Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Duane Bronson]

AWS (Amazon Web Services, Cloud Computing: Compute, Storage, Database) gives 
you a FREE virtual server with limited power, but it's probably good enough for 
boston.pm needs.  I've been using their free demo for my personal needs (git, 
network debugging, cron, perl) for a year or two now.  I still have to pay 
godaddy for my fancy domain name, but that's ~$10/year.

Duane

On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

 Not my kwiki! :P
 
 No emergency, I think we have a couple weeks still before we'd have to
 renew the old hosting if it isn't moved (one way or another).
 
 Cheers,
 Sean
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Sean, yes, we'll abandon your kwiki, and it looks like wikispaces a viable
 alternative.
 
 I can request PM.ORG move the DNS to refer to the new wikispaces
 moderately quickly, give me a few days before you have to pull the plug.
 What's the timeframe?
 
 Maria, i acknowledge the existing Calendar history scroll is crazy, it
 needed refactoring someday. I'm open to sensible suggestions how to
 reorganize it. Key to me is saving the history, the content. (Moving to a
 new wiki we break any deeplinks anyway, so no value to preserving
 structure.) If Wikispaces has good ways to announce coming events, go ahead
 and use them.
 
 You can add September meeting as a coming event, it will be Patching and
 Updating a CPAN Module with Bill and Tom.
 (-: Whether Tom can attend or not, he's co-maintainer :-)
 
 -- bill
 
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Sean,
 
 I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
 said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had
 thought
 do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
 members to sign up to this new site?
 
 I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
 working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
 step.
 
 I hope I answered your question.
 
 Best,
 Maria
 
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:
 
 Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
 boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
 it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post
 move. :)
 
 Cheers,
 Sean
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump
 start,
 I will take a close look soon.
 
 Maria
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Bill Ricker wrote:
 ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm
 there,
 just awaiting content.)
 
 pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
 
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
 Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
 conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom
 of
 my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
 forward.
 
 
 Maria Huang wrote:
 ...I think I can convert pages at home...
 
 Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was
 just
 an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for
 the
 group.
 
 I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to
 volunteers
 before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before
 committing to
 switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
 
 
 And any deadline for this?
 
 None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or
 eliminate
 his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
 wiki.
 
 
 And where is old wiki site?
 
 http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
 
 
 ...just need some instructions.
 
 The first step is to go to:
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
 and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
 membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
 
 I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
 Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal
 font
 that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
 combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare
 it to
 the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like
 that
 better.)
 
 I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
 pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our
 jobs
 posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
 Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
 flavor.
 
 I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
 display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It
 currently
 shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
 get it to pull in a page summary or 

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Sean Quinlan]

Sounds fine to me. Let me know if there is anything specific you need from
me. In the meantime I still have a bunch of sites to relocate over this
weekend and even if those all go well (fracking email, joomla, etc), I
still probably wouldn't get to boston.pm untill the following weekend at
very the earliest.

And if the new location isn't ready by the time I need to move it, that
isn't terrible. All of these shared hosting accounts are still on basically
the same version of perl, so it will _probably_ just work once restored
from backup, with maybe a few config/path updates.

But regardless, many thanks for all your help!

-Cheers,
Sean


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
 said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had thought
 do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
 members to sign up to this new site?

 I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
 working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
 step.

 I hope I answered your question.

 Best,
 Maria


 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

  Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
  boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
  it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post
  move. :)
 
  Cheers,
  Sean
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump start,
  I will take a close look soon.
 
  Maria
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Bill Ricker wrote:
   ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm
 there,
   just awaiting content.)
  
   pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
  
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
   conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom of
   my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
   forward.
  
  
   Maria Huang wrote:
   ...I think I can convert pages at home...
  
   Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was just
   an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for
 the
   group.
  
   I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to
 volunteers
   before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before committing
 to
   switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
  
  
   And any deadline for this?
  
   None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or eliminate
   his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
  wiki.
  
  
   And where is old wiki site?
  
   http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
  
  
   ...just need some instructions.
  
   The first step is to go to:
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
   membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
  
   I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
   Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal font
   that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
   combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare it
 to
   the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like
 that
   better.)
  
   I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
   pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our
 jobs
   posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
   Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
  flavor.
  
   I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
   display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It
 currently
   shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
   get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
  
   I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the
 section
   above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a template
   for that, and settle on a page name format.
  
   Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent
 revising
   the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
   customizing the menus, and making better use of the embedded widgets
   they offer, like to embed a Google Calendar.
  
