Re: [Boston.pm] Tomorrow: Tech Meeting, Tues 11/10 : Perl 6

[Federico Lucifredi]

+1 -F

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> On Nov 9, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Uri Guttman  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/09/2015 01:58 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
>> November Next Meeting: 2nd Tuesday
>> Autumn Theme: Perl 6 for Xmas​[image: external image camelia-logo.png]
>> Get Ready To PartyTue Nov 10 2015 MIT E51-376 9.30pm
>> 
>> 
>> (*NOTE: we're Staying in the wider room 376 second door, not the squarish
>> 372 first door that we had some terms.)*
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Re: [Boston.pm] Social Meeting, Tuesday, Aug 11

[Federico Lucifredi]

Unfortunately, I won’t be in this here town on the 11th :/

See you in the Perlsphere Ronald! -F


 On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Morse, Richard E.,MGH remo...@mgh.harvard.edu 
 wrote:
 
 Hi! I’ll be there!
 
 Ricky
 
 On Jul 26, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Ronald J Kimball r...@tamias.net wrote:
 
 As Uri mentioned on the announcement list, we would like to have a social
 meeting on Tuesday, Aug 11, so that I can say goodbye to all of you,
 because I am moving to Minneapolis next month!
 
 We're planning to hold it at the Sunset Grill and Tap in Allston.  Please
 RSVP here so Uri can get a head count and reserve space for us.
 
 As an extra enticement, I will be bringing some unclaimed Perl Monger
 shirts from 2006.
 
 (It's been a while since I made it to a meeting, so, for those of you who
 may not remember me, I was the leader of Boston.pm from 1999 to 2008. :)
 
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[Boston.pm] SD Card (in)Security

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Perl Mongers,
  I gave a 10-minute interview at OSCON describing the final version of the SD 
card hacks we described:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo-Qug3fZM0index=47list=PL055Epbe6d5YhDchEvY3O4nIuSLYyrx7K

  I will post a link to the talk slides once they are up on the site.

  Thanks to all for the help prepping the talk!
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] ver 5.20 of perl?

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+1 on PerlBrew.

By the way, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS's system Perl is 5.18. RHEL 7 should have Perl 
5.16 if the Fedora 19 release it was forked from was not altered.

Bottom line, looks like system Perl is getting younger. Not upgradable perhaps, 
but still something.

Best-F

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 On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:
 
 5.20 is the most recent stable release, so if they are trying to get
 current, that is it.
 
 Upgrading the system perl from 5.8.8 to 5.20 however is probably not
 advisable though. What is the role-out  test plan? Who is responsible for
 fixing any code that breaks? What is the role-back plan? As fantastic as it
 would be, I've yet to work with anyone who actually moved forward with that
 on company-wide production servers after doing any real testing.
 
 You might suggest they look into perlbrew and maybe even pinto or carton as
 ways of managing installing 5.20 on all the production systems for
 deploying new code against without disrupting the system perl and
 everything that may depend on it.
 
 -HTH,
 Sean
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Greg London em...@greglondon.com wrote:
 
 
 one of the IT guys at work just asked what
 I thought about installing version 5.20.0 of perl
 on all our computers.
 
 We currently have 5.8.8.
 
 I don't even know if 5.20 is considered stable or not.
 Buggy? Issues?
 
 Is a different version better?
 
 Thoughts?
 
 My experience with IT
 (at every job I've ever worked at)
 is usually one of
 You have perl 5.4, that should be good enough.
 so, I wanted to make the most of this.
 
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[Boston.pm] Writing Readable, Maintainable Perl - From O'Reilly's blog

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 http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/12/can-one-write-readable-and-maintainable-perl.html

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Re: [Boston.pm] audio processing with perl

[Federico Lucifredi]

That looks like great material for a Boston.PM talk.

There was a very nice audio processing talk (in Python) at OSCON this year. FFT 
and auditory examples combined.

Thanks -F



On Nov 22, 2013, at 4:25 PM, js js0...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 11/21/2013 17:31, Adam Russell wrote:
 So, can anyone recommend an introduction or tutorial on audio processing?
 Extra nice if it were perl centric , of course.
 
 i really don't know the state of audio programming in perl. in my experience, 
 you do different things with audio data than with, say, text data.
 
 i have used both csound and pd to execute manipulations of audio data. i 
 don't know how long or how in depth you are looking to make this project, but 
 you might need to learn some things about digital signal processing if this 
 is to work out as you might like it to.
 
 if you were to start an audio programming adventure, i'd recommend you look 
 into pd tutorials, as csound is somewhat old school. maybe the old school 
 is the one you need. i cannot say.
 
 at a different level of processing, audacity is probably worth looking into.
 
 good luck.
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Perl community The Rising Costs of Aging Perlers

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On 07/23/2013 11:02 AM, Jan Jackson wrote:
However, when our previous Perl instructor moved to New Hampshire to 
run an organic farm, there was no one interested in taking over the 
class, so it ended, and Perl hasn't been taught at HES for some years 
now. 


I did submit a proposal to take over that class, but I was told there 
was not enough interest on the student side when we last discussed this 
three years ago.


If you think restarting the Perl class is possible, I would be 
interested - please contact me privately. I had worked out a full 
syllabus and examples for a considerable number of classes, they must be 
stashed in my attic somewhere :)  Modern Perl would require me to update 
those, but it would still be a good starting point.


 Best -F

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Re: [Boston.pm] Tech Meeting: Embedded Perl with Federico

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On Apr 11, 2013, at 12:02 AM, Bob Rogers rogers-...@rgrjr.dyndns.org wrote:

   From: Greg Londonem...@greglondon.com
   Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:18:12 -0400
 
   I have no idea what the signaling looks like on that 4wire connector
   between the platters and controller electronics, but it would seem to
   me that the right bit of hardware hooked directly to those 4 wires
   would be the best way to wipe a drive. If you drive random data onto
   the data wire and slowly work the head from the inside to the outside
   track, you would wipe out formatting data, hidden sectors, sectors
   marked as bad, etc.

That's what ATA Secure Erase is supposed to do.

It is horrible how ATA nature as a synchronous protocol (the answer arrives 
back effectively instantly) is being perverted when you have to wait 78 minutes 
for an answer.

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[Boston.pm] New Xkcd feaaturing Perl

[Federico Lucifredi]

http://www.xkcd.org/1171/

Best -F


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[Boston.pm] Perl renaissance

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Boston PM

  Perl renaissance, Paul fenwick's talk at Linux.conf.au is now online. Worth 
watching while you wait for the governor to get your street plowed this weekend:

  http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.conf.au/2013/mp4/The_Perl_Renaissance.mp4


Best -F



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Re: [Boston.pm] February Meeting 2/12 early reminder - We critique's Uri's Code for a change :-)

[Federico Lucifredi]

Will be there. ..and Will practice the heckling in advance!

Best -F


On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:16 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:

 Our Topic is how to release a module to CPAN. Uri will show us how his old
 to him new to CPAN module is packaged to go.
 
 This is our chance to heckle Uri. Be there ! It's fun !
 
 Uri, please tell everyone what module it is ... i forget.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Boston.pm] distributed computing in dynamic languages

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On May 4, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

 it is much easier than most people realize. the key is a simple message 
 passing api. that allows for local or remote calls without changing the code. 
 then you can do your work in one process or distributed with little extra 
 help. this is a library thing and not something needed in the language. so 
 the quality of the library matters as much as anything else and that means 
 knowing how to design such a beast.

So. Apache Zookeeper + Perl? Incidentally, just noticed Net::ZooKeeper…

Best -Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] distributed computing in dynamic languages

[Federico Lucifredi]

(and, yes, I am cleaning my mail queue at 3 am)

Best -F

On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Federico Lucifredi wrote:

 
 On May 4, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
 
 it is much easier than most people realize. the key is a simple message 
 passing api. that allows for local or remote calls without changing the 
 code. then you can do your work in one process or distributed with little 
 extra help. this is a library thing and not something needed in the 
 language. so the quality of the library matters as much as anything else and 
 that means knowing how to design such a beast.
 
 So. Apache Zookeeper + Perl? Incidentally, just noticed Net::ZooKeeper…
 
 Best -Federico
 
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[Boston.pm] distributed computing in dynamic languages

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Mongers,
  Pragmatic Programmers has just announced a book on distributed programming in 
Ruby.  Somewhat the possibility never occurred to me :)

  I am wondering, is there some obvious reason, like a well-structured library 
or language property, that makes one of the dynamic languages a better option 
that the others for distributed computing? I am not thinking HPC, more like 
remote method invocation.


  Thanks -F 



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[Boston.pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] Bulk Orders (of Modern Perl) for User Groups

[Federico Lucifredi]

 This might be interesting for your groups:
http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/03/bulk-orders-for-user-groups.html

We need to hit 5 orders to make a UG order of Modern Perl, 2012 edition - 23$ 
instead of 35$.  Bill, myself and I volunteered, and we need a few more takers! 
Any others?

Best -Federico

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[Boston.pm] Perl titles on Sale at O'Reilly

[Federico Lucifredi]

I just thought I would share this:

http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/perl-programming-power.do?imm_mid=0807b4cmp=em-orm-books-videos-perl-owo-elist-splitB-resend

Best -Federico

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[Boston.pm] The second P

[Federico Lucifredi]

Okay guys,
  I haven't gotten a definite answer on this when I asked a couple of years 
back, so I'l ask again - flog me as you may :)

  I have a need to properly learn a certain other P language, and I do not 
mean PHP either.  For Perl, my favorite concise summary is the first chapter 
of Damian's OO Perl book.  What about the other, unnamed, language? Guido has 
written up a short language on the book, but what else has proven popular with 
people who already knew Perl to expand their range of dynamic languages - 
without reading hundred of pages?

 Thanks -Federico

PS: I promise to flog myself if you guys actually come up with a good 
suggestion!

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Re: [Boston.pm] Tech meeting TONIGHT - new Web bug affects multiple languages, but not Perl

[Federico Lucifredi]

Thanks for giving it, it was quite interesting!

Best -F

On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:00 PM, David Larochelle wrote:

 Thanks to everyone who came to my talk on Tuesday.
 
 I put a copy of the slides online here:
 
 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dlarochelle/2012/01/15/hash-collision-complexity-attacks-perl-vs-other-languages/
 
 
 --
 
 David
 
 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Brad Oaks brado...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was ill today too.  Hope to catch you all next month!
 
