Re: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Charles, :-) On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 05:54, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > David, can you please resend that email you were referring to? > > Charles. I sent it again to your documentfoundation.org address. ;-) Look for "Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-website] Website status". Merry Christmas Day to you all! ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi We are still getting a lot of traffic in here about the website and i really think we need to avoid every group micro-managing every other group. People can easily join 2 or more lists to stay updated on different groups. David quite properly sent the email he was referring to to the website mailing list. However once the website change was completed the announcement to the steering group was spot-on and good to see. Happy christmas all btw ;) Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 24 December, 2010 21:54:47 Subject: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status David, can you please resend that email you were referring to? Charles. Le 24 déc. 2010, 8:11 AM, "David Nelson" a écrit : Hi Italo, all, :-) I'm very happy to see the site launched. A really big thanks to Christian for making that happen. :-) It currently looks like I might get a go-ahead to work on a really great new theme for the site with Nikash Singh, to be ready by the early days of the New Year... So there's still more work to do, but the site could look really Web 2.0 and good. I'm waiting for a response about that from Florian, Christoph and Charles in a mail that's awaiting their urgent attention in their mailboxes. ;-) Italo, as a key player in marketing, I created an account for you on the site. I mailed you your password, etc. I can tutor you online concerning working on content, if you like, via Skype. Just buzz me if you want that. Until then, you *might* like to submit me any content you want published, until such time as the SC takes decisions about editorial organization, etc. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgList archive: ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
David, can you please resend that email you were referring to? Charles. Le 24 déc. 2010, 8:11 AM, "David Nelson" a écrit : Hi Italo, all, :-) I'm very happy to see the site launched. A really big thanks to Christian for making that happen. :-) It currently looks like I might get a go-ahead to work on a really great new theme for the site with Nikash Singh, to be ready by the early days of the New Year... So there's still more work to do, but the site could look really Web 2.0 and good. I'm waiting for a response about that from Florian, Christoph and Charles in a mail that's awaiting their urgent attention in their mailboxes. ;-) Italo, as a key player in marketing, I created an account for you on the site. I mailed you your password, etc. I can tutor you online concerning working on content, if you like, via Skype. Just buzz me if you want that. Until then, you *might* like to submit me any content you want published, until such time as the SC takes decisions about editorial organization, etc. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgList archive: ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Italo, all, :-) I'm very happy to see the site launched. A really big thanks to Christian for making that happen. :-) It currently looks like I might get a go-ahead to work on a really great new theme for the site with Nikash Singh, to be ready by the early days of the New Year... So there's still more work to do, but the site could look really Web 2.0 and good. I'm waiting for a response about that from Florian, Christoph and Charles in a mail that's awaiting their urgent attention in their mailboxes. ;-) Italo, as a key player in marketing, I created an account for you on the site. I mailed you your password, etc. I can tutor you online concerning working on content, if you like, via Skype. Just buzz me if you want that. Until then, you *might* like to submit me any content you want published, until such time as the SC takes decisions about editorial organization, etc. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
On 12/22/2010 01:54 AM, David Nelson wrote: I hope you understand my position, guys. ;-) David, you've really done an outstanding job, and I've not been able to support you as much as I would have liked to (but I have been killed by my work burden). If you need some help I am available next week, as I'm at home resting as much as I can before another year of duty. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Christian, David, all! Am Freitag, den 24.12.2010, 02:10 +0100 schrieb Christian Lohmaier: > > Maybe you're right. We'll have a think about it over Christmas, > > because it looks like the site won't roll out until January. > > Ho ho ho :-) Santa has a present for you :-) - site is live - yay :-) A lot of thanks - to all the people who participated :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, *; On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:25 PM, David Nelson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 18:33, Tom Davies wrote: > > It's a .png. I did all the other screenshots as high-quality .jpg > files because they are half to a third of the size, but the site's > lead admin prefers .png because of resizing considerations. That was a misunderstanding then. I wrote for origininal size screenshots, png is almost everytime superior to jpeg. But the more you resize, the more "fuzz" is added to the image, jpeg then provides better compression. So to summarize: * png for real-size screenshots, never jpeg (unless the screenshots shows draw showing a photograph or similar) * jpeg is OK for thumbnails, resized screenshots > Maybe you're right. We'll have a think about it over Christmas, > because it looks like the site won't roll out until January. Ho ho ho :-) Santa has a present for you :-) - site is live - yay :-) > [...] Merry Christmas to everyone :-) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi, :-) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 09:42, Christoph Noack wrote: > thanks for your mail ... I think the best thing is to also forward it to > the Design team list, and to him (BCC). Let's see how it evolves :-) Sure. I just hope we manage to take a fast decision about this, and *get it done* without too much futzing