   Looking at my notes from a prior conversation with Bill, this is the
   list of pages that need to be converted (most parenthetical comments
   from Bill):
  
   Home page (first draft done)
   MITDirections
   JobPostingPolicy
   IrcRoom
   BostonPMCalendar
   MongerLists
   Damian2006Mementos (with 

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Maria Huang]

Hi Bill,

I already added a new page: Meeting-2013-09-10 for the coming meeting.
Please see following link:
http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/Meeting-2013-09-10

Best,
Maria


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.

 Sean, yes, we'll abandon your kwiki, and it looks like wikispaces a viable
 alternative.

 I can request PM.ORG move the DNS to refer to the new wikispaces
 moderately quickly, give me a few days before you have to pull the plug.
 What's the timeframe?

 Maria, i acknowledge the existing Calendar history scroll is crazy, it
 needed refactoring someday. I'm open to sensible suggestions how to
 reorganize it. Key to me is saving the history, the content. (Moving to a
 new wiki we break any deeplinks anyway, so no value to preserving
 structure.) If Wikispaces has good ways to announce coming events, go ahead
 and use them.

 You can add September meeting as a coming event, it will be Patching and
 Updating a CPAN Module with Bill and Tom.
 (-: Whether Tom can attend or not, he's co-maintainer :-)

 -- bill



 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
 said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had
 thought
 do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
 members to sign up to this new site?

 I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
 working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
 step.

 I hope I answered your question.

 Best,
 Maria


 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

  Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
  boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
  it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post
  move. :)
 
  Cheers,
  Sean
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump
 start,
  I will take a close look soon.
 
  Maria
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Bill Ricker wrote:
   ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm
 there,
   just awaiting content.)
  
   pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
  
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
   conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom
 of
   my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
   forward.
  
  
   Maria Huang wrote:
   ...I think I can convert pages at home...
  
   Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was
 just
   an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for
 the
   group.
  
   I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to
 volunteers
   before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before
 committing to
   switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
  
  
   And any deadline for this?
  
   None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or
 eliminate
   his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
  wiki.
  
  
   And where is old wiki site?
  
   http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
  
  
   ...just need some instructions.
  
   The first step is to go to:
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
   membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
  
   I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
   Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal
 font
   that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
   combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare
 it to
   the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like
 that
   better.)
  
   I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
   pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our
 jobs
   posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
   Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
  flavor.
  
   I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
   display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It
 currently
   shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
   get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
  
   I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the
 section
   above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a
 template
   for that, and settle on a page name format.
  
   Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent
 revising
   the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less 

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Maria Huang]

I guess I like kiwi too much, I suppose to type kwiki, but I typed kiwiki
instead:)

Maria


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I am glad I can help a little, because I consider me a part of kiwi (Just
 kiding, kiwiki) group or new wikispaces for Boston.pm, and I should thank
 you guys for creating such a wonderful community!

 Cheers,
 Maria


 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

 Sounds fine to me. Let me know if there is anything specific you need
 from me. In the meantime I still have a bunch of sites to relocate over
 this weekend and even if those all go well (fracking email, joomla, etc), I
 still probably wouldn't get to boston.pm untill the following weekend at
 very the earliest.

 And if the new location isn't ready by the time I need to move it, that
 isn't terrible. All of these shared hosting accounts are still on basically
 the same version of perl, so it will _probably_ just work once restored
 from backup, with maybe a few config/path updates.

 But regardless, many thanks for all your help!

 -Cheers,
 Sean


 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
 said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had
 thought
 do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
 members to sign up to this new site?

 I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
 working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
 step.

 I hope I answered your question.

 Best,
 Maria


 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

  Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
  boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
  it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running
 post
  move. :)
 
  Cheers,
  Sean
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump
 start,
  I will take a close look soon.
 
  Maria
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Bill Ricker wrote:
   ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm
 there,
   just awaiting content.)
  
   pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
  
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
   conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom
 of
   my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move
 it
   forward.
  
  
   Maria Huang wrote:
   ...I think I can convert pages at home...
  
   Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was
 just
   an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for
 the
   group.
  
   I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to
 volunteers
   before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before
 committing to
   switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
  
  
   And any deadline for this?
  
   None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or
 eliminate
   his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our
 current
  wiki.
  
  
   And where is old wiki site?
  
   http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
  
  
   ...just need some instructions.
  
   The first step is to go to:
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then
 request
   membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
  
   I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
   Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal
 font
   that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
   combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare
 it to
   the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like
 that
   better.)
  