 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Next Tech Meeting Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7 – 10p.m. MIT E51-376
 
 David Larochelle will explain the new multi-language web Denial of
 Service (DoS http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?DoS) threat that
 doesn't affect Perl (but affects Python  PHP).
 http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/advisory28122011.pdf CVE-2011-4885
 Phuket
 property http://www.phuketproperty.com/ Reported 2003
 http://www.cs.rice.edu/~scrosby/hash/CrosbyWallach_UsenixSec2003.pdfFixed
 in Perl 2005
 http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsec.html#Algorithmic-Complexity-Attacks
 
 This will be the last time in the summer room E51-376. We'll return to
 old traditional E51-372 for Feb - May. (confirmed)
 
 Speaking of security ... if your home (or office) router has WPS simple
 setup feature, TURN WPS OFF. NOW. Wi-Fi Protected Setup (WPS) PIN Brute
 Force Vulnerability
 
 https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Wi-Fi+Protected+Setup+WPS+PIN+Brute+Force+Vulnerability/12292
 
 Sean is acting facilitator for this session, so please RSVP to the main
 list boston...@pm.org
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Federico Lucifredi]

we probably don't need a wiki. Content management ahoy!

Just my 5 cents.

Best-F

On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro-boston...@vl.com wrote:
 
 I'll reiterate a prior recommendation to use Wikispaces. It's been
 working fine for BLU and a few other projects with minimal maintenance
 effort. (Much nicer wiki UI than kwiki, too.) If you set it to require a
 login (OpenID) you pretty much eliminate spam.
 
 The big downside to it is that you have to pay in order to use a fully
 custom domain, otherwise you get a subdomain, which you could redirect
 to from your desired domain.
 
 
 Tom's offer is very much appreciated. My previous reply was along the lines
 that we'd had so little wiki-ish authoring activity (aside from the
 spammers) that I doubting the conversion was worth the effort and cost, was
 wondering if we'd have a better fit moving to a Content Management System
 (such as the minimalist WEBDAV that pm.org supplies -- that Jerrad and I
 used on Advent 2.0 -- or something fancier, hopefully Perl based, maybe
 runnable where our wiki is now (Quinlan's)).
 
 For FAQ/contact pages and a monthly calender update we don't need much --
 and only the few who actually do the editing need write access. That's all
 that's really happening now.
 
 I would like comment on those requirements -- do we need a wiki ? if so,
 what is who going to do with it that they haven't lately ?
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Tech meeting TONIGHT - new Web bug affects multiple languages, but not Perl

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will be there.

 Best -F

On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

 On 01/10/2012 09:22 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:
 
 
 Sean is acting facilitator for this session, so please RSVP to the main
 list boston...@pm.org
 
 
 i am attending. ain't seen much response yet. will there be pizza (free or 
 pay)?
 
 thanx,
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] RSVP: Tech meeting TONIGHT

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On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Sean Quinlan wrote:

 http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/advisory28122011.pdf CVE-2011-4885 Phuket
 property http://www.phuketproperty.com/ Reported 2003

I think this bug should be rather called the Dynamic Language Vulnerability, 
but Phucket Property certainly gives it more character :)

 Best -F

PS: I gather copying from a web page selection dragged in an ad link for Thai 
beachfront realty...
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

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On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Ronald J Kimball wrote:

 Worse than that: this was copied from our Wiki, which has been very heavily
 hit with wiki spam again.

Hrm. I Tried to clean up, someone please double-check me.

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[Boston.pm] Linting for Domain Languages

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Perl Mongers,
  I am thinking of playing around with the idea of Linting the install scripts 
used for automated Linux deployment.  

For KickStart, there is pyKickStart which could be a base to go on (not looked 
at it yet).

For AutoYaST, it is a trivial problem (it's XML), so as long as I can get a 
current schema, it's done.

For Preseed, which is the one that interests me at the moment, there isn't much 
I can find. One can feed the file to  

sudo debconf-set-selections -c file.seed

and get some kind of test (but there are issues, for instance, whitespace is 
not handled correctly). But that's about it.

I would like to build a full parser and then have the ability to do more then 
generate errors, but also syntax completion suggestions, possibly even 
highlighting.

I am not scared of C, but I think a higher level language like Perl (or the 
other P) may be kinder to my time. Since there are a number of language wizards 
in the group, I am asking for pointers, as I have not worked on implementing a 
language parser before. So tutorials shorter than Aho to get this 
accomplished are very welcome :)  How would you break the work, which modules 
would help? That is what I am really asking, so that I can ask the right 
questions next ;)

I saw that Martin Fowler authored a tome on implementing DSLs. Anyone checked 
that out? Does it apply?

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Re: [Boston.pm] interested in damian training?

[Federico Lucifredi]

There is a sixth person interested here :) And I actually have a tad of 
personal training budget to put where my mouth is, if that ballpark number is 
close. 

Best -F

On Aug 10, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Philip Durbin wrote:

 On 08/09/2011 06:36 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
 if you or your perl shop would be interested in training by damian,
 please let me know. i don't have the fees yet but they may be in the
 $500-700 per student/day range. there will likely be discounts for
 multiple days of training and possibly even some scholarships. the
 potential dates would be in early october or if that doesn't work,
 next july. if there is a large demand for them, a different date
 could be scheduled.
 
 I talked this up at work and if the cost is only about $500 per person there 
 are four or five of us who are interested.  We would need more details before 
 we can commit, of course, but it sounds like a great opportunity.  Thanks for 
 doing the legwork on this, Uri, and please keep us posted.
 
 Phil
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] latest file::slurp for testing

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Uri,
  It built, tested and installed all right on openSUSE 11.2 on my
laptop, nothing amiss to report.

  Reading the article in extras, which I liked quite a bit by the way, I
noticed one thing missing: slurping configuration has a few extra
details (e.g. comments), it would be nice if you included an example on
how to import slightly more sophisticated config files.  The best
example I know is one config file to rule them all

http://inthebox.webmin.com/one-config-file-to-rule-them-all

but, of course, there are others.

 I like your module, but I mostly enjoyed the explanation of slurping,
pros and cons, you definitely do not see that every day.

 By the way, in the talk you mentioned the old Sys Admin magazine --
Linux New Media has started a new magazine along those lines last year,
Admin Magazine:

http://www.admin-magazine.com/

The first issue was being distributed at OSCON IIRC. The editor is a
friend, if you are interested in writing for them, I can provide you
with an introduction (you know these things are mostly for the glory of
it of course... the payments for writing articles being what they are
these days :).  Just thought I'd mention it, I think you would be a good
fit for them.


 Rock on! -Federico


Uri Guttman wrote:
 hi all,
 
 as i said, the last meeting gave me some good solutions and they are
 implemented. the current beta for File::Slurp is at:
 
   sysarch.com File-Slurp-.14.tar.gz
 
 it has support for overloaded objects for both read_file and write_file
 with a test for both. the pod has been updated to reflect that and it
 also is cleaned up for passing in io handles. some patches were applied
 from a tester and they make it work back to at least 5.005. there are
 still a few tests which fail on winblows. if those of you who
 volunteered to test and/or fix those tests, can download and hack away,
 it would be very helpful. it passes all tests on my linux perl 5.10
 setup.
 
 
 here are the reported windoze tests that fail:
 
 #   Failed test 'read_file of :utf8 file'
 #   at t/binmode.t line 29.
 # Looks like you failed 1 test of 2.
 t/binmode.t ... 
 
 # Looks like you planned 7 tests but ran 6.
 t/error.t . 
 Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
 
 #   Failed test 'default perms works'
 #   at t/perms.t line 19.
 #  got: '438'
 # expected: '416'
 
 #   Failed test 'set perms works'
 #   at t/perms.t line 23.
 #  got: '438'
 # expected: '488'
 # Looks like you failed 2 tests of 2.
 t/perms.t . 
 Dubious, test returned 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)
 Failed 2/2 subtests 
 
 
 see if you can reproduce them and even fix them. yes, i can also try the
 free virtual machine redmond is offering. i could also see if hemlock
 will kill me! :)
 
 thanx,
 
 uri
 


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Re: [Boston.pm] profiling memory usage

[Federico Lucifredi]

I haven't tried this, but I have been mulling it for some time: using Dtrace to 
debug Perl.

Of course, you'd have to be on *BSD or OS-X (or Soracle), But if that's Ok, 
using runtime probes seems very promising for the memory leak/out of memory 
problem area. I saw a good tutorial at OSCON on the subject, and it had a 
Python section, I put on my TODO list the idea of making an equivalent for Perl 
last year... But never got to it.

I suppose on Linux Systemtap may fit the bill... But the upstream kernel guys 
give it such bad Karma that I haven't spent time on it.

Best-Federico

On Mar 8, 2011, at 22:52, Tom Metro tmetro-boston...@vl.com wrote:

 Some code I'm working on is triggering an out of memory error, and I'd
 like to figure out what specifically is responsible. (It's a complex
 system with dozens of libraries and it runs in parallel across a cluster
 of machines. Running the code in a debugger isn't a practical option.)
 
 Any recommendation for tools to do this?
 
 I don't recall if the typical profiling tools record memory usage, but a
 traditional profiler would be overkill for what I need.
 
 The ideal solution would be something that could hook the OOM exception
 and dump the symbol table along with stats for how much memory each
 symbol is occupying. Another useful possibility would be dumping the
 call stack.
 
 Is it possible to trap the OOM error? I don't think a __DIE__ handler
 catches it. It seems to be an unusual error in that you often see
 multiple of them, as if the first few are warnings, and then eventually
 it is fatal.
 
 -Tom
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] let's bring damian here

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Count me in -F

Greg London wrote:
 I'd be willing to chip in some money.
 
 Greg
 
 hi all,

 when damian conway has come to boston before he has given some amazing
 talks which bring out massive numbers of boston perl mongers. he has
 come here only when he had training gigs and that isn't likely to
 happen. but toronto did a cool thing at least once. they collected funds
 and paid for a talk by damian. he is usually open to such things if he
 can plan his schedule for a side visit. he usually gets an around the
 world plane ticket which gives him flexibilty in the states. i can't
 quote his expenses for a visit here but i would guess it is less than
 $1k total. i will ask both toronto.pm and damian what it would likely
 cost. anyhow, are people here interested in this? if a few perl using
 companies gave even $50 or $100 and we collected the rest, we could pull
 this off easily. ask at your place for a small donation or donate
 something yourself. at this point i want to just gauge overall interest
 and possible corporate help. i will get back with more info as i get it.

 thanx,

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Re: [Boston.pm] Election day too Re: Rakudo Star - a useful, usable, 'early adopter's distribution of Perl 6 MIT 9/14 E51 7pm

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See you there -F

Bill Ricker wrote:
 In Mass this Tuesday is Primary Election day too. Polls will close
 during the meeting so allow time to vote earlier in the day.
 
 On 9/8/10, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rakudo Star - a useful, usable, 'early adopter's distribution of Perl 6

  Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated -- Mark Twain

 Curious what the Perl community has been up to lately? Come see Perl
 6's recent preview release.

 Since July, Perl Mongers groups around the world are doing demo nights
 to build and exercise Rakudo Star.  Boston.PM's turn is September
 14th, MIT  E51-376 7:30pm (refreshments in hallway at 7). {This is the
 night before BLU's PGP night, second Tuesday is as late as it gets
 this month.}  We'll install it and show what it can do. We may discuss
 what more the final release candidate will do, and if  enough
 non-regulars turn up, we can discuss what's in 5.12 that's not in the
 5.8.4 or older that's still on many commercial Unix systems.