around. :-D David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, thanks for your mail ... I think the best thing is to also forward it to the Design team list, and to him (BCC). Let's see how it evolves :-) And to all: Sorry for constantly spamming multiple lists at the same time - the remaining work should be done on one list only. Cheers, Christoph Am Donnerstag, den 23.12.2010, 09:34 +0800 schrieb David Nelson: > Hi, :-) > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 08:58, Christoph Noack wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > just for the record - there has been another proposal for a menu and the > > front page of the new website. > > > > Some of you might know Nikash, who already worked within the OOo days on > > designs - and usually they are simply great :-) However, he wrote a very > > kind mail, proposed some changes, and published a website mockup: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00217.html > > I think it looks really good [1]. > > As a secondary project, the basic > design could also easily be adapted for the wiki and > documentfoundation.org (nabble, too?), using the same > design with other colors from the marketing color scheme. > > I've got SSH access to work on a sandbox at pumbaa.ooodev.org > (http://188.40.32.145:7780/), so we could implement the design as a > SilverStripe theme there, and Christian could move it across to the > upcoming libreoffice.org site when ready. > > I'll be happy to collaborate with him out with the theme > implementation aspect, and to do the necessary content adaptation / > design to fit in with it. > > @Christoph, it sounds like you're agreeable to the idea. > > @Bernard: you too? > > @christian: you too? > > If so, when can we give Nik a green light to start work? ;-) > > [1] > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik#Interim_Website_Design_proposals > > David Nelson > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi, :-) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 08:58, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi all, > > just for the record - there has been another proposal for a menu and the > front page of the new website. > > Some of you might know Nikash, who already worked within the OOo days on > designs - and usually they are simply great :-) However, he wrote a very > kind mail, proposed some changes, and published a website mockup: > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00217.html I think it looks really good [1]. As a secondary project, the basic design could also easily be adapted for the wiki and documentfoundation.org (nabble, too?), using the same design with other colors from the marketing color scheme. I've got SSH access to work on a sandbox at pumbaa.ooodev.org (http://188.40.32.145:7780/), so we could implement the design as a SilverStripe theme there, and Christian could move it across to the upcoming libreoffice.org site when ready. I'll be happy to collaborate with him out with the theme implementation aspect, and to do the necessary content adaptation / design to fit in with it. @Christoph, it sounds like you're agreeable to the idea. @Bernard: you too? @christian: you too? If so, when can we give Nik a green light to start work? ;-) [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik#Interim_Website_Design_proposals David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi all, just for the record - there has been another proposal for a menu and the front page of the new website. Some of you might know Nikash, who already worked within the OOo days on designs - and usually they are simply great :-) However, he wrote a very kind mail, proposed some changes, and published a website mockup: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00217.html Cheers, Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 12:24 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > Hi Tom! > > Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 10:33 + schrieb Tom Davies: > > Hi David :) > > > > I prefer > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and > > seems > > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on > > Well, there is no "the people" ... there are people having different > requirements and living/working in different environments. Some guys > want to have in-depth information in advance, some consume basic > information and just want to give things a try. > > Thus, it is not about hiding information, but to provide it step-by-step > - managing the concept what people can grasp. That is why I think that > we miss the requirements of quite some users at the moment ... > > > > http://test.libreoffice.org > > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple > > of > > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' > > complicated. > > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? > > Same for me ... > > > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > > information. [...] > > > > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the > > download. > > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away > > or > > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. > > Yep. > > > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is > > closest to > > completion whichever one that is. > > I'd say ... whatever helps us to satisfy the needs of the majority of > our users. So even if it might take some additional work, it seems worth > the effort. > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted > > nowadays > > Sorry to hear that :-\ > > Cheers, > Christoph > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David :) Thanks :) I have a very specific agenda at the moment and got side-tracked by the website issue because of the sites i work on. The ones here look great. Images I really dislike jpgs because of the distortions they go through in editing. Png seems to get much less errors in compression and allows transparency and animation (obviously) and it's not a proprietary format but it is large. I tend to keep originals in png or high-quality jpg. Gif is very light-weight better for websites and is usually best for logos but its colour-range and other limitations means it can't always be used. With Gimp it is usually quite fast to "Save As.. " png first and then as gif so that you can fall-back on the png if the gif goes pixellated or weird. I hesitate to show the site i work on because my bosses actually prefer some very clunky and nasty things and i still haven't quite worked out how to sort templates in joomla so that article pages are restricted into the page defined in the template. They are fun to work with and a very noble & worthy cause tho :) http://www.cecf.co.uk Hmm, now you wont respect me lol. My criticisms of that site would fill volumes. Regards from Tom :) From: David Nelson To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 11:25:27 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi Tom, :-) It was an interesting and thoughtful perspective, and thank you for taking the time to recount it. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 18:33, Tom Davies wrote: > I prefer > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and >seems > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on Well, that is the way we'll probably go. This content was an "emergency job" intended to allow the site to be launched, and everything will be up for review. > http://test.libreoffice.org > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? It's a .png. I did all the other screenshots as high-quality .jpg files because they are half to a third of the size, but the site's lead admin prefers .png because of resizing considerations. > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > information. We see pictures of smart people in suits looking at a flashy > computer. We see pictures of grannies leaning over toddlers both engaged with > whatever is going on on a more sensible looking computer. We see a young > attractive 'housewife' sitting on over-large creamy coloured sofa either posing > sexily or demurely (or both) and looking at a flashy laptop. If we ever see >the > screen then there is some simple pie-chart of bar-graph or sometimes they risk > showing a line-graph (for business users). Maybe you're right. We'll have a think about it over Christmas, because it looks like the site won't roll out until January. > Personally i do like the narrower format because i have not yet followed > 'everyone else' to widescreen. Also for me personally (probably fairly > typically for a linux user) i do prefer having useful information right there > fast without having to dig around for it and the picture is what i personally > like as a linux-user because it show me useful stuff. The info was well > written, compelling and succinct, telling me exactly the sorts of things that > people ask whenever they find me using OpenOffice (one that still has the Sun > logo). However, while it may be great for existing linux-users we are not > typical of the general population out-there that we need to reach. Well, where I live, very few people have wide screens. So what you say in that respect is an important consideration. I'm glad you liked the content. Maybe I'll just move it off the front page to another location, as you suggest. > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away or > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. See above... > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest >to > completion whichever one that is. There are actually going to be two sites. One for LibreOffice, the software, and one for The Document Foundation, the "umbrella organization" fostering the project. > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays Your thou
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi, :-) On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 18:33, Tom Davies wrote: > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays My favorite cartoon is Dilbert [1] ... At least one knows one isn't alone in one's views. ;-D [1] http://dilbert.com/register/ David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi :) I think it is more important to tantalise our target market, to get them keen to try it. Satisfying people is unhelpful as we need people motivated rather than complacent. Curiosity enticed me into trying Linux and then outrage at the realisation of the amount of time wasted for me by MicroSquish systems (that are designed to be vulnerable and difficult to fix) encouraged me to stay. The question is how can we encourage others to try OpenSource? Perhaps a similar route to mine or a different one per person. How do other products market themselves? Our/your product is better but how do we get people to want to try it? Regards from Tom :) From: Christoph Noack To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 11:24:34 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi Tom! Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 10:33 + schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi David :) > > I prefer > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and >seems > > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on Well, there is no "the people" ... there are people having different requirements and living/working in different environments. Some guys want to have in-depth information in advance, some consume basic information and just want to give things a try. Thus, it is not about hiding information, but to provide it step-by-step - managing the concept what people can grasp. That is why I think that we miss the requirements of quite some users at the moment ... > http://test.libreoffice.org > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. > > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? Same for me ... > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > information. [...] > > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. > > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away > or > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. Yep. > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest >to > > completion whichever one that is. I'd say ... whatever helps us to satisfy the needs of the majority of our users. So even if it might take some additional work, it seems worth the effort. > Regards from > Tom :) > > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays Sorry to hear that :-\ Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Tom, :-) It was an interesting and thoughtful perspective, and thank you for taking the time to recount it. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 18:33, Tom Davies wrote: > I prefer > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and > seems > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on Well, that is the way we'll probably go. This content was an "emergency job" intended to allow the site to be launched, and everything will be up for review. > http://test.libreoffice.org > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? It's a .png. I did all the other screenshots as high-quality .jpg files because they are half to a third of the size, but the site's lead admin prefers .png because of resizing considerations. > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > information. We see pictures of smart people in suits looking at a flashy > computer. We see pictures of grannies leaning over toddlers both engaged with > whatever is going on on a more sensible looking computer. We see a young > attractive 'housewife' sitting on over-large creamy coloured sofa either > posing > sexily or demurely (or both) and looking at a flashy laptop. If we ever see > the > screen then there is some simple pie-chart of bar-graph or sometimes they risk > showing a line-graph (for business users). Maybe you're right. We'll have a think about it over Christmas, because it looks like the site won't roll out until January. > Personally i do like the narrower format because i have not yet followed > 'everyone else' to widescreen. Also for me personally (probably fairly > typically for a linux user) i do prefer having useful information right there > fast without having to dig around for it and the picture is what i personally > like as a linux-user because it show me useful stuff. The info was well > written, compelling and succinct, telling me exactly the sorts of things that > people ask whenever they find me using OpenOffice (one that still has the Sun > logo). However, while it may be great for existing linux-users we are not > typical of the general population out-there that we need to reach. Well, where I live, very few people have wide screens. So what you say in that respect is an important consideration. I'm glad you liked the content. Maybe I'll just move it off the front page to another location, as you suggest. > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away or > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. See above... > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest > to > completion whichever one that is. There are actually going to be two sites. One for LibreOffice, the software, and one for The Document Foundation, the "umbrella organization" fostering the project. > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays Your thoughts were interesting and very enlightening. Please do stay around the project. If you'd like a suggestion of an area to get involved in, you might like to consider the documentation team. Do sign up for the list at documentation+subscr...@libreoffice.org if you have time to give. We're a small team, but we are acquiring some fine members - we don't discuss quite so much as on the other lists, but the team members are cooperative, friendly people who quietly *produce* high quality work. ;-) Thanks for your feedback, and read you next time. :-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Tom! Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 10:33 + schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi David :) > > I prefer > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink > because it has less information and looks prettier. > > Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and > seems > to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on Well, there is no "the people" ... there are people having different requirements and living/working in different environments. Some guys want to have in-depth information in advance, some consume basic information and just want to give things a try. Thus, it is not about hiding information, but to provide it step-by-step - managing the concept what people can grasp. That is why I think that we miss the requirements of quite some users at the moment ... > http://test.libreoffice.org > took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of > milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. > > Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? Same for me ... > By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no > information. [...] > > I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. > > The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away > or > reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. Yep. > I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest > to > completion whichever one that is. I'd say ... whatever helps us to satisfy the needs of the majority of our users. So even if it might take some additional work, it seems worth the effort. > Regards from > Tom :) > > PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays Sorry to hear that :-\ Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David :) I prefer http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink because it has less information and looks prettier. Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and seems to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on http://test.libreoffice.org took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no information. We see pictures of smart people in suits looking at a flashy computer. We see pictures of grannies leaning over toddlers both engaged with whatever is going on on a more sensible looking computer. We see a young attractive 'housewife' sitting on over-large creamy coloured sofa either posing sexily or demurely (or both) and looking at a flashy laptop. If we ever see the screen then there is some simple pie-chart of bar-graph or sometimes they risk showing a line-graph (for business users). Personally i do like the narrower format because i have not yet followed 'everyone else' to widescreen. Also for me personally (probably fairly typically for a linux user) i do prefer having useful information right there fast without having to dig around for it and the picture is what i personally like as a linux-user because it show me useful stuff. The info was well written, compelling and succinct, telling me exactly the sorts of things that people ask whenever they find me using OpenOffice (one that still has the Sun logo). However, while it may be great for existing linux-users we are not typical of the general population out-there that we need to reach. I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away or reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest to completion whichever one that is. Regards from Tom :) PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays From: David Nelson To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 9:54:34 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi Tom, :-) Interesting thoughts. ;-) But, actually, the site under discussion is http://test.libreoffice.org What are your thoughts on that one? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Tom, :-) Interesting thoughts. ;-) But, actually, the site under discussion is http://test.libreoffice.org What are your thoughts on that one? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi :) I like the way the website is at the moment. I also quite like the proposed screenshot except that i would prefer the download button on the left so that people can access it without having to scroll sideways. Ok, it may not be perfect for everyone but what we have got works well. It might be a good time to stand back from the website and look at what we have while we push forwards in other strategic areas. Perfection is a great goal but we need to get basics in place first and we seem to already have more than that with the website. It is pleasant, informative, uncluttered and fast. It is easy to reach the download buttons. Do we really need it more perfect than it is already? I think congratulations are due to everyone involved and it is great that we have ideas building up and being finalised but i am not sure we have to action them hastily? Anarchy? My background is mostly in co-operative organisations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative but i agree that getting work done can be more important than discussions as long as there is room to make changes or revert to previous versions after-the-fact. I don't see this as a contradiction but many people new to co-operatives or other non-hierarchical structures often assume that discussion about every tiny point is vital. It isn't. Getting the job done is usually far more important. The wider group may set policy or determine "house/company style" based on early experimentation. Anyone 'should' be free to express an opinion and "stupid questions" may reveal a possibility for useful innovation but the people doing the work have to be free to get on with the work. Ideas and suggestions are good if they help get the work done but if they are not immediately useful they 'should' be ignored or allowed to grow into something more useful later. Anyone 'should' be free to do sundry jobs under the direction of the main worker(s) as though being mentored for a while if that helps get the work done. It sometimes helps to split into 'temporary' roles such as one person/group working mainly on content and the other mainly on look-and-feel, each able to make suggestions to the other team/person. Note that 4/5 (80%) of new businesses FAIL in the first 2 years when they are set up in a "traditional" hierarchical format with 1 top boss dictating and no-one else feeling like they have any ownership of the project. By contrast only 2/5 (40%) of new worker co-operatives fail in the first 2 years. Innovation is crucial and we seldom get that from 1 single leader. The trick is getting people empowered, perhaps helping finding/developing their best area, so they can work on the projects too. I don't really think we need to discuss this now and it might be disruptive to do so. It is worth considering that we need a more fluid dynamic here than most people are used to in the outside world. I hope this helps otherwise just ignore it! Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: David Nelson To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 0:54:11 Subject: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi, :-) On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:39, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi David, all, > > once again, please don't think I would not appreciate your great work, even > if I try to improve the "look and feel" of the welcome page. > Please have a look at Christoph's proposal: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink I must admit that, personally, I don't find this layout attractive at all, although it gives some general indicators about content positioning. > I'm sorry, that I can't design a mockup at the moment. Time is short even > for adding the short phases... I *have* read your ideas, and will carefully read them and think about them again as I finish off this first version of the site content. I am doing my best to take account of your comments and the comments of other people in what I'm doing. But, sometimes, the proposals and reactions are so sharply contrasting that it is difficult or impossible to please everybody. The problem is that it is *extremely* difficult to work in the current situation: it's a kind of contributive anarchy, with no-one having a clearly-appointed lead role in particular areas of the project. Thus, the only conclusion you can arrive at is this: the people that actually *do* work are the ones that get to call the shots. If they are good community members, they will do their best to take account of other people's opinions. But, in many cases, one has to take a decision, and the decision will inevitably dissatisfy someone. Such is the case in what I'
[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi, :-) On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 07:39, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi David, all, > > once again, please don't think I would not appreciate your great work, even > if I try to improve the "look and feel" of the welcome page. > Please have a look at Christoph's proposal: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink I must admit that, personally, I don't find this layout attractive at all, although it gives some general indicators about content positioning. > I'm sorry, that I can't design a mockup at the moment. Time is short even > for adding the short phases... I *have* read your ideas, and will carefully read them and think about them again as I finish off this first version of the site content. I am doing my best to take account of your comments and the comments of other people in what I'm doing. But, sometimes, the proposals and reactions are so sharply contrasting that it is difficult or impossible to please everybody. The problem is that it is *extremely* difficult to work in the current situation: it's a kind of contributive anarchy, with no-one having a clearly-appointed lead role in particular areas of the project. Thus, the only conclusion you can arrive at is this: the people that actually *do* work are the ones that get to call the shots. If they are good community members, they will do their best to take account of other people's opinions. But, in many cases, one has to take a decision, and the decision will inevitably dissatisfy someone. Such is the case in what I'm presently doing. I observed how, after long discussions on the mailing lists and various conference calls, the website team had failed to put any IA together, and had failed to put even as much as 10 words on any single page. So I jumped in and started working on my own. Even when I asked for quick and concrete contributions, I only got help with content from a couple of people (apart from lots of patient technical support from Christian). I do want to get feedback from people, and to take account of their ideas, but I don't have time or patience to be spending all my time writing to mailing lists. I actually want to *do* work *now*. I'm aware that the content I've put on the site is not perfect, and that it's open to revision in the future. But it does have the merit of *actually existing* and being sufficient to roll out the site. I'm determined to finish off what I started, but I do ask you to remember that I, too, only have 24 hours in my day, and also have a life to deal with outside the project. So please forgive me for any shortcomings you perceive in what I produce. ;-) We can look at things again in the New Year. I will be doing my best to take account of all I've read. :-) I'm currently negotiating with Florian, Christian and Christoph to see whether to proceed with changes to the SilverStripe theme, or whether to set this issue aside for someone else to decide about at sometime in the future. I hope you understand my position, guys. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
HI I do agree with the comments in the screenshots but i thought it was good-practice to avoid forcing a certain width and allow browsers to resize things to fit the screen as much as possible? It is not always going to be possible and it is less of a worry since 'everyone' is moving to wide-screen nowadays but reducing the need to for side-scrolling makes the site easier for people to use. Perhaps just keeping critical information that noobs need to the left might satify both sides? Regarding stupid comments; i think they are usually best dealt with off-list as people may be new to the list and just asking questions to try to get on-track quickly. While core-contributors may not have time there may be other people to enlighten noobs. Regards from Tom :) From: David Nelson To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: webs...@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 21 December, 2010 3:22:17 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi Christian, :-) Thanks for your reply. OK, I've noted about working with the git repo. Let's see if there's any kind of go-ahead from Florian and Christoph. If we wait for answers from everyone, we'll never get anywhere and the subject will just drown in circular, endless discussions. My aim would be to do something concrete real soon. Let's see what's said... > I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now. > Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something > opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey > background, no selection possioble, etc. > Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it > then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks: > Nah, needs work. I'm only talking about achieving the same presentation as on that site, so we're not really worried about what doesn't work on that site. But it's a clean presentation that will allow us to make the SilverStripe site and content look good quickly, and it basically fits the graphic charter... [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png P.S. My advice would be not to get into arguments with stupid people deliberately spamming the thread with irrelevant off-topic comments. They do it deliberately to break up the intelligent discussion... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Christian, :-) Thanks for your reply. OK, I've noted about working with the git repo. Let's see if there's any kind of go-ahead from Florian and Christoph. If we wait for answers from everyone, we'll never get anywhere and the subject will just drown in circular, endless discussions. My aim would be to do something concrete real soon. Let's see what's said... > I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now. > Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something > opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey > background, no selection possioble, etc. > Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it > then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks: > Nah, needs work. I'm only talking about achieving the same presentation as on that site, so we're not really worried about what doesn't work on that site. But it's a clean presentation that will allow us to make the SilverStripe site and content look good quickly, and it basically fits the graphic charter... [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png P.S. My advice would be not to get into arguments with stupid people deliberately spamming the thread with irrelevant off-topic comments. They do it deliberately to break up the intelligent discussion... David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > > I thought Joomla was far easier to use than Drupal and has a much larger & > faster community? SilverLight website looks very dated or is it just > starting-up? Please don't start trolling. 1st of all it is SilverStripe, not SilverLight, 2nd if oyu know Joomla, Drupal, etc. Then you should know that the look is independent of the CMS. What it looks like depends on how you define the css. You can make the site look like whatever you want. So please: Don't argument pro/against a cms by the looks of the css. And yes, it is starting up, and no, the design is not new, it is closely based on the documentfoundation.org theme. We're aware that it is not the nicest theme around there, but if you want to be constructive, join the webs...