   I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
   pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our
 jobs
   posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
   Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
  flavor.
  
   I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
   display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It
 currently
   shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do
 to
   get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
  
   I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the
 section
   above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a
 template
   for that, and settle on a page name format.
  
   Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent
 revising
  

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Sean Quinlan]

Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but it's
one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post move. :)

Cheers,
Sean


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump start, I
 will take a close look soon.

 Maria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Bill Ricker wrote:
  ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm there,
  just awaiting content.)
 
  pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
 
  http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
  Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
  conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom of
  my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
  forward.
 
 
  Maria Huang wrote:
  ...I think I can convert pages at home...
 
  Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was just
  an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for the
  group.
 
  I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to volunteers
  before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before committing to
  switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
 
 
  And any deadline for this?
 
  None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or eliminate
  his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
 wiki.
 
 
  And where is old wiki site?
 
  http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
 
 
  ...just need some instructions.
 
  The first step is to go to:
  http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
  and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
  membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
 
  I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
  Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal font
  that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
  combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare it to
  the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like that
  better.)
 
  I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
  pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our jobs
  posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
  Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
 flavor.
 
  I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
  display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It currently
  shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
  get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
 
  I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the section
  above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a template
  for that, and settle on a page name format.
 
  Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent revising
  the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
  customizing the menus, and making better use of the embedded widgets
  they offer, like to embed a Google Calendar.
 
  Looking at my notes from a prior conversation with Bill, this is the
  list of pages that need to be converted (most parenthetical comments
  from Bill):
 
  Home page (first draft done)
  MITDirections
  JobPostingPolicy
  IrcRoom
  BostonPMCalendar
  MongerLists
  Damian2006Mementos (with images, historical)
  BostonPMHistory (historical; Add entry marking end of kwiki)
  TechMeetingTopics (idea queue)
 
  There is another 4 or 5 less important pages that should also be
  converted at some point.
 
  How the calendar gets handled needs discussion. Bill suggested The
  Calendar could reasonably get split into history-by-year pages to
  reduce max size. Or not. My first instinct would be to handle it the
  same way the Recent Meetings section is handled on the home page,
  using a widget that displays a list of pages matching a tag. This way
  the calendar page could have either a single widget or perhaps one per
  year, while each meeting then gets its own page.
 
  As for using Wikispaces itself, you can create a new page by:
  -typing in the URL where you would like it to be; it'll prompt you to
  create a new page;
  -create a link to the new page, then click on the link;
  -Select the Pages and Files menu option, and then click the new page
  button.
 
  In the upper right you'll find a Help link on every page, which will
  take you to extensive documentation on how to use Wikispaces. For the
  most part, due to the WYSIWYG editor, you won't need it. Occasionally it
  is helpful to modify the wiki markup text. To access that, click the
  down arrow next to the save button when editing a page, and choose
  Wikitext Editor.
 
  -Tom
 
  --
  Tom Metro
  Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA
  Enterprise solutions 

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Maria Huang]

Hi Sean,

I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had thought
do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
members to sign up to this new site?

I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
step.

I hope I answered your question.

Best,
Maria


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

 Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
 boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
 it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post
 move. :)

 Cheers,
 Sean


 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump start,
 I will take a close look soon.

 Maria

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Bill Ricker wrote:
  ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm there,
  just awaiting content.)
 
  pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
 
  http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
  Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
  conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom of
  my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
  forward.
 
 
  Maria Huang wrote:
  ...I think I can convert pages at home...
 
  Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was just
  an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for the
  group.
 
  I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to volunteers
  before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before committing to
  switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
 
 
  And any deadline for this?
 
  None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or eliminate
  his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
 wiki.
 
 
  And where is old wiki site?
 
  http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
 
 
  ...just need some instructions.
 
  The first step is to go to:
  http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
  and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
  membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
 
  I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
  Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal font
  that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
  combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare it to
  the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like that
  better.)
 
  I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
  pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our jobs
  posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
  Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
 flavor.
 
  I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
  display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It currently
  shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
  get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
 
  I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the section
  above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a template
  for that, and settle on a page name format.
 
  Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent revising
  the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
  customizing the menus, and making better use of the embedded widgets
  they offer, like to embed a Google Calendar.
 