 RSVP for count encouraged (so our kind refreshments sponsors CIDC
 know) but not required,
 to me bill.n1...@gmail.com or Boston-PM list. (If you have favorite
 snippets of Perl6 code to share, send them too)

 Directions - http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/index.cgi?MITDirections

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 Announce: Rakudo Star - a useful, usable, early adopter distribution of
 Perl 6
 Submitted by pmichaud on Thu, 07/29/2010 - 05:18

 On behalf of the Rakudo and Perl 6 development teams, I'm happy to
 announce the July 2010 release of Rakudo Star, a useful and usable
 distribution of Perl 6. The tarball for the July 2010 release is
 available from http://github.com/rakudo/star/downloads.

 Rakudo Star is aimed at early adopters of Perl 6. We know that it
 still has some bugs, it is far slower than it ought to be, and there
 are some advanced pieces of the Perl 6 language specification that
 aren't implemented yet. But Rakudo Perl 6 in its current form is also
 proving to be viable (and fun) for developing applications and
 exploring a great new language. These Star releases are intended to
 make Perl 6 more widely available to programmers, grow the Perl 6
 codebase, and gain additional end-user feedback about the Perl 6
 language and Rakudo's implementation of it.

 In the Perl 6 world, we make a distinction between the language (Perl
 6) and specific implementations of the language such as Rakudo
 Perl. Rakudo Star is a distribution that includes release #31 of
 the Rakudo Perl 6 compiler [1 http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo],
 version 2.6.0 of the Parrot Virtual Machine [2 http://parrot.org/],
 and various modules, documentation, and other resources collected from
 the Perl 6 community. We plan to make Rakudo Star releases on a
 monthly schedule, with occasional special releases in response to
 important bugfixes or changes.

 Some of the many cool Perl 6 features that are available in this
 release of Rakudo Star:

 * Perl 6 grammars and regexes
 * formal parameter lists and signatures
 * metaoperators
 * gradual typing
 * a powerful object model, including roles and classes
 * lazy list evaluation
 * multiple dispatch
 * smart matching
 * junctions and autothreading
 * operator overloading (limited forms for now)
 * introspection
 * currying
 * a rich library of builtin operators, functions, and types
 * an interactive read-evaluation-print loop
 * Unicode at the codepoint level
 * resumable exceptions

 There are some key features of Perl 6 that Rakudo Star does not yet
 handle appropriately, although they will appear in upcoming releases.
 Thus, we do not consider Rakudo Star to be a Perl 6.0.0 or 1.0
 release. ...
 [read more]  http://rakudo.org/node/75 announcement
 (1) http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo
 (2) http://parrot.org/

 
 


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Re: [Boston.pm] Election day too Re: Rakudo Star - a useful, usable, 'early adopter's distribution of Perl 6 MIT 9/14 E51 7pm

[Federico Lucifredi]

LOL - yikes, sorry, did not realize I mass replied :) -F



On Sep 13, 2010, at 18:48, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:

 FL == Federico Lucifredi flucifr...@acm.org writes:
 
 
  FL See you there -F
 
 aolME TOO!!/aol
 
 uri
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] rakudo cheatsheet

[Federico Lucifredi]

How many do you want?

Best-Federico



On Jul 27, 2010, at 20:46, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:

 
 here is the link for the perl 6 cheatsheet. as suggested in the post, we
 should print a bunch of these for the meeting.
 
 http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/Perl6/Cheatsheet/cheatsheet.txt
 
 uri
 
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[Boston.pm] Perl at OSCON

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Mongers,
 we knew about Damian's cancellation due to family news at our last group 
meeting, but yesterday friend of Boston.pm brian d foy also begged out (he 
apparently had some last-minute surprise that sent him directly to the ER...). 
So, we are less Perl-y than usual here!

It does not escape me the irony that the usual badge ribbons this year read 
Pythonista, Ruby Rockstar and Desperate Perl Hacker. Seems apropos 
enough! :)

 Best -Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] Mac scripting questions

[Federico Lucifredi]

On 5/14/10 5:20 PM, Richard Morse wrote:
 One caveat; it is not necessarily the case that an application will reload 
 its defaults while running.

You are 100% right, and iCal positively does not.

However, I do tend to shutdown iCal and this appears to timely affect
the background notifications, which is what I am after.

Best -F

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[Boston.pm] Mac scripting questions

[Federico Lucifredi]

Following up from yesterday's discussion on the speaker script
disabling all annoyances, I was able to build a recording with
Automator, and I was also able to find a script going about it the
clickety-way:

-
Open this Scriplet in your Editor:

tell application iCal to activate

tell application System Events to tell process iCal
   --click menu item Preferences… of menu 1 of menu bar item
iCal of menu bar 1
   click menu item 3 of menu 1 of menu bar item 2 of menu bar 1

   --click button  Advanced  of tool bar 1 of window 1
   click button 3 of tool bar 1 of window 1

   --click checkbox Turn off all alarms of window 1
   click checkbox 1 of window 1

   --click menu item Close of menu 1 of menu bar item File of
menu bar 1
   click menu item 10 of menu 1 of menu bar item 3 of menu bar 1
end tell

tell application iCal to quit
-

BUT, the really interesting bit I was able to get to is the _actual_
reason why disabling alarms is not in the Dictionary for iCal: it is
in the application defaults, which i was not aware of even existed!

The defaults are programmatically accessible from the shell default
command, for example:

$ defaults read com.apple.iCal

and the one I was after turns put to be simply:

$ #check box -- 0 for uncheck
$ defaults write com.apple.iCal 'Disable all alarms' 1

Best -Federico

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[Boston.pm] O'Reilly School of technology: Perl I

[Federico Lucifredi]

Here is the discount code about the course Uri was mentioning. Looks
like the cert will be 4 modules, to be published in 2010.

The discount is, for some reason, still working as best I can tell. It
is supposed to have expired 3/5... technology :)

Best -F

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Re: [Boston.pm] ConfigObj, Config::Std, [PBP]

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On 3/2/10 9:55 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
 This is based on a very fuzzy remembrance of
 module source-code deep-dive at the Arlington masterclass (in which we
 blew Mac video dongle with winter static in the rented sweatshop).
 

hehe - I remember that. Sweatshop, tho !? :-P

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[Boston.pm] ConfigObj

[Federico Lucifredi]

Just happened upon ConfigObj

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/configobj.html#introduction

As someone more inclined to do Perl than that other language, I would
appreciate pointers to similar file format round-trippers, not just
for ini but for other common formats.

Federico

PS: this could be a good subject for a talk...
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Re: [Boston.pm] I didn't realize that some of Git is conceptually based on early work by Sean Quinlan!

[Federico Lucifredi]

Identity theft Tuesday complete with DNA sequencing and cloning?

More seriously, I had wondered if you two were one myself.

Best -F

Sean Quinlan wrote:
 Damn, and I sounded so cool for a minute there!
 
 ;)
 
 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Chris Devers chris.dev...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Bob Clancybob.cla...@verizon.net
 wrote:
 As I'm reading the beginning of the OReilly Git book (

 http://my.safaribooksonline.com/9780596158187/pre-Preface#X2ludGVybmFsX1NlY3Rpb25Db250ZW50P3htbGlkPTk3ODA1OTYxNTgxODcvc2VjLWludHJvLVByZWNlZGVudHM=
 )
 I see a link to a paper with a familiar name:

 The Venti Filesystem, (Plan 9), Bell Labs,
 http://www.usenix.org/events/fast02/quinlan/quinlan_html/index.html
 The Bell Labs / Google Sean Quinlan is not the same as Our Sean Quinlan:

 http://en.oreilly.com/velocity2008/public/schedule/speaker/26232

 Different resume; seems to be a decade or more older.

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Re: [Boston.pm] (somewhat OT) question on job levels

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Tom Metro wrote:
 Adam Russell wrote:
 I am trying to help a friend find gainful employment.
 To that end I have been helping him sift through job
 listings.
 
 Sift seems to imply that there are a lot. :-)
 
 
 I have noticed is that my understanding of job levels
 is somewhat off. For example, I see job listings for a
 senior developer with 5-7 years experience.
 
 I too was surprised when I first saw such a specification 10+ years ago,
 but it seems to be typical. I've seen senior specified with as few as
 3 years, though 5+ is typical.
 
 Consider, though, that this often means 5+ years with the specific
 language or skill being requested. Most hiring managers looking for a
 Java developer will consider a guy with 15 years of COBOL, but only 2
 years of Java, a junior developer.
 

Or you can see requests for a Senior Java programmer with 10 years of
experience, in 2002 - I have. And I did not miss a chance to point
out... *cough* that I started working with Java Beta 2, and I could only
claim 6.

 There's a lot of technological turnover in software engineering,
 obviously, and as the technologies shift, engineers get thrown back down
 the career ladder.
 

Only if you let them do that, and if there are enough floating bodies to
allow them the latitude.  Most of the time, HR is busy pointing out what
is wrong with the candidate.  They would meet a Ph.D, ask for someone
young - get a hotshot, ask for experience.

It is the game, they need to drive your price down, and circular logic
does not bother them. See Dilbert's famous cartoon I have invented a
time machine and a serum of longevity, and have 200 years of UNIX
experience - Catbert had a problem with that candidate, too.


Best -F

 
 I am at a senior level with my current company and if
 I stick around Principle is probably at *least* 5
 years away. I currently have 11 years experience.
 
 People seem to operate as if there is an industry standard for these
 levels, and as far as I've seen, there isn't. I sometimes wonder how
 sites like salary.com can neatly fit each job into a category and level.
 I assume they're doing a lot of fuzzy matching.
 
 Even if you can factor out some averages for these levels, they're going
 to be different for large vs. small organizations, and as Bill
 mentioned, boom times (when labor supply is tight) vs. slow times (when
 cash for raises is tight).
 
 
 So for someone writing code(hopefully mostly Perl!) for
 a living should expect what sort of career trajectory?
 Do all programmers wind up hitting a corporate wall(age-ism?) and end
 up contracting?
 
 It seems only a tiny percentage of companies (Intel, for example) see
 engineers as capable of moving into the executive ranks.
 
 If you're equating career path with increasing pay, and you want to
 remain a coder, you either need to aim for acquiring a small handful of
 highly demanded specialized skills that take many years to acquire, or
 you create a start-up and become a hands-on CTO (eventually shifting
 into some less executive-oriented position, like chief scientist or
 similar, as the organization grows).
 
 Otherwise if you can leave coding behind, you go the usual management
 route, get an MBA, etc. Some transition to sales engineers and move up
 the ranks from there.
 
