Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Paolo Vecchi]

Hi Simon,

as you may know I do fully agree that there should be much more 
transparency and that there is no need to keep private who voted on what 
except in some very rare cases.


It's probably no secret that I'm not happy at all about the whole 
budgeting process.
I voted on the general idea of the budget but not to confirm the 
specific items as I agree we need to define a budget I think the methods 
used to get stuff in the ranking has room for improvement.


I find it very odd that the same people that propose tenders are also in 
the board voting for them in the budget and then they end up bidding for 
them.
This is something that we should change very quickly and this should 
affect the current budget down the line even if we approve a rough idea 
of spending.


I would also say that the project nad tenders approved for the budget 
2022 should be published in full, with relative costing, so that all can 
see how much we plan to spend on each items allowing the community to 
let us know if they agree with those items and costing.


I tried to find the spreadsheet with the votes from the members of the 
ESC to see how the ranking has been done but it seems like it's a 
"secret", as you like to say, as it hasn't yet been shared with the board.


The costing issue seems to be recognised by the commercial contributors 
represented in the ESC which finds it too expensive to provide detailed 
quotes for the tenders they'll bid on so it seems like we have a budget 
that doesn't really represent reality:


https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2021-November/088035.html

I also think it's a bit unfair that only 2 commercial contributors are 
fully aware of the expected cost of a tender, as they proposed it, while 
potential external bidders that have no representatives in the ESC or 
the board won't know what to expect in terms of reward for their 
efforts. So or we make those very rough idea of costing available to all 
or we use the in-house developers to give us an rough ideas of what we 
should spend, I guess as rough as the one we are getting from the 
commercial contributors, and we don't disclose the budgeted cost for 
each item to members of the ESC/Board.


To conclude I welcome your call for more transparency and please do ask 
for more if things are not clear.


Ciao

Paolo




On 01/04/2022 11:30, Simon Phipps wrote:
Super, thanks for adding that header to the minutes - it helps 
enormously with understanding who is involved in decisions! Would it 
be possible to get this information with every secret item that is 
made public from now on please?


Cheers

Simon

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 10:04 AM Florian Effenberger 
 wrote:


Hello Andreas, Hello Simon,

Andreas Mantke wrote on 01.04.22 at 09:52:

> I'm not Simon, but I'm curious why your answer contains no
information
> about the participants of this private part of the meeting.
Maybe this
> is not a top secret thing and you could add this information here.

here's the list of participants:

Session chair: Thorsten Behrens
Keeper of the minutes: Florian Effenberger

In the meeting:
     Board Members - Thorsten, Cor, Laszlo, Kendy, Paolo, Emiliano
     Board Deputy Members - Ayhan, Gabor, Gabriel
     Team - Florian

Representation: Gabor for Caolan

The Board of Directors at time of the call consists of 7 seat holders
without deputies. In order to be quorate, the call needs to have
1/2 of
the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 7 Board of
Directors members are attending or represented in the call.

The board waives all formal statutory requirements, or
requirements in
the foundations articles, or other requirements regarding form and
invitation, time limits, and for the topics discussed in this meeting.

The meeting is quorate and invitation happened in time. From now on,
motions can be passed with the agreement of a simple majority of
those
remaining present. The majority threshold is currently 4.

Florian

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Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Simon Phipps]

Super, thanks for adding that header to the minutes - it helps enormously
with understanding who is involved in decisions! Would it be possible to
get this information with every secret item that is made public from now on
please?