  Looking at my notes from a prior conversation with Bill, this is the
  list of pages that need to be converted (most parenthetical comments
  from Bill):
 
  Home page (first draft done)
  MITDirections
  JobPostingPolicy
  IrcRoom
  BostonPMCalendar
  MongerLists
  Damian2006Mementos (with images, historical)
  BostonPMHistory (historical; Add entry marking end of kwiki)
  TechMeetingTopics (idea queue)
 
  There is another 4 or 5 less important pages that should also be
  converted at some point.
 
  How the calendar gets handled needs discussion. Bill suggested The
  Calendar could reasonably get split into history-by-year pages to
  reduce max size. Or not. My first instinct would be to handle it the
  same way the Recent Meetings section is handled on the home page,
  using a widget that displays a list of pages matching a tag. This way
  the calendar page could have either a single widget or perhaps one per
  year, while each meeting then gets its own page.
 
  As for using Wikispaces itself, you can create a new page by:
  -typing in the URL where you would like it to be; it'll prompt you to
  create a new page;
  

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Bill Ricker]

Hi.

Sean, yes, we'll abandon your kwiki, and it looks like wikispaces a viable
alternative.

I can request PM.ORG move the DNS to refer to the new wikispaces moderately
quickly, give me a few days before you have to pull the plug. What's the
timeframe?

Maria, i acknowledge the existing Calendar history scroll is crazy, it
needed refactoring someday. I'm open to sensible suggestions how to
reorganize it. Key to me is saving the history, the content. (Moving to a
new wiki we break any deeplinks anyway, so no value to preserving
structure.) If Wikispaces has good ways to announce coming events, go ahead
and use them.

You can add September meeting as a coming event, it will be Patching and
Updating a CPAN Module with Bill and Tom.
(-: Whether Tom can attend or not, he's co-maintainer :-)

-- bill



On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
 said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had thought
 do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
 members to sign up to this new site?

 I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
 working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
 step.

 I hope I answered your question.

 Best,
 Maria


 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

  Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
  boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
  it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post
  move. :)
 
  Cheers,
  Sean
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump start,
  I will take a close look soon.
 
  Maria
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Bill Ricker wrote:
   ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm
 there,
   just awaiting content.)
  
   pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
  
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
   conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom of
   my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
   forward.
  
  
   Maria Huang wrote:
   ...I think I can convert pages at home...
  
   Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was just
   an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for
 the
   group.
  
   I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to
 volunteers
   before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before committing
 to
   switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
  
  
   And any deadline for this?
  
   None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or eliminate
   his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
  wiki.
  
  
   And where is old wiki site?
  
   http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
  
  
   ...just need some instructions.
  
   The first step is to go to:
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
   membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
  
   I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
   Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal font
   that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
   combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare it
 to
   the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like
 that
   better.)
  
   I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
   pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our
 jobs
   posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
   Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
  flavor.
  
   I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
   display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It
 currently
   shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
   get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
  
   I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the
 section
   above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a template
   for that, and settle on a page name format.
  
   Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent
 revising
   the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
   customizing the menus, and making better use of the embedded widgets
   they offer, like to embed a Google Calendar.
  
   Looking at my notes from a prior conversation with Bill, this is the
   list of pages that need to be converted (most parenthetical comments

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Sean Quinlan]

Not my kwiki! :P

No emergency, I think we have a couple weeks still before we'd have to
renew the old hosting if it isn't moved (one way or another).

Cheers,
Sean


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.

 Sean, yes, we'll abandon your kwiki, and it looks like wikispaces a viable
 alternative.

 I can request PM.ORG move the DNS to refer to the new wikispaces
 moderately quickly, give me a few days before you have to pull the plug.
 What's the timeframe?

 Maria, i acknowledge the existing Calendar history scroll is crazy, it
 needed refactoring someday. I'm open to sensible suggestions how to
 reorganize it. Key to me is saving the history, the content. (Moving to a
 new wiki we break any deeplinks anyway, so no value to preserving
 structure.) If Wikispaces has good ways to announce coming events, go ahead
 and use them.

 You can add September meeting as a coming event, it will be Patching and
 Updating a CPAN Module with Bill and Tom.
 (-: Whether Tom can attend or not, he's co-maintainer :-)

 -- bill



 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Maria Huang mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I converted some pages from http://boston.pm.org/kwiki to
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/ already, but not all of them, like Tom
 said before, how calendar gets handled needs discussion, also I had
 thought
 do we need have a section to hold presentation or talk, and encourage
 members to sign up to this new site?

 I have been busy recently so I didn't work on it. I hope I can continue
 working on it soon but I need comments or suggestions what will be next
 step.

 I hope I answered your question.