  -Tom
 


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Re: [Boston.pm] schwag for next meeting

[Federico Lucifredi]

Matthew J Brooks wrote:

 But then that got me thinking... How about a Camel Book Toss? ;)
 
 Basically, whoever can toss their copy of Programming Perl the farthest
 [...]

Heathen!

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Re: [Boston.pm] schwag for next meeting

[Federico Lucifredi]

Steve Scaffidi wrote:

[...]
 
 I actually *do* own a copy of Programming Python which I'd be *happy* to
 sacrifice, um, *offer* for this worthy cause!
 
 That book weighs a ton, and it was next to useless to me when I learned and
 worked with Python last year.

I actually had the same thought when I saw this thread. Lutz's book is
the most throwable O'Reilly, both in mass and uselessness. The smaller
books on... the subject are much better (but I still can't really get
myself past the indentation, I guess one could call it Make Tab Syndrome).

 Best-F

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Re: [Boston.pm] schwag for next meeting

[Federico Lucifredi]

As one of the reviewers for Automating System Administration with Perl,
I can only rabidly recommend the work as some of the best I have seen
lately on both subjects (Perl and System Administration).

Best-F

Uri Guttman wrote:
 hi all,
 
 o'reilly sent me some new books to give out at our next meeting. i have
 2 copies of the second edition of system administration with perl. it is
 written by david blank-edelman who teaches at northeastern. i heard
 something that he may even want to give a talk to us about the
 book. bill or i will look into that more.
 
 the other book (1 copy) is the regular expressions cookbook. it has
 'detailed solutions in eight programming languages'. those are c#,
 vb.crap, java, javascript, perl, python, ruby and php. as with other
 cookbooks it is organized by recipes which shows the regex solution to a
 problem and then all the variations needed for the different langs.
 
 so we will have to come up with a way to award these books to worthy
 pm'ers. any ideas are welcome.
 
 thanx,
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] (somewhat OT) question on job levels

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Bill Ricker wrote:

 (yes, that makes me a unix grey beard)

We already knew of your secret identity!

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Re: [Boston.pm] Hacking the WD Mybook 2 with Perl

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Thanks Tom!

 Best -F

Tom Metro wrote:
 Hacking the WD Mybook 2 with Perl
   - Building a cheap and very compact Linux NAS appliance
   - Polishing it with Perl glue

 I am using Perl glue to put together a cheap and small Linux NAS
 from the Western Digital Mybook II - there are a bunch of hackers
 doing this, but I wanted mine to have a certain detail and so
 some scripting here and there was required to make it happen -
 obviously in Perl.
 
 I see the July 2009 issue of Linux Journal includes the article
 Hacking Your Portable Linux Server by Federico Lucifredi.
 Congratulations on getting it published.
 
 I'd include a link to it, but Linux Journal has a policy of delaying the
 free publication of articles online. They don't even have the July issue
 online for subscribers yet. But if your patient (currently the April
 issue is available for free), it'll eventually show up here:
 
 http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine
 
  -Tom
 


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Re: [Boston.pm] XUL outline or ppt : Larry's MIT talk

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Ricker, William wrote:
  
 So the reason why I like the idea of these systems 
 based on XUL is that they are web-friendly, there is a single format 
 for everyone,
 
 Good
 
  and I can just type down the text and it gets aligned for me.
 
 What tool are you looking at? 
 (The raw xul makes html+css look good.)

The best I have so far is:

http://blog.seesaw.it/articles/2006/11/06/a-quick-way-to-make-a-slideshow

(there is a link to an XUL presentation that will load directly in
firefox on the page).

 
 I am not so much against Powerpoint as much as
  pro-outliners, 
 
 Outliners are good for organizing thoughts, not so good for
 communicating
 
 especially text-based outliners.
 
 
 Have you seen a good text outliner since DynoNotePad ?

I do not use much - I inherently am very strict on my text layouts, so
Sticky Notes or TextMate are enough for me right now :)

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Re: [Boston.pm] Larry's MIT talk

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Sartak wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Stephen Jarjoura st...@runester.com wrote:
 I enjoyed the great deal of humor, including the inside jokes. And, if there
 were 120..150 people present, then that's also the approximate card count
 for his slide deck.
 
 He actually had nearly 500 slides.

And all in XUL, allegedly :-)

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Re: [Boston.pm] Larry's MIT talk

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Ricker, William wrote:
 He actually had nearly 500 slides.
 And all in XUL, allegedly :-)
 
 There are a couple Perl based tools to generate Xul slideshows from an 
 outline.  I hope he used one of those, would like to know which. Probably can 
 find out with google-fu, we won't be the first to ask. 
 

I have been looking but all I can find is the Takahashi-style site in
Japanese (or the link previously on this list to an .it site). I can
also found multiple uses of the engine, but no mention of generators
yet... so pointers welcome!

 When the toolchain and minimalist stye is considered, it's more of an 
 animated outline and visual accompaniment than a traditional Death by 
 PowerPoint. 
 Bill, typing with thumbs

True, but I have not yet done a single animated slide in my life.
Bullets, code and occasionally pictures slapped on a background are all
I need. If I can start writing my slides in text templates, my personal
satisfaction with not having to ever look at Powerpoint or OO junk would
be great.

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Re: [Boston.pm] official event page for larry's talk

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Uri Guttman wrote:
 sipb finally sent me a url for the official event with larry's
 talk. spread this url around and stop asking me about it! :)
 
   http://events.mit.edu/event.html?id=10548538date=2009/4/1
 
 uri
 

I also got an official announcement from the HCS gang:

HCS is inviting Larry Wall, legendary inventor of Perl, to Harvard on
Tuesday 3/31.
Come to Science Center Hall D at 5:30PM
for an unedited version of the history of Perl, its current development,
and much wit and panache.
__

Larry Wall was educated at various places including the Cornish School
of Music, the Seattle Youth Symphony, Seattle Pacific University,
Multnomah School of the Bible, SIL International, U.C. Berkeley, and
UCLA.  Though trained primarily in music, chemistry, and linguistics,
Larry has been working with computers for the last 35 years or so. He is
most famous for writing _rn_, _patch_, and the Perl programming
language, but prefers to think of himself as a cultural hacker whose
vocation in life is to bring a bit of joy into the dreary existence of
programmers.  For various definitions of work for, Larry has worked
for Seattle Pacific, MusiComedy Northwest, System Development
Corporation, Burroughs, Unisys, the NSA, Telos, ConTel, GTE, JPL,
NetLabs, Seagate, Tim O'Reilly, the Perl Foundation, and himself. Larry
is currently employed by NetLogic Microsystems in Mountain View,
California.  To get to work, he walks past both the Computer History
Museum and the Googleplex, which must mean something.  Preferably
something absurd.
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Re: [Boston.pm] Fwd: [abcd] Can anyone give me details on Larry Wall at the Science Center on 3/31?

[Federico Lucifredi]

Nice to have confirmation - the announcement I had did not include the
title, although it would have been interesting if Larry were to give
different talks :)

 Best -F

Bill Ricker wrote:
 Thanks for the forward, that confirms the topic is same as the next day's
 talk at MIT.
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Bob Freeman 
 bobfreema...@speakeasy.netwrote:
 
 The low-down on the HU Larry Wall talk.

 Cheers!
 Bob

 Begin forwarded message:

  From: Greg Brockman brock...@hcs.harvard.edu
 Date: March 26, 2009 5:27:43 PM EDT
 To: Philip Durbin pdur...@hmdc.harvard.edu
 Cc: Freeman, Robert M. r...@hms.harvard.edu, a...@abcd.harvard.edu 
 a...@abcd.harvard.edu
 Subject: Re: [abcd] Can anyone give me details on Larry Wall at the
 Science Center on 3/31?

 Hello,

 The talk is being sponsored by the Harvard Computer Society and SEAS,
 and everyone is more than welcome to attend.  The title is The Art of
 Ballistic Programming, which certainly seems to foreshadow a great
 talk.  The relevant location info:

 Science Center Hall D
 5:30 P.M. on Tuesday, 3/31

 FYI, the talk at MIT is real.  He's essentially doing a lecture series
 with us, MIT, and Yale.  Hope to see you there!

 Sincerely,

 Greg

 Philip Durbin wrote:

 What is the title/topic? Who is sponsoring it? Is it open for all?
 Can't seem to find anything on Harvard's websites or through its
 internal search engines.

 I found this, but I would also like to know if it's open for all.

 [HCS] Larry Wall - Inventor of Perl - on Tuesday 3/31

 http://lists.hcs.harvard.edu/pipermail/hcs-announce/2009-March/000327.html


 He's also giving a talk at MIT the next day (unless it's an April
 Fool's joke):

 http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/admin/minutes/minutes.2009-03-02

 The Art of Ballistic Programming . . .?

 Phil


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[Boston.pm] challenge: Python one-liner

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello guys,
 I just ran into this cute trick:

python -m SimpleHTTPServer

serves the current dir out on port 8000:
spaceman:bin lucifred$ python -m SimpleHTTPServer
Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000 ...
localhost - - [20/Mar/2009 14:32:55] code 404, message File not found
localhost - - [20/Mar/2009 14:32:55] GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1 404 -
164.99.130.79 - - [20/Mar/2009 14:33:01] GET / HTTP/1.1 200 -
164.99.130.79 - - [20/Mar/2009 14:33:01] code 404, message File not found
164.99.130.79 - - [20/Mar/2009 14:33:01] GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1 404 -

Suggestions for an equivalent Perl one-liner? Note that the python one
is out of the box (I did not need to install anything).

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Re: [Boston.pm] challenge: Python one-liner

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Charlie wrote:
 I'd call that a 0 liner.  Which makes it an installer challenge, not a 
 programming challenge.  What's the point?

It is just a clever hack to transfer files in a pinch.

Best-F
 
 
  Original message 
 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:36:42 -0400
 From: Federico Lucifredi flucifr...@acm.org  
 Subject: [Boston.pm] challenge: Python one-liner  
 To: Boston Perl Mongers boston...@pm.org

 Hello guys,
 I just ran into this cute trick:

 python -m SimpleHTTPServer

 serves the current dir out on port 8000:
 spaceman:bin lucifred$ python -m SimpleHTTPServer
 Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000 ...
 localhost - - [20/Mar/2009 14:32:55] code 404, message File not found
 localhost - - [20/Mar/2009 14:32:55] GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1 404 -
 164.99.130.79 - - [20/Mar/2009 14:33:01] GET / HTTP/1.1 200 -
 164.99.130.79 - - [20/Mar/2009 14:33:01] code 404, message File not found
 164.99.130.79 - - [20/Mar/2009 14:33:01] GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1 404 -

 Suggestions for an equivalent Perl one-liner? Note that the python one
 is out of the box (I did not need to install anything).

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Re: [Boston.pm] challenge: Python one-liner

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Ricker, William wrote:
 # python -m SimpleHTTPServer
 serves the current dir out on port 8000:
 
 So Python ships with a one-line security breach? 