@libreoffice.org mailinglist and/or the design/marketing lists. There have been various requests for comments, but people are too busy to spend a considerable amount of time into it right now. There have been a few proposals, but none of the drupal folks did comment on them either, and the drupal team did not pick those up either. So I don't consider the druapl site's theme any better in this regard. "Closed-shop" work unfortunately. Instead of working on defining the look of the site *right now* they prefer working behind closed doors on the drupal site without providing feedback on the public mailinglists. I don't like this at all. It is good to see progress, but when this progress is on a completely seperate track than the community discussion about the topic, then it doesn't help at all. Great. now this post turned into a rant again, but well, be it… ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi :) I thought Joomla was far easier to use than Drupal and has a much larger & faster community? SilverLight website looks very dated or is it just starting-up? Regards from Tom :) From: Christian Lohmaier To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: webs...@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 21 December, 2010 2:59:38 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:35 AM, David Nelson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold > wrote: > [...] > IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never > done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a > couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another. You don't hack a theme for silverstripe, you create a css for nicely created HTML :-)) The cms specific parts should be reduced to a minimum, as I think the html it creates is semantic enough, and not layout-dependent :-) > I bet it would only > take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped > out, I bet we could do it even quicker... Well, I wouldn't tackle this. Feedback from the marketing/design/branding front is rather sparse, as very few people have time these days, so I fear that it ends up like "Nice, you got a theme, but unfortunately it doesn't match our vision for future branding" or similar I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now. Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey background, no selection possioble, etc. Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks: Nah, needs work. > Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into > http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there No need to have access, the theme is in git: https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes you can download a zip or tar.gz there using the download button and you can create an export of the site using http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/StaticExporter/export?baseurl=relative This will get you a html.tar.gz - copy the cms-themes folder of the git download into the html folder as html/themes Then hack around. Don't bother about the silvertsripe templates, just add the html you wish there would be, I can then adapt the templates. The templates are included in the cms-themes as well, so feel free to have a look, it needs some refactoring anyway, (move common parts to includes, do less duplication), but they are pretty straightforward in either case. http://doc.silverstripe.org/templates > What do you think, guys? See above. A redesign will very likely have to wait until people are able to provide input. The discussion on how the navigation should look for example didn't receive much feedback yet, so whatever you would do, it would be on a very fragile basis. > a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content. > b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no > visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible. This is a non-argument. Drupal can adapt to whatever we create on silverstripe, etc. >> PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a >> relative link...) > > I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK. Huh? What does the link have to do with it? You already fixed the images, the link is completely independent of the images/photo-shuffler. But I'll fix it nevertheless... ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:35 AM, David Nelson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold > wrote: > [...] > IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never > done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a > couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another. You don't hack a theme for silverstripe, you create a css for nicely created HTML :-)) The cms specific parts should be reduced to a minimum, as I think the html it creates is semantic enough, and not layout-dependent :-) > I bet it would only > take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped > out, I bet we could do it even quicker... Well, I wouldn't tackle this. Feedback from the marketing/design/branding front is rather sparse, as very few people have time these days, so I fear that it ends up like "Nice, you got a theme, but unfortunately it doesn't match our vision for future branding" or similar I personally don't like the libreofficeaustralia theme as it is now. Header much too high, language selection doesn't work (something opens, but that something is covered almost entirely by grey background, no selection possioble, etc. Visit it with german locale and you're locked out basically, as it then also doesn't even offer navigation, etc. So from first looks: Nah, needs work. > Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into > http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there No need to have access, the theme is in git: https://github.com/tdf/cms-themes you can download a zip or tar.gz there using the download button and you can create an export of the site using http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/StaticExporter/export?baseurl=relative This will get you a html.tar.gz - copy the cms-themes folder of the git download into the html folder as html/themes Then hack around. Don't bother about the silvertsripe templates, just add the html you wish there would be, I can then adapt the templates. The templates are included in the cms-themes as well, so feel free to have a look, it needs some refactoring anyway, (move common parts to includes, do less duplication), but they are pretty straightforward in either case. http://doc.silverstripe.org/templates > What do you think, guys? See above. A redesign will very likely have to wait until people are able to provide input. The discussion on how the navigation should look for example didn't receive much feedback yet, so whatever you would do, it would be on a very fragile basis. > a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content. > b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no > visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible. This is a non-argument. Drupal can adapt to whatever we create on silverstripe, etc. >> PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a >> relative link...) > > I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK. Huh? What does the link have to do with it? You already fixed the images, the link is completely independent of the images/photo-shuffler. But I'll fix it nevertheless... ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
