to do release on a TDF owned and controlled box, which will also help for builbot when not doing release build. (on top of the 2 I already provide) These two should still move along... Beside, I would ask that the above budget be 'reserved' until the situation clarify. if we find way to do it cheaper great... but I would not want to be stuck until next year because everything has been spent already, nor would I like for us to have to dig in the reserve for that predictable and anticipated need. Norbert -- Jonathan Aquilina
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-02-10 07:55: I think something else that needs to be considered is the virtualization platform, there is xen kvm etc each offering their own benefits. virtualization is part of the next infra platform due in summer or fall, but was specifically not asked for the buildbots in order to not waste resources, so... But let's move those technical discussions over to the website list. Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hi, Tom Davies wrote on 2013-02-10 11:20: I thought the request for Windows machines was for desktop machines for testing and building purposes? I thought that's why they requested bare-metal rather than virtualised? I guess this is a separate request? no, the request is for buildbots, i.e. Windows servers for compiling LibreOffice on. Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2013-02-08 19:37: Then we need to find another provider. so, as explained offlist, it's not a legal issue per se, but rather a technical one - how can I get Windows installed out of a running Linux box when I don't have physical access to the machine (for USB or DVD). Hetzner does not install your own licenses. I'll check with my admin colleagues if there's a solution, otherwise we need to find another hoster for those boxes. (Although I am really scared of having a Windows 7 box directly connected to the Internet, but that's a different story...) Florian
RE: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hetzner will allow you to rent a kvm over ip for 25 euros per use to do those installations yourself. -Original Message- From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:33 AM To: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request Hi, Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2013-02-08 19:37: Then we need to find another provider. so, as explained offlist, it's not a legal issue per se, but rather a technical one - how can I get Windows installed out of a running Linux box when I don't have physical access to the machine (for USB or DVD). Hetzner does not install your own licenses. I'll check with my admin colleagues if there's a solution, otherwise we need to find another hoster for those boxes. (Although I am really scared of having a Windows 7 box directly connected to the Internet, but that's a different story...) Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Thorsten Behrens wrote on 2013-01-29 18:25: We looked into some offers, and it seems e.g. Hetzner's EX4 is economical in terms of spec/price ratio http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4 , and goes for 49.00 € / month including VAT. [..] In total, the request would be, for 2013, a budget of ** 8.000,00 € ** for this setup (plan is to start with one EX4 and then ramp it up, thus we don't incur the full cost in the first months). Is a Gigabit connection required for the machines? I doubt, but wanted to clarify, since that would add 39 € per month per machine. No Plus, dues the above sum take into account the fee of a Windows Server license for those machines? Since we cannot bootstrap this on our own (i.e. cannot install a separatedly bought Windows license), and virtualization is not desired, we need to take Hetzner's offer here, which costs 15 € per month for web edition and 25 € per month for standard edition. Then we need to find another provider. Norbert