I can confirm that sir :)

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[Boston.pm] [Fwd: [HCS] Larry Wall - Inventor of Perl - on Tuesday 3/31]

[Federico Lucifredi]

Larry will be speaking in Harvard's Science Center D, 5:30 pm on Tuesday
3/31. This is one of the largest amphitheater classes Harvard has, so I
politely suggest the local Perl Monger chapter help fill it up :-)

What else to say?  read the HCS announcement in attach if you need to
know more :)

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Re: [Boston.pm] [Fwd: [HCS] Larry Wall - Inventor of Perl - onTuesday 3/31]

[Federico Lucifredi]

Uri Guttman wrote:
 i just called sipb and they confirmed the talk. it is not up on their
 site yet (and may not be ever, they don't sponsor talks too often).
 
 april 1, 4:30pm room 34-101
 
 i should be able to make it there. and that leaves time for a dinner
 afterwards. but i bet sipb is going to do that but maybe some of us
 could crash it. :) more when i hear back from larry.
 
 i will be writing to sipb's general email and asking what social plans
 they may have.

But if you did that, you would be missing out on the Powershell talk at
Microsoft that will start at 6 pm :)

Sorry, I could not resist.

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Re: [Boston.pm] Git workshop for April

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Shiny ponies! I like those!

Will be there if I do not get booked for some exotic locale like Provo, UT.

Best -F

Steve Scaffidi wrote:
 Since the March meeting is almost upon us, I just wanted to start discussion
 on what people would like to do vis-a-vis git.
 
 My idea is pretty simple - I would like to do a tutorial-style workshop
 where people can follow along on their laptops to use git and see it in
 action.
 
 I would cover the following:
 
   -  Core concepts (~15 min)
 - the creation of git (who why etc)
 - the Zen of git - unlearn what you know
 - git terminology
   - local vs remote repos
   - origin, head, master, checkout/commit vs pull/push
 - how git is related to traditional version control systems (TVCS)
 - what git does better than TVCS
 - what git doesn't yet do better than TVCS
 
   - Getting started (~25 min)
 - starting a new project with git
 - getting an existing project into git (one that isn't already using
 source control)
 - making your own private remote repository
   - NOTE: making a repo public is really something to be left for
 another day
   - HOWEVER, I would mention that it's insanely simple and flexible.
 
   - Working alone with git (~20 min)
 - getting code from an existing git repo (for example perl!)
 - hack hack hack
 - commit hack commit hack
 - commit push hack commit hack commit push
 
 - Working with others with git, the traditional way (~20 min)
   - you pull from the repo
   - someone else pulls from the repo
   - you're both pushing... how to keep in synch
 
 Anyhow... I obviously need to plan this carefully. There's a lot of
 information, but using git is surprisingly straight-forward...
 
 I know that the basics of getting started and using it for real work can be
 covered in one meeting. It's just a matter of avoiding all the git fanboi
 hype OMG linus! shiny! ponies! and instead focusing on when you want to
 get X done with TVCS, you do Z with git :)
 
 
 
 Shortly before the meeting I could send an email to this list showing people
 where to get git for their chosen platforms, perhaps with install
 instructions... that will save time for instruction :)
 


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Re: [Boston.pm] debugging CPAN Shell

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Bill Ricker wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM, David Golden xda...@gmail.com wrote:
 And isn't a WD Mybook a hard drive?
 
 with a linux to interface between the disk and the USb apparently,
 which is why he's presenting his use of Perl on whis customization to
 Boston.PM in March.
 

Even better, it is the model with a network interface, and once you
break in, a full Linux system is waiting inside. Hint hint :-)

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Re: [Boston.pm] debugging CPAN Shell

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David Golden wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Federico Lucifredi flucifr...@acm.org
 mailto:flucifr...@acm.org wrote:
 
 Hello Gents,
  I am trying to run the CPAN shell in a WD Mybook II (29 MB of Ram). It
 hangs ignominiously.
 
 
 What's your 'perl -V' output?  What version of CPAN.pm?  What is in your
 CPAN configuration file?  What is on screen when it hangs? 

This is perl, v5.8.8 built for armv5tejl-linux


[r...@lander ~]# perl -MCPAN -e 'print $CPAN::VERSION';
1.7602
 
 It's a little hard to give hints on debugging until you give a few more
 hints about your setup.
 
 :-)

The machine has 32MB of RAM, plenty of space on the system partition.

Memory is a mess. Free gives this picture:

[flucifr...@filer ~]$ free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:29 27  1  0  5  6
-/+ buffers/cache: 15 13
Swap:  101  0101
[flucifr...@filer ~]$


 
 And isn't a WD Mybook a hard drive? I'm not sure that would have much
 impact on the CPAN shell, anyway

A hard drive with a 98 Bogomips ARM core hidden inside :-)

 
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Re: [Boston.pm] debugging CPAN Shell

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David Cantrell wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:12:07PM -0500, Bill Ricker wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM, David Golden xda...@gmail.com wrote:
 And isn't a WD Mybook a hard drive?
 with a linux to interface between the disk and the USb apparently,
 which is why he's presenting his use of Perl on whis customization to
 Boston.PM in March.
 
 In that case, I would first look at whether perl is running out of
 memory and so Linux kills the process.  29MB really isn't a lot for
 something like CPAN.pm, and I assume that there's no swap space
 available because that would waste valuable disk space.  Perhaps you
 can create a swap file.
 
 And now I have to hack my Mybook Studio II if I can ...
 

Timeout for inactivity during Makefile.PL? [0]


If you're accessing the net via proxies, you can specify them in the
CPAN configuration or via environment variables. The variable in
the $CPAN::Config takes precedence.

Your ftp_proxy?
Your http_proxy?
Your no_proxy?
You have no /root/.cpan/sources/MIRRORED.BY
  I'm trying to fetch one
LWP not available
CPAN: Net::FTP loaded ok
Fetching with Net::FTP:
  ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/MIRRORED.BY
Timeout at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm line 503
[r...@filer ~]# which ftp
[r...@filer ~]#


Oops. No ftp. But there is wget on the system.

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Re: [Boston.pm] debugging CPAN Shell

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David Golden wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Federico Lucifredi flucifr...@acm.orgwrote:
 
 [r...@lander ~]# perl -MCPAN -e 'print $CPAN::VERSION';
 1.7602

 
 That's pretty dated.  Without knowing more about where it got hung up, I'd
 suggest upgrading that first.  You might need to download and install the
 tarball manually.
 
 The other email showed an FTP timeout during what looks like configuration.
 Was that the hang you meant?  You might just upload a configuration file
 manually if that seems to be the sticking point, or else manually edit the
 CPAN::Config .pm file with your wget program path.
 
 A hard drive with a 98 Bogomips ARM core hidden inside :-)
 
 Nice!  Can I ssh to it?  (To help with debugging, that is.)

You could, if I put it on the outside subnet. But right now, it looks
like it is hanging just because it is looking for an ftp client to use
to download the metadata. Once I fix that, we shall see what the next
hang is...

 Best -F
 
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[Boston.pm] debugging CPAN Shell

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Hello Gents,
 I am trying to run the CPAN shell in a WD Mybook II (29 MB of Ram). It
hangs ignominiously.

 Any hints as to why this may be - how to debug it ?

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[Boston.pm] [ot] Wide area bonjour

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Mongers,
 I am asking here because I am down to my last ounce of patience with
this. Anyone using wide-area Bonjour (i.e. mDNS publishing DNS UPDATE
messages to a remote Bind server) among the Mac users? Specifically,
under 10.5.x

 I have it working just fine on Windows, 10.4.x, and on my Avahi patches
which I am cleaning up right now. But 10.5 is just broken or something
changed and I am too stupid to figure it out - and it is driving me
batty like few technical things in recent memory.

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[Boston.pm] hacker-friendly alarm systems?

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Borderline off-topic...

Anyone has a good recommendation for a home security system that is 
friendly to getting poked around by enterprising geeks?


Hardware aside, and security aside, I seem to recall there were some 
home monitoring projects based on Perl - anyone familiar with these 
willing to comment on their being worth my ever diminishing free time?


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Re: [Boston.pm] Social - December 9 - Redbones

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Bill Ricker wrote:

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

so if you are planning on attending rsvp to the list so we
can get a count.



$Count++; #  me in for beer if not bbq
$Count++; #  Ron N (off-list)
$Count++; #  one Ubuntista likely (not on list)



+ One Suse-ista as well :-)

Best -F

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[Boston.pm] pretty-printing

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello fellow Mongers,
 My memory chips are malfunctioning today, and I may have asked this 
before. I remember there were a few good tricks to properly print 
quantities like One foobar, Twelve foobars, and 123 foobars, one 
of which authored by The Damian himself.


Can I get a hit of the clue stick?

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Re: [Boston.pm] a new perl book

[Federico Lucifredi]

Speaking of new Perl books,
 brian d foy's latest  greatest is out as of last week:

 Mastering Perl - O'Reilly

 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596527242/

 I had it on my preorder list and was not disappointed :-)

 Best -F


BETSEY DYER wrote:
   I have been one of the listeners on your list for the last few years 
 and I think posted only once. At the time it was about a book I was 
 writing with a computer science colleague on teaching perl for the 
 purpose of analyzing DNA strings. (=bioinformatics or genomics) We 
 thought there was a need for such a book and actually we teach a 
 course on it. And I am a Biologist who collaborates in Genomics with 
 CS folks.
 
 So anyway--the book is out!
 It is called
 Perl for DNA
 Oxford U Press
 (and we negotiated hard to make it a pretty low price $29)
 
 AND this is kind of a long shot because I know this is a list for 
 professionals who might not be intersted in a book like this for 
 novice programmers but
 
 (just delete)
 
 If someone on the list feels like maybe reading the book and  writing 
 a little review on perlmongers, well--let me know and I will get you 
 a copy gratis.(I will need actual paper mailing address)(Probably 
 this wont happen but if bunches of people respond-I may just have to 
 go with 1 or 2--but it reality maybe there will be silence (or the 
 sounds of many people deleting this email)--and that's ok too)
 
 One little (possibly) intriguing feature of the book is that because 
 it was co-authored by a biologist (me)  it is full of little 
 observations, digressions, and deconstructions--kind of a biologists 
 view of the perl world and strings and linguistics and beauty and 
 truth  and even larry himself and others.
 
 It is NOT a perl bible- (that would be the camel book)  and it is not 
 for experts. Rather it is a friendly inviting (somewhat 
 unconventional) approach for biologists who who like string searching 
 and want to try some themselves.
 