Cheers

Simon

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 10:04 AM Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello Andreas, Hello Simon,
>
> Andreas Mantke wrote on 01.04.22 at 09:52:
>
> > I'm not Simon, but I'm curious why your answer contains no information
> > about the participants of this private part of the meeting. Maybe this
> > is not a top secret thing and you could add this information here.
>
> here's the list of participants:
>
> Session chair: Thorsten Behrens
> Keeper of the minutes: Florian Effenberger
>
> In the meeting:
>  Board Members - Thorsten, Cor, Laszlo, Kendy, Paolo, Emiliano
>  Board Deputy Members - Ayhan, Gabor, Gabriel
>  Team - Florian
>
> Representation: Gabor for Caolan
>
> The Board of Directors at time of the call consists of 7 seat holders
> without deputies. In order to be quorate, the call needs to have 1/2 of
> the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 7 Board of
> Directors members are attending or represented in the call.
>
> The board waives all formal statutory requirements, or requirements in
> the foundations articles, or other requirements regarding form and
> invitation, time limits, and for the topics discussed in this meeting.
>
> The meeting is quorate and invitation happened in time. From now on,
> motions can be passed with the agreement of a simple majority of those
> remaining present. The majority threshold is currently 4.
>
> Florian
>
> --
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Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello Andreas, Hello Simon,

Andreas Mantke wrote on 01.04.22 at 09:52:

I'm not Simon, but I'm curious why your answer contains no information 
about the participants of this private part of the meeting. Maybe this 
is not a top secret thing and you could add this information here.


here's the list of participants:

Session chair: Thorsten Behrens
Keeper of the minutes: Florian Effenberger

In the meeting:
Board Members - Thorsten, Cor, Laszlo, Kendy, Paolo, Emiliano
Board Deputy Members - Ayhan, Gabor, Gabriel
Team - Florian

Representation: Gabor for Caolan

The Board of Directors at time of the call consists of 7 seat holders 
without deputies. In order to be quorate, the call needs to have 1/2 of 
the Board of Directors members, which gives 4. A total of 7 Board of 
Directors members are attending or represented in the call.


The board waives all formal statutory requirements, or requirements in 
the foundations articles, or other requirements regarding form and 
invitation, time limits, and for the topics discussed in this meeting.


The meeting is quorate and invitation happened in time. From now on, 
motions can be passed with the agreement of a simple majority of those 
remaining present. The majority threshold is currently 4.


Florian

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Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Andreas Mantke]

Hi Thorsten, all,

I'm not Simon, but I'm curious why your answer contains no information about 
the participants of this private part of the meeting. Maybe this is not a top 
secret thing and you could add this information here.

Regards,
Andreas 

Am 1. April 2022 00:04:52 MESZ schrieb Thorsten Behrens 
:
>Hi Simon, all,
>
>Simon Phipps wrote:
>> Can you tell is the voting details please?
>> 
>The vote on the budget was unanimous, among the board members present.
>
>Best,
>
>-- Thorsten

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Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Thorsten Behrens]

Hi Simon, all,

Simon Phipps wrote:
> Can you tell is the voting details please?
> 
The vote on the budget was unanimous, among the board members present.

Best,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Simon Phipps]

Can you tell is the voting details please?

Thanks

Simon

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 18:36 Florian Effenberger, <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> find below a summary of the preliminary budget that the Board of
> Directors agreed on 2022-03-28. It is now made public in accordance with
> our statutes.
>
> Recurring: 901.444,52 €
>
>Salaries and compensations 694.840,88 €
>Accounting and legal advice 32.603,64 €
>Running cost & discretionary spending 25.000,00 €
>Trainings 5.000,00 €
>Infrastructure 74.000,00 €
>LibOCon & FOSDEM 30.000,00 €
>Community projects 20.000,00 €
>Marketing budget 20.000,00 €
>
>
> Pending projects (as of January 1):
> cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2021
>
>Various tenders 414.053,54 €
> Streamline tendering process
> Text layout
> Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance
> Rolling Release: Finish MAR-based autoupdater for Windows
> C++ accessibility tests
> MC request: Improvements on the Membership Committee tooling
> Improve the accessibility checker for PDF/UA
> Support for Editing and Creation of SmartArt
> Convert Impress slideshow to drawinglayer primitives
> Writer tables: support cell margins (next to cell padding)
>
>Campus programme for student ambassadors 12.000,00 €
>MC request: TDF welcome kit for the members 2.000,00 €
>statutory auditor/chartered accountant 5.000,00 €
>
>
> New projects:
> cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022
>
>Various tenders 400.000 €
> [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Merge RGB and A layer into one
> [ESC] Stabilize cross-page table layouting
> [ESC] Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from
> imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
> [ESC] Font subsetter for font embedding
> [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Use a native format/depth
> [ESC] ODT export nondeterminism
> [ESC] Remove/Replace usages of XOR-Paint
> [ESC] Table Styles improvements
> [ESC] Fix accessibility issues
> [ESC] Unify Writer and Draw Images
> [ESC] Decouple master slide and layouts
> [ESC] Multi-color gradient
> [ESC] Look-ahead styleref field for Writer
> [ESC] GraphicFilter clean-up
> [ESC] UNO API changes subscription/feedback channel
> [ESC] Regular scan-build reports like we do with CppCheck
> [ESC] Normalized spell checking
> [ESC] Missing ODF Features: Concentric gradient fill of custom-shapes
> [ESC] Bridge the gap between drawinglayer and VCL
> [ESC] XLSX Aggressive Competitors tracker: gridlines for 3d line charts
>
>Various contracts and tenders 100.600 €
> Contract Weblate to sort out issues pointed out by the l10n community
> Hire 1 x New QA analyst
> part-time web technology expert
> Update & translate LibreLogo manual, complete LibreLogo unit tests
> Decidim startup
>
>[MC] Carbon compensation 3.750,00 €
>2-4% budget to FLOSS software as devprojects or support (incl. 2021
> leftover) 27.265 €
>
> Florian
>
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[board-discuss] Preliminary budget for 2022