 Best,
 Maria



 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Sean Quinlan s...@quinlan.org wrote:

  Just pinging to get an idea if this is moving anywhere. I need to move
  boston.pm.org to a new hosting service. I can migrate everything, but
  it's one less thing to manage if I don't have to keep kwiki running post
  move. :)
 
  Cheers,
  Sean
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 AM, mhuang...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump
 start,
  I will take a close look soon.
 
  Maria
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Bill Ricker wrote:
   ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm
 there,
   just awaiting content.)
  
   pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
  
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
   conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom
 of
   my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
   forward.
  
  
   Maria Huang wrote:
   ...I think I can convert pages at home...
  
   Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was
 just
   an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for
 the
   group.
  
   I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to
 volunteers
   before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before
 committing to
   switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
  
  
   And any deadline for this?
  
   None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or
 eliminate
   his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current
  wiki.
  
  
   And where is old wiki site?
  
   http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
  
  
   ...just need some instructions.
  
   The first step is to go to:
   http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
  
   and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
   membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
  
   I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
   Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal
 font
   that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
   combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare
 it to
   the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like
 that
   better.)
  
   I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
   pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our
 jobs
   posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
   Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston
  flavor.
  
   I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
   display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It
 currently
   shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
   get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
  
   I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the
 section
   above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a
 template
   for that, and settle on a page name format.
  
   Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent
 revising
   the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
 

Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[mhuang725]

Thanks for your detailed information, and this can give me a jump start, I will 
take a close look soon.

Maria

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro+boston...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bill Ricker wrote:
 ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm there, 
 just awaiting content.)
 
 pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.
 
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
 Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
 conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom of
 my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
 forward.
 
 
 Maria Huang wrote:
 ...I think I can convert pages at home...
 
 Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was just
 an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for the
 group.
 
 I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to volunteers
 before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before committing to
 switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.
 
 
 And any deadline for this?
 
 None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or eliminate
 his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current wiki.
 
 
 And where is old wiki site?
 
 http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/
 
 
 ...just need some instructions. 
 
 The first step is to go to:
 http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/
 
 and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
 membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.
 
 I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
 Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal font
 that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
 combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare it to
 the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like that
 better.)
 
 I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
 pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our jobs
 posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
 Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston flavor.
 
 I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
 display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It currently
 shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
 get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)
 
 I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the section
 above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a template
 for that, and settle on a page name format.
 
 Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent revising
 the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
 customizing the menus, and making better use of the embedded widgets
 they offer, like to embed a Google Calendar.
 
 Looking at my notes from a prior conversation with Bill, this is the
 list of pages that need to be converted (most parenthetical comments
 from Bill):
 
 Home page (first draft done)
 MITDirections
 JobPostingPolicy
 IrcRoom
 BostonPMCalendar
 MongerLists
 Damian2006Mementos (with images, historical)
 BostonPMHistory (historical; Add entry marking end of kwiki)
 TechMeetingTopics (idea queue)
 
 There is another 4 or 5 less important pages that should also be
 converted at some point.
 
 How the calendar gets handled needs discussion. Bill suggested The
 Calendar could reasonably get split into history-by-year pages to
 reduce max size. Or not. My first instinct would be to handle it the
 same way the Recent Meetings section is handled on the home page,
 using a widget that displays a list of pages matching a tag. This way
 the calendar page could have either a single widget or perhaps one per
 year, while each meeting then gets its own page.
 
 As for using Wikispaces itself, you can create a new page by:
 -typing in the URL where you would like it to be; it'll prompt you to
 create a new page;
 -create a link to the new page, then click on the link;
 -Select the Pages and Files menu option, and then click the new page
 button.
 
 In the upper right you'll find a Help link on every page, which will
 take you to extensive documentation on how to use Wikispaces. For the
 most part, due to the WYSIWYG editor, you won't need it. Occasionally it
 is helpful to modify the wiki markup text. To access that, click the
 down arrow next to the save button when editing a page, and choose
 Wikitext Editor.
 
 -Tom
 
 -- 
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 Enterprise solutions through open source.
 Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/
 
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[Boston.pm] Wiki conversion

[Tom Metro]

Bill Ricker wrote:
 ...Wikispaces page. (I think I have a site setup for Boston.pm there, 
 just awaiting content.)
  
 pointer ? that might kick start group use so make it worthwhile.

http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/

Created a year ago. I had intended to do an initial cut of the
conversion, but it perpetually sits just out of reach at the bottom of
my todo list. I guess now is as good a time as any to try and move it
forward.