 Betsey
 


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Re: [Boston.pm] damian meeting recap

[Federico Lucifredi]

Well, damian is always an event =)

Now, Bill, where are those pictures ? ;-)

  Best -Federico

Uri Guttman wrote:
 hi all,
 
 there was a massive turnout tonight for damian's talks. i counted 77
 mongers and guests and only about 45-50 sent in rsvps! the rest of you
 should be very ashamed of yourselves as we did sorta run out of pizza!
 18 pies was the order for an estimated 50+. so you who didn't rsvp and
 ate pizza stole it from the starving mouths of those who showed up a bit
 late and did rsvp! next time, do the right thing and rsvp so we order
 the right amount. now on to more nice things. :)
 
 thanx to the primary sponsors, greg london and richard morse. with their
 donations and hat passing we collected about $370 and our pizza expense
 was about $280 so the rest will go to tpf.
 
 thanx to those who brought drinks, paper goods and foil. and to those
 who helped set up the pizza tables. and to that solo guy who was
 cleaning up while damian started his second talk.
 
 thanx to those silly foil hat contestants. we will have to put some of
 those pix on our wiki. some of the foil hats were very cute and
 functional! some of you should go become milleners (see danny kaye in
 secret life of walter mitty for a great song about that). and the
 casualty rate was very low for a damian talk so the hat protection
 factors were high.
 
 thanx to bestfriendscocoa.com (hey, i gotta plug the wife's biz!) for
 donating the prizes for the hat contest. get some for the fall/winter
 weather. makes a great ice breaker at naughty parties!
 
 thanx to all the attendees for laughing constantly throughout the
 talks. most of you couldn't help it so that is understandable. :)
 
 thanx to damian for always giving us a talk when he is in town and for
 tonight's mind melting and patented CXAP. now that most of you have seen
 it, his pun on google's name is amazing to me in that no one has ever
 (to my knowledge) made it before.
 
 thanx to bill ricker for helping damian setup and for driving him home
 after damian drove us nutso.
 
 all in all a very fun and successful evening. hopefully many of you will
 come to other boston perl monger meetings where we don't have such
 famous speakers and just talk perl stuff. we do have some very
 interesting talks so come on down!
 
 thanx,
 
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[Boston.pm] pretty-printing messages

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hey Guys and Gals,
 can anyone remind me how that pretty-printing module that El Damian
showcased the other year was called?

 It was able to handle plurals (x file/s deleted), even irregular
ones, among the many things ;-)

 I am not sure if it was the same module, but it certainly was the same
talk, where he showcased executable comments that carried their own
weight to quote his joke.

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[Boston.pm] pretty-printing messages

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hey Guys and Gals,
 can anyone remind me how that pretty-printing module that El Damian
showcased the other year was called?

 It was able to handle plurals (x file/s deleted), even irregular
ones, among the many things ;-)

 I am not sure if it was the same module, but it certainly was the same
talk, where he showcased executable comments that carried their own
weight to quote his joke.

 best -f

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Re: [Boston.pm] Off topic: C question

[Federico Lucifredi]

Greg,
  google for Varargs, and you will have your answer :)

  If memory serves me right, the Gnu C library manual (which you should
own, but is available in postscript at gnu.org) has a nice chapter on
them.

 best -f

On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 11:04 -0500, Greg London wrote:
 Off topic.
 
 Please reply offlist to
 email at greglondon dot com
 
 Sorry, but I need to get this working by Monday morning,
 and I'm out of people to ask.
 
 I need to write a function in C that wraps printf,
 passing printf all the parameters that got passed
 into the wrapper.
 
 In perl, it would look something like this:
 
 sub wrapper {
# preprocessing
print ( @_ );
# post processing
 }
 
 I cannot figure out how to do this in C.
 I've talked to a couple of coworkers and none
 of them knew how to do it, but none of them
 would say definitely that it was impossible
 to do, they just didn't know how to do it.
 
 Please reply offlist to
 email at greglondon dot com
 
 I'll buy pizza for one of the next monger meetings.
 
 Greg
 
 
 
  
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Re: [Boston.pm] More Perl Style

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Hello Uri,
 Thanks for the input. comments are below: 

 since @triggers must be the same length as @commands then use that fact:
 
   my @triggers = ('0') x @triggers ;

that's a good idea -- that I actually recently used. in this case I left
the list explicit b/c the triggers will not necessarily be always all of
the same value.

 i can't imagine ever doing a for loop on a flag. use flow control ops
 (last/next/redo)
 

That won't cut it here -- I want to finish up the current row ( the
inner ), and then terminate ( the outer ). last will only let me stop
now.

 then you loop over that in normal perl fashion:
 
   for my $cmd_data ( @commands ) {
 

eh. I must admit I was too lazy to remind myself of enough Perl to do a
structure at that time, but I am gladly doing it now :D


 i don't like the look of that. it isn't bad code but not my style. just
 think about the failure mode of the shell commands you are running. they
 may print nothing to stdout but something to stderr. that or die may
 catch it but it would be better to test $? and see what the process
 itself exited with. also some commands may return some error text in
 stdout. i would do it this way:
 
   my $result = `$cmd` ;
   $? == 0 or die could not execute command [$cmd]\n ;
 

This is a good idea, and in some cases I can also see adding another
field to the structure - to trigger a hlat on certain exit codes.

   if( $result == $trig ) {
 
   print ON_RED, $result, RESET, \t ;
   last ;
   }
   else {
   print $result, \t ;
   }
 

I went with a variant of this one as it seems the most elegant option
when having to retain setting the flag to terminate the outer loop. too
bad there isn't a last-outer-when-done-inner kind of thing :D

 that should be enough to keep you busy! :)

I'd say! Thanks for the advice, hopefully writing some perl every month
will keep my taste standards high and I will stop forgetting everything
about it every four months:D

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[Boston.pm] More Perl Style

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Guys,
 More Perl Style lessons for me, if anyone wants to chip in. Following
is the script on the chopping block today - in the comments the parts
that I did not manage to elegantize as much as I wanted.


use Term::ANSIColor  qw(:constants);
use strict;
 
#CONFIGURATION


my $timelen = 3;

my @commands = ( '/bin/netstat -ape | /usr/bin/wc -l',
 '/usr/bin/lsof | wc -l',
 '/bin/ps ax -L | wc -l' );

my @triggers = qw( 0 0 0);

#-
 
for(my $flag = 1; $flag;) #hate truth as a number...
 {
  my $date = `/bin/date -R`; #three lines seem much for this - any more
elegant way to chomp things up?
  chomp $date;
  print $date.\t\t;
 
  for (my $i = 0; $i  @commands; $i++)
   {
my $cmd = $commands[$i]; #I don't like these lookups, but I don't
see how to foreach this one
my $trig = $triggers[$i];
 
my $result = `$cmd` or die (could not execute command.$cmd.\n);
chomp $result;
$result == $trig  ?  print ON_RED, $result, RESET  :  print $result;
print \t;
 
$flag = 0 if ($result == $trig); # finish the internal round,
terminate the external. Any nicer way to do it ?
   }
   
  print \n;
 }


Hum - the mail client is insisting in wrapping at 80-chars - usually
nice but very appropriate to mess up things here :D

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Re: [Boston.pm] Combinatorics (Permutations

[Federico Lucifredi]

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 00:03 -0500, Federico Lucifredi wrote:
[...]
 the sub in an Iterator, it did not really answer what I wanted, so I
 wrote my own, and I am polishing my own.
 

your owning own own ? I think a YAWN might be in order. I am going to
bed 8)

-f



 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Permutation with Replacement considered harmful RE: Combinatorics

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello BIll!

I did not know you were a mathematician =)

 On The terminology point you mentioned, I must squarely place the blame
of the choice of words on the way Discrete Math is taught these days.
Standard texts refer to Permutation, Combination, Permutation with
Repetition, and Combination with Repetition. I have always seen it
framed this way, but I can agree readily with your point as when I
noticed that Mathworld was calling things differently, it seemed to make
more sense that way.

 If you have any hope of rectifying the issue, I recommend you look at
the relevant wikipedia page and submit corrections.


 The proper name for this in classic probability was Ordered Sampling
 from an Urn with Replacement; in modern linguistic combinatorics, it's
 more simply a String, as you've found.  

Which is a much better name for it. Anyhow, looking at the actual issue
at hand - the module. In my explorations of it, I have found that it
leves a bit to be desired in terms of performance -- generating the 65k
striungs possible in the (a b c d) alphabeth takes 10 minutes,
generating the 1'000'000 strings possible in ( a b c d e) takes 9 hours.
Obviously, something is going on.

I do not want to add frequency information, every symbol is equally
likely for me, and I would like to code up this in a way that (a) is
thread friendly, and (b), more importantly, is memory efficient, which
the module is not. 

 HUMOR
 If you don't need the weighting (frequency) feature, you could just use
 
   my $alphbet='aeiou';
   my $n=2;
   my @strings=grep { /[$alphabet]{$n}/ } 'a'x$n .. 'z'x$n;
   print @strings;
 
 but it's not very efficient for large values of n unless the alphabet is
 dense in a..z, nor for alphabets that aren't subsets of Ascii. Boosting
 $n=6 will run out of memory.  Switching to a for loop on the .. (which
 is optimized ) gets you partial results quickly
   my $ab=aeiou; 
   my $n=6; 
   for (q{a}x$n .. q{x}x$n) {
   next unless /[$ab]{$n}/;
   print;
   }
 but it takes quite a while to scan from au to ea, even on a
 gigahertz clock -- total elapsed time 5.5 minutes!  (If you only need to
 do it once, that's quicker than downloading a module .. but otherwise
 ..) So I guess having a module to build these makes good sense ... at
 least until Perl6 lets us run our regexes and parser rules backwards to
 generate strings.
 
 /HUMOR

I need to figure out a way to do it w/o using great amounts of ram,
sadly. Well, *need* is a strong word, but I would like to =)


 Have fun in Combinatorics land,

eheh - Actually, Combinatorics was the part of Discrete Math I liked the
least. but I have to say that calling them Permutations, Combinations
and Strings makes it more likable (the with repetition definition
never made sense on an instinctive level, although it is a correct
definition nonetheless)... by the way, what would a Combination with
Repetition be called ? humm - sounds like I have to review the
choose-pick notation.

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Re: [Boston.pm] Combinatorics

[Federico Lucifredi]

On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 23:00 -0500, Federico Lucifredi wrote:
 Hey Guys,
  Anyone has a good way to generate all combinations with repetitions
 starting from a give charset ?
 
  I was looking at Math::Combinatorics, but I was disappointed to learn
 that combinations are computed w/o repetition, which is the case I am
 looking at.

As usual, I managed to mix things up. What iI am looking for are
*Permutations* (_with_ repetition, that part I managed to write right).

HOUSTON! problem exists between chair and keyboard 8) 

Math::Combinatorics does provide such method, it is called strings()

 
  Any modules I missed ?
 
  -f
  

glad to help myself  -f



 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Turning to the Dark Side

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Perl Mongers,
  In the wake of Darth Vader's imminent rise to control of the Old Republic, I 
am about to turn to the dark side as well: I am embracing Python.

  Well, it is not quite so strong a committment (and it won't bring blockbuster 
movies around either I am afraid), I am quite simply likely to take a job at a 
company that uses it for test scripts, and I like to learn new things.