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

find below a summary of the preliminary budget that the Board of 
Directors agreed on 2022-03-28. It is now made public in accordance with 
our statutes.


Recurring: 901.444,52 €

  Salaries and compensations 694.840,88 €
  Accounting and legal advice 32.603,64 €
  Running cost & discretionary spending 25.000,00 €
  Trainings 5.000,00 €
  Infrastructure 74.000,00 €
  LibOCon & FOSDEM 30.000,00 €
  Community projects 20.000,00 €
  Marketing budget 20.000,00 €


Pending projects (as of January 1):
cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2021

  Various tenders 414.053,54 €
   Streamline tendering process
   Text layout
   Cleanup & further improve ODF conformance
   Rolling Release: Finish MAR-based autoupdater for Windows
   C++ accessibility tests
   MC request: Improvements on the Membership Committee tooling
   Improve the accessibility checker for PDF/UA
   Support for Editing and Creation of SmartArt
   Convert Impress slideshow to drawinglayer primitives
   Writer tables: support cell margins (next to cell padding)

  Campus programme for student ambassadors 12.000,00 €
  MC request: TDF welcome kit for the members 2.000,00 €
  statutory auditor/chartered accountant 5.000,00 €


New projects:
cf. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2022

  Various tenders 400.000 €
   [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Merge RGB and A layer into one
   [ESC] Stabilize cross-page table layouting
   [ESC] Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from 
imported PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving

   [ESC] Font subsetter for font embedding
   [ESC] Bitmaps in vcl: Use a native format/depth
   [ESC] ODT export nondeterminism
   [ESC] Remove/Replace usages of XOR-Paint
   [ESC] Table Styles improvements
   [ESC] Fix accessibility issues
   [ESC] Unify Writer and Draw Images
   [ESC] Decouple master slide and layouts
   [ESC] Multi-color gradient
   [ESC] Look-ahead styleref field for Writer
   [ESC] GraphicFilter clean-up
   [ESC] UNO API changes subscription/feedback channel
   [ESC] Regular scan-build reports like we do with CppCheck
   [ESC] Normalized spell checking
   [ESC] Missing ODF Features: Concentric gradient fill of custom-shapes
   [ESC] Bridge the gap between drawinglayer and VCL
   [ESC] XLSX Aggressive Competitors tracker: gridlines for 3d line charts

  Various contracts and tenders 100.600 €
   Contract Weblate to sort out issues pointed out by the l10n community
   Hire 1 x New QA analyst
   part-time web technology expert
   Update & translate LibreLogo manual, complete LibreLogo unit tests
   Decidim startup

  [MC] Carbon compensation 3.750,00 €
  2-4% budget to FLOSS software as devprojects or support (incl. 2021 
leftover) 27.265 €


Florian

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