SilverStripe? Is that something that will look a bit like the "ribbon-bar" in the 2007-2010 MicroSquish Office? Regards from Tom :) From: Christian Lohmaier To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Cc: webs...@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 21 December, 2010 2:41:40 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, David Nelson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold > wrote: > >>Twitter and blog in >> the "scrolling area" are ok, but I think a "news" area is more important >> than those tow. > > Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe? Well - there is a blog module, yes (meant for providing blogs yourself), and regarding news: You can of course add a news section as well. Similar to how the FAQ-items are automatically collected, one can collect news items. And you can create a area on the page that shows the X latest news entries. The basics on how to do it are laid out in the basic tutorials of silverstripe http://doc.silverstripe.org/tutorial:2-extending-a-basic-site If it is just about providing an RSS feed: You can turn pretty much everything into a RSS feed with silverstripe... The real questions is: Do we want to add news via the CMS or not. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, *, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, David Nelson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold > wrote: > >>Twitter and blog in >> the "scrolling area" are ok, but I think a "news" area is more important >> than those tow. > > Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe? Well - there is a blog module, yes (meant for providing blogs yourself), and regarding news: You can of course add a news section as well. Similar to how the FAQ-items are automatically collected, one can collect news items. And you can create a area on the page that shows the X latest news entries. The basics on how to do it are laid out in the basic tutorials of silverstripe http://doc.silverstripe.org/tutorial:2-extending-a-basic-site If it is just about providing an RSS feed: You can turn pretty much everything into a RSS feed with silverstripe... The real questions is: Do we want to add news via the CMS or not. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Bernhard, :-) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not > contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the > download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Please give me a suggestion for the "few lines of text" then. >Twitter and blog in > the "scrolling area" are ok, but I think a "news" area is more important > than those tow. Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Klaus, Bernhard, Florian, all, :-) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > So Florian can't bring up the website *now* - that's a great pity > (especially with regards to the immense work David put into the site during > the last week), but we can't do anything against it. > > Florian's day is not longer than 24h - and his life doesn't consist of > LibreOffice alone. Yes, I understand this. I hope very much he *will* manage it but, if really he can't, I will dissipate my great disappointment and think laterally. > PS: I understand Klaus-Jürgen's comment as possibility to use the time until > the launch - not as an attempt to delay it. Yes, well if ever Florian can't launch the site then we should think positively and use the intervening time usefully. Xmas list. > PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not > contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the > download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Twitter and blog in > the "scrolling area" are ok, but I think a "news" area is more important > than those tow. I will put at least a download button above the home page text, but did not get around to it yet. You will notice that I *have* been listening to people's comments, and complying with most of them. The problem is that the current theme is very narrow, and limits what you can place on the page quite a lot. That applies to the top menu bar, the side menu and the actual content area. IMHO, I would scrap the current theme and make a new one. I've never done a SilverStripe theme before, but once you've hacked themes for a couple of CMS's, you can hack them for another. I bet it would only take me a few days. If one of you SilverSite CSS/theming gurus helped out, I bet we could do it even quicker... I would propose a theme based on the theme at libreofficeaustralia.org. Take a look at screenshots [1] and [2]. The design perfectly fits the current marketing color scheme and graphic charter. It's simple but very Web 2.0. It's based on the Fusion theme for Drupal. It gives a lot more space and scope for nicely laying out the content, with lots of nice big screenshots, etc. Florian, Christian, if you gave me access to SSH/FTP into http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ then I could set a new theme up there and work on it. Then Christian could install it on the test.libreoffice.org/libreoffice.org site when it was ready. What do you think, guys? a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content. b) If ever there is a changeover to a Drupal site, there will be no visual break... the roll-over could be almost invisible. > PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a > relative link...) I know. I had to hack the HTML/CSS to make the shuffler look OK. I'm waiting for Christian to deal with the fix I already requested. So it's a temporary thing. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/65/Liboaustralia-screenshot1.png [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/1/14/Liboaustralia-screenshot2.png David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