  So, my question is, as a Perl-minded script programmer, what do you think I 
will like, what will I dislike, and (perhaps most importantly) what is likely 
to trip me up ?

  Yes, yes I know -- I have to resist the dark side and use the force to bring 
about some Perl (possibly changing my name to Luke in the process ;-)

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Re: [Boston.pm] OT(very):VT-100 Project

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Guys,

 Dan's description of how to tell whether your VT100 was upgraded is
 correct, but it's not quite true that an upgraded one is at VT102 levels.
 There are firmware bugs in VT100's which are not fixed by the 'advanced
 video option' which made them support 132x24 and insert/delete line.
 Those are fixed in a real VT102.  (The response to a query for device ID
 is also different, but that's getting into the excessively arcane.)

The fact that so many people still remember these thigs is kinda scary...

-F


 
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Re: [Boston.pm] OT(very):VT-100 Project

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Hello Guys,

URI i have nightmares from my serial line days. so many years working on
URI them in so many ways. and of course with vt-100s all around.

How bad can that be =)

From Tom and Ben's comments, I gather it is a standard DB25 with a null modem 
I need. Doh - I expected something more exotic =) Now I am starting to feel 
old.. I actually know the cable to wire a VT-100...wait, I was born right 
about at the same time of that terminal!

The connector in the back looks like a plastic DB-25, so I guess that makes 
sense.

I'll bet that that is a piece of trivia that you never expected to need to
use again! :-)

eh. Not really... I think I have a few parallel thingys around (I use plenty of 
emulators in my embedded work, and the DB-25 cable seems to be popular in 
interfacing with them.

WILLIAMIt *is* that old. The VT100 used DB25 with proper DTE gender according
WILLIAMto the original standard. (Modems are DCEs, computers and terminals are
WILLIAMDTEs, by definition.)

Is proper DTE gender female ? or male? (BTW: how come so many people love Pcs 
For Everyone ?)


Someone asked if it is a 102... I think it is a plain 100 as far as I can 
remember. As I gather that the 102s had the same case but a different bezel, it 
should be easy to tell once I am home.

Thanks for the feedback guys -- I'll let you know how it works out.

 -Federico

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[Boston.pm] OT(very):VT-100 Project

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Mongers,
 please excuse my totally Perl-unrelated question, but I am sure more than a 
few of you will appreciate the idea: I want to get my working VT-100 connected 
to a Linux server to read e-mail in a *very* old style way ;-)

 I know everything I need about setting tty lines in Linux. What I do not know 
(and the expertise of the old timers here is the key) is what kind of cable to 
use to connect the darn thing... what is it called? Where do I find it? I can 
make one myself, but in that case I qould need a wiring diagram.

Any (non-void) pointers?

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Re: [Boston.pm] OT: O'Reilly

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Andy,

 I'm sorry I wasn't on this (off-topic) thread earlier, but I don't have
 time to read every mailing list every day. I do some casual Perl coding
 of my own and edited a few Perl books at O'Reilly in the past, but I'm
 not in the Perl loop these days. So I can't judge whether a particular
 book idea would interest the right editors here, but I don't mind people
 coming to me with proposals, and I can forward them to somebody if they
 look at all viable.

great - expect to hear a few questions from me then. I have to wrap up man 1.6, 
and then I will focus on finishing the proposal. 

 The proposals alias works, but it takes time and sometimes the person
 handling the alias has trouble deciding whom to send the proposal to.
 Still, if you list a language it will probably go to the right person.

The proposal email is fine, but I wanted to ask a few things *before* sending 
in the proposal.

 So far as I know, the O'Reilly editors take ideas from outsiders all the
 time, and are particularly willing to listen to outsiders who have some
 connection and some standing in the community. (Although the complex
 relationships between O'Reilly and some of the people on this list would
 be scary to try to elucidate.)

That's nice to hear - I was getting scared by some of the other replies ;)

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Re: [Boston.pm] OT: O'Reilly

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hey Ben,

 How do you feel when you have a nice process in place through
 which people are supposed to contact you, and customers keep on
 persisting in trying to get direct numbers to inside contacts?  I tend
 to get irritated by that, but YMMV.  Maybe a random editor will be
 like me, maybe not.


 I am not trying to go *around* the process, I am just trying to get some 
advice from someone more in the know than myself, and someone on the inside is 
ideal to answer two or three stoopid questions before I send things in through 
the appropriate official channels.

 I as asking because, yeah, I can also figure that chromatic and Rael are 
editors there, but I am, indeed, concerned about bugging them out of the blue. 
Enough said.

 You must have missed Brian's talk of 'bribing' two weeks ago -- I am not going 
that far (yet!) =)

 -Federico

PS: given how friendly the ppl at Pearson/AW seem to be, O'Reilly must really 
be under a deluge of proposals like Uri noted!

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Re: [Boston.pm] OT: O'Reilly

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Uri,

I have a bookish request: does anybody have an editorial contact at
O'Reilly I can exchange a few ideas with? I am cooking a proposal
for them and I need a few tips here and there.
 
   BT I'd start with http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/author/intro.html.

been there, done that. What I need is someone to talk to *before* I send them 
the proposal, hence my hope someone might have an editor's email.
 
 and contact manning.com as well. they are open to proposals too. if you
 can't find the contact i should have some info still.

I will keep that in mind, but right now I think this is such a fit for ORA that 
I have a hard time thinking of going to another publisher.

 -F

 
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Re: [Boston.pm] OT: O'Reilly

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Hello fellow Mongers,
 I have a bookish request: does anybody have an editorial contact at O'Reilly I 
can exchange a few ideas with? I am cooking a proposal for them and I need a 
few tips here and there.

 Best - Federico


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Re: [Boston.pm] Social Meeting Plans Tech Meeting Followup

[Federico Lucifredi]

Ronald J Kimball wrote:
About 25 people came to the tech meeting last night at BU.  brian d foy
presented his talk on Automating Software Releases, in which he told us
about release(1) and Module::Release.
 

I was held by my Harvard class yesterday, does anyone have notes on 
Brian's talk or are there any slides I can flip thru ?

   Best -F
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[Boston.pm] [OT] undefined symbols and ld

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Mongers,
   As the best *nix pool of knowledge in town revolves around here (at 
least, in my assessment), I will pose this question here:

I have had several runtime errors in the past several weeks due to 
unresolved symbols in C or C++ executables - missing library, I say, 
so I check with ldd and, sure enough, most of the time one of the 
dependencies has failed to resolve.  However, in some cases ldd *does* 
indicate that everything has resolved and *still* there are 
undefined/unresolved symbols in my way. What is this due to and how can 
I troubleshoot it ? Is there something I should read to further my 
knowledge of Unix library conventions?

So far, I have resolved these issues by guesstimating and it turned out 
(twice) that a library was missing, albeit ldd was not showing that... 
this is confusing me quite a bit.

Now I am looking at an executable that tells me that _ZN2Qt3redE is 
undefined, but ldd says, again, that all the libraries are there. I 
thought I had a library version issue, but that does not seem to be the 
case. How do I proceed ? Of course, I tried google and a grep -r of 
everything in sight, but found that symbol only in a handful of binaries 
and I have no clue as to what build options brought the thing there

Anybody willing to hit with the clue stick ?
   -Federico
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Re: [Boston.pm] OT: blosxom

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hey Greg,
 I have been using blosxom since one of the early imaginary number version 
releases (0.x+i). I strongly recommend it, it is essentially a clever perl 
script, very minimalistic, it builds on *NIX assumprions (as it should!), so 
that you simply create a text file in a certain directory, the first line 
becomes the title, the rest the body. You can do this via ssh (my favorite 
option), but many plugins exist to do it from any facility you might think of 
(and it is easy to write your own).

The date of the entry is taken from the system's file last modification. 

I have a little hack to pre-render things via lynx, but Rael incorporated a 
more flexible scheme doing the same thing into newer releases, so that you can 
have the script render once rather than per-each HTTP call, and serve the 
cached result. This is nice if you are expecting lots of traffic, of course, or 
if you run your webserver on a mac SE-30 as I do for a challenge =).

 Three thumbs up is my overall comment. I would tell you to go peek at my site, 
but I moved and it is still down.

 -Federico

 -Original Message-
 From: Greg London [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2004 06:34 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Boston.pm] OT:  blosxom
 
 
 my website is on Pair.
 I want to put a blog up on my site.
 Pair has blosxom on the list of tools they have.
 
 According to blosxom homepage, it's pure perl,
 so its sort of a on-topic question.
 
 Anyone know anything about blogging as far as
 which blogging software is good?
 Is it all a wash? Is blosxom any good?
 I've heard about Movable Type as another option.
 
 anyone in the know doing any blogging?
 
 Greg
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] OT: Recommendation for mail server?

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello,

  To round out the virtual user solution I implemented, I used MySQL for 
  the back-end database, Dovecot (http://www.dovecot.org/) for IMAP server 
  (I'd recommend avoiding POP3 if you can), and maildrop 
  (http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/) as the local delivery agent. 
  Though I'm not satisfied with maildrop and am working on a Perl-based 
  local delivery agent.

I also recently set up dovecot and higly recommend the sucker. simple and 
effective (unlike Sendmail, ARRGH!).

-Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] Timing out a long process and retaining the output

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Hello Ben,
 I am in a hurry and I am not so sure why you are evaling in there, but I definitely 
DO wonder why you are setting the alarm after what is the code that I imagine you want 
to time out ?

 -Federico 

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 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Boulanger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:28 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Boston.pm] Timing out a long process and retaining the output
 
 Hi everyone,
   I'm having a hard time locating the solution to what I hope is a 
 common/simple problem.  I'm trying to run a very lengthy process, stop it 
 about 60 seconds in and retain whatever output has been received at that 
 point.  The process is samba-tng's rpcclient pulling back the eventlog of 
 a windows NT system.  I've tried an eval, and for some reason it's not 
 timing that out.  Anyone have any ideas?
 
 Code is below:
 
 #!/usr/bin/perl -w
 use IO::Socket;
 
 STDOUT-autoflush();
 
 my $test;
 
 $SIG{ALRM} = sub { print $test\n; die 'died in eval\n'; };
 
 eval {
 
 open(CMD, /usr/local/samba/bin/rpcclient -S 172.21.173.230 -U 
 administrator\%itv -c 'eventlog system'|grep -B 2 -A 7 -i dac960nt|grep -e 
 '[0-9],[0-9],[0-9]'|);
 
 $test = test.;
 #my $total = 20;
 
 while (CMD) {
 $test .= $_;
 #$x++;
 #if ($x = $total) {
 #   close(CMD);
 #}
 }
 
 print $test;
 alarm(10);
 };
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Re: randal talk social

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Mongers,
 (Bows in the presence of _The Master_)

 Yeah, those are just the newest latest things I've written.  I can also
 do the classic intro to objects in 90 minutes (the perlboot talk),
 or a short talk on using Test::More, or any of another dozen things that
 I seem to be known as an expert on. :)

Humm, Actually I would not mind hearing randal's take on objects. Might be the 
professor obsession in me, but...