Maria Huang wrote:
 ...I think I can convert pages at home...

Yes, there's no need to do this as an in-person meeting. That was just
an idea to create a meeting topic that would also be productive for the
group.

I think the reasoning behind not opening up the conversion to volunteers
before is that Bill wanted to see how it would look before committing to
switching over Boston.pm to use he new service.


 And any deadline for this?

None. The sooner it goes done, the sooner Bill can reduce or eliminate
his efforts to repair spam and vandalism that occurs with our current wiki.


 And where is old wiki site?

http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/


 ...just need some instructions. 

The first step is to go to:
http://boston-pm.wikispaces.com/

and login (you can use OpenID) or create an account, and then request
membership in the Boston.pm wikispace.

I've picked a theme, colors, and created a logo. (That's the Ubuntu
Mono font. I struggled to find something evocative of a terminal font
that still looked OK when scaled up to logo size. That aside, I just
combined the stock Perl onion with Boston.pm. You should compare it to
the logo I did for the Boston.pm LinkedIn group, as you might like that
better.)

I converted over the main page. A little bit of intro text, links to
pm.org, perl.org, our mailing list page (needs to be created), our jobs
posting policy page (needs to be created), and I threw in a Creative
Commons licensed picture of the Zakim Bridge for some cliché Boston flavor.

I added a section titled Recent Meetings which will automatically
display the 5 most recent wiki pages tagged as meeting. (It currently
shows only page page titles. There are probably things we could do to
get it to pull in a page summary or some such.)

I created a sample meeting page for our last meeting just so the section
above would have something to show. Well need to figure out a template
for that, and settle on a page name format.

Once the bulk of the data is moved over, time can then be spent revising
the look and feel (or perhaps making it look less wiki-like),
customizing the menus, and making better use of the embedded widgets
they offer, like to embed a Google Calendar.

Looking at my notes from a prior conversation with Bill, this is the
list of pages that need to be converted (most parenthetical comments
from Bill):

Home page (first draft done)
MITDirections
JobPostingPolicy
IrcRoom
BostonPMCalendar
MongerLists
Damian2006Mementos (with images, historical)
BostonPMHistory (historical; Add entry marking end of kwiki)
TechMeetingTopics (idea queue)

There is another 4 or 5 less important pages that should also be
converted at some point.

How the calendar gets handled needs discussion. Bill suggested The
Calendar could reasonably get split into history-by-year pages to
reduce max size. Or not. My first instinct would be to handle it the
same way the Recent Meetings section is handled on the home page,
using a widget that displays a list of pages matching a tag. This way
the calendar page could have either a single widget or perhaps one per
year, while each meeting then gets its own page.

As for using Wikispaces itself, you can create a new page by:
-typing in the URL where you would like it to be; it'll prompt you to
create a new page;
-create a link to the new page, then click on the link;
-Select the Pages and Files menu option, and then click the new page
button.

In the upper right you'll find a Help link on every page, which will
take you to extensive documentation on how to use Wikispaces. For the
most part, due to the WYSIWYG editor, you won't need it. Occasionally it
is helpful to modify the wiki markup text. To access that, click the
down arrow next to the save button when editing a page, and choose
Wikitext Editor.

 -Tom

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Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA
Enterprise solutions through open source.
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Sean Quinlan]

I'd agree. And I figure we can give edit accounts to any regular
participant who wants to lend a hand.

Cheers,
Sean

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Federico Lucifredi flucifr...@acm.orgwrote:

 we probably don't need a wiki. Content management ahoy!

 Just my 5 cents.

 Best-F

 On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:

  On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro-boston...@vl.com
 wrote:
 
  I'll reiterate a prior recommendation to use Wikispaces. It's been
  working fine for BLU and a few other projects with minimal maintenance
  effort. (Much nicer wiki UI than kwiki, too.) If you set it to require a
  login (OpenID) you pretty much eliminate spam.
 
  The big downside to it is that you have to pay in order to use a fully
  custom domain, otherwise you get a subdomain, which you could redirect
  to from your desired domain.
 
 
  Tom's offer is very much appreciated. My previous reply was along the
 lines
  that we'd had so little wiki-ish authoring activity (aside from the
  spammers) that I doubting the conversion was worth the effort and cost,
 was
  wondering if we'd have a better fit moving to a Content Management System
  (such as the minimalist WEBDAV that pm.org supplies -- that Jerrad and I
  used on Advent 2.0 -- or something fancier, hopefully Perl based, maybe
  