Now I only have to see where I put my first edition learning Perl to have it 
autographed 8)

 -Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] Meeting topic?

[Federico Lucifredi]

 I can suggest a topic that I'd like to hear, in case there are any mongers
 who'd like to talk on it: POE--perl object environment.
 I'm thinking of using it and would love to hear case stories from any who
 have -- both pleasures and pitfalls.

Hate to open a me too thread, but I actually second that.

-Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] Is there a module to access memory usage?

[Federico Lucifredi]

  I need to write a script that will return how much memory (RAM) is on
a
 system as well as how much of it is being used. Can anyone assist?

If this is done under UNIX/Linux, it might be easier than you think: just
poke around the proc filesystem and you might find that all you need is
really there

-Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] Is there a module to access memory usage?

[Federico Lucifredi]

Fellow Speakeasy User Mike Burns wrote:

  If this is done under UNIX/Linux, it might be easier than you think:
just
 
  poke around the proc filesystem and you might find that all you need is
  really there

Hey pal, I did not guarantee it for *all* variants.. I said you *might* find
it there.  But I have to say I was surprised
a bit, I knew Solaris did not have it, but never noticed that my (net)BSDs
were lacking it. Is meminfo actually exclusive to Linux only ? If that is
the case, one more mark in my list of small superior (convenient?) features
for the penguin OS.

Then again, perhaps that is one feature I would like to patch into
NetBSD So many projects, so little time *sigh*

-F


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% uname -a
 FreeBSD long.example.org 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb
 23 20:45:55 GMT 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% ls /proc
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~%

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% uname -a
 OpenBSD lube.example.org 3.4 GENERIC#0 i386
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% ls /proc
 ls: /proc: No such file or directory
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~%

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% uname -a
 SunOS russian.example.org 5.9 Generic_112233-12 sun4u sparc
 UNW,Sun-Blade-1500
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% ls /proc
 0/  136/17457/  177/  220/245/  290/  306/  368/  8730/
 1/  139/17458/  183/  22788/  252/  296/  309/  369/  8914/
 12971/  13999/  17460/  189/  233/268/  297/  326/  371/  8916/
 12978/  149/17462/  2/241/270/  3/334/  49/   8918/
 12980/  165/17471/  202/  242/272/  301/  344/  59/

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Re: [Boston.pm] Embedding Perl

[Federico Lucifredi]

 Poking at the memory space of an executable is not a good idea (tm).

Confucious Say: He who likes to poke at protected memory likes to live on
the edge =)

Thanks for the comment. I will check out SWIG.

-Federico

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[Boston.pm] Embedding Perl

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello Fellow Mongers,
I just returned to Boston, and I am looking forward to see Damian
tomorrow. In the meantime, here is a question worthy of you:

I have been asked to provide scripting capability into a Qt application
(essentially, the reverse of what I have shown you in my talk a couple of
years ago), and was thinking of embedding Perl into their program as a
solution. I have two questions in the matter, as I have never tried this
particular magic Perl spell:

What kind of access will the scripts have to the proper C++ variables?
Can these be objects or have to be static ? Or is it simply madness to poke
at data that way (my take) and the best approach is to pass a data block to
a Perl function from C++, then retrieve the results from that same memory
area (or another one, but still allocated by C++).

The person badgering me with this problem seems to think it is possible
to poke at the memory space of an executable from another one (the
standalone perl interpreter) and live happily everafter. Now, I know Perl is
full of wonderous surprises, but unless it bends even standard Unix Kernel
memory protection, it seems to me the best way to go is embedding.

Should I check out other spell books other than perlembed? As far as I know,
that's the only way to go, but perhaps there are *other* ways to embed Perl
(No Dan, don't get started on Parrot jst yet ;-)

-Federico

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[Boston.pm] OT: DSL service in NE

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello All,
I am asking for a quick word of advice on DSL service in New England...
is it currently possible to get a DSL line hooked up without the extra 30$
cost of the Verizon phone line typically associated with it? I guess the
answer is no, but one of you mongers might just have figured out a way
around it... I think I am not the only one that would be happy with just
cellular service for voice and DSL at home for data =)

Besides, if you really needed lots of voice traffic, you could just hook up
Vonage onto the DSL...

-Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] Completing processing before SIGHUP

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello There,

 The book also states that you can not  IGNORE or trap a A KILL or STOP
 signal.  Is it still the case with Perl 5.8 and Linux kernel 2.4x?

That's a fact of *NIX life I am afraid: KILL is unstoppable (ignore), as is
SIGSTOP - they provide the user/admin with a surefire way of either killing
or stopping a process --Stevens.

And, as catching these would also enable you to ignore them, you cannot do
that either!

I did not read the whole thread, but if you are doing more than just
handling error conditions/froceful termination from the kernel, you should
be aware that signals hanve slightly different behaviors across the *NIX
spectrum. This is particularly relevant if you take to blocking them, or if
you want them to interrupt/restart the so called slow system calls.

-Federico


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Re: [Boston.pm] Completing processing before SIGHUP

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello There,

 The book also states that you can not  IGNORE or trap a A KILL or STOP
 signal.  Is it still the case with Perl 5.8 and Linux kernel 2.4x?

That's a fact of *NIX life I am afraid: KILL is unstoppable (ignore), as is
SIGSTOP - they provide the user/admin with a surefire way of either killing
or stopping a process --Stevens.

And, as catching these would also enable you to ignore them, you cannot do
that either!

I did not read the whole thread, but if you are doing more than just
handling error conditions/froceful termination from the kernel, you should
be aware that signals hanve slightly different behaviors across the *NIX
spectrum. This is particularly relevant if you take to blocking them, or if
you want them to interrupt/restart the so called slow system calls.

-Federico


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Re: [Boston.pm] Completing processing before SIGHUP

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello There,

 The book also states that you can not  IGNORE or trap a A KILL or STOP
 signal.  Is it still the case with Perl 5.8 and Linux kernel 2.4x?

That's a fact of *NIX life I am afraid: KILL is unstoppable (ignore), as is
SIGSTOP - they provide the user/admin with a surefire way of either killing
or stopping a process --Stevens.

And, as catching these would also enable you to ignore them, you cannot do
that either!

I did not read the whole thread, but if you are doing more than just
handling error conditions/froceful termination from the kernel, you should
be aware that signals hanve slightly different behaviors across the *NIX
spectrum. This is particularly relevant if you take to blocking them, or if
you want them to interrupt/restart the so called slow system calls.

-Federico


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Re: [Boston.pm] Completing processing before SIGHUP

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello There,

 The book also states that you can not  IGNORE or trap a A KILL or STOP
 signal.  Is it still the case with Perl 5.8 and Linux kernel 2.4x?

That's a fact of *NIX life I am afraid: KILL is unstoppable (ignore), as is
SIGSTOP - they provide the user/admin with a surefire way of either killing
or stopping a process --Stevens.

And, as catching these would also enable you to ignore them, you cannot do
that either!

I did not read the whole thread, but if you are doing more than just
handling error conditions/froceful termination from the kernel, you should
be aware that signals hanve slightly different behaviors across the *NIX
spectrum. This is particularly relevant if you take to blocking them, or if
you want them to interrupt/restart the so called slow system calls.

-Federico

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- Original Message - 
From: Ranga Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Boston List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 0:34
Subject: Re: [Boston.pm] Completing processing before SIGHUP


 Thanks Andrew for the explanation... but

 I just read the signals section of Programming Perl 2nd edition (my
 precious book with Larry Walls autograph, camel stamp and TMTOWTDI stamp)
 which cautions against doing anything worthwhile after handling a signal,
 since the underlying C routines are not re-entrant on most platforms. In
 my case there is only one instance of the script required to run at any
 time (ha ha, soon there will pop up an exception!) , so it is OK.

 The book also states that you can not  IGNORE or trap a A KILL or STOP
 signal.  Is it still the case with Perl 5.8 and Linux kernel 2.4x?


 #+= Lastly #
 Ronald, Could we please set the Reply-To: to the mailing list address
 please, pretty please?
 ##
 Thanks




 Andrew Langmead [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 05/31/2004 04:59 PM

 To: Ranga Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc: Boston List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:Re: [Boston.pm] Completing processing before
 SIGHUP


 On May 31, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Ranga Nathan wrote:

  Andrew Langmead [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  You should probably get your hands on a copy of Advanced Programming in
  the UNIX Environment
  http://www.aw-bc.com/catalog/academic/product/0,,0201563177,00%2ben-
  USS_01DBC.html by  W. Richard Stevens. It is one of the best
  references I have seen for how the OS intereracts with applications for
  matters like this.

 [stuff deleted. I probably could have deleted the above too, but it is
 a great book and I wanted the opportunity to recommend it again.]

  You can set  your $SIG{HUP} handler in a manner like: my $hangup = 0;
  $SIG{HUP} = sub { $hangup=1 }; and then check if the value of $hangup
  changes.
 
  This implies that normal execution continues have the HUP is handled
  and
  it is the application responsibility to recognize the change to the
  variable. Am I reading it right? If so this is the exact behaviour I
  want.
  so long as the execution resumes after the signal handling, it is up to
  the application to do whatever it can to reach a stable state and then
  terminate.

 Yes. Nearly every signal can be blocked, caught, or left to its default
 action. The default action for most signals is to terminate the
 process, which is the behavior you are used to seeing.  If the signal
 is caught, the normal execution of your program is put aside, the
 signal handler run, and then you program resumes as normal. A signal
 handler  is sort of like a subroutine that your program ran but wasn't
 expecting. Or if you at all familiar with a lower level form of
 programming, signals and signal handlers act almost exactly like
 interrupt service routines that a hardware device driver would handle.

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[Boston.pm] [OT]: O'Reilly P2P 2001

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello fellow Boston-pmers,
I am seeking slides from a p2p-2001 conference presentation. Did any of
the brains(TM) on the list attend ?

Over and out! - Federico

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[Boston.pm] mangled: perllocal.pod

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello fellow Mongrels ;-)
I used a script (from CPAN, no less) to eradicate a few modules from my
install. It worked fine,  *but* perllocal.pod still lists the modules
(ehm...).

Should I just go in there and wipe the mess myself or is there a way to
tell perl to rebuild perllocal.pod ?

-Federico

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Re: [Boston.pm] mangled: perllocal.pod

[Federico Lucifredi]

Hello again,
Here it is - straight from the CPAN FAQ.

http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html#How_delete_Perl_modules

-Federico


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 I believe perllocal.pod is updated when installing modules with CPAN.
 I would then assume that no, there is no aoutmated way to clean
perllocal.pod
 (although it sounds like the script you used should have, you could always
 provide the author with a patch... it might also have been useful to give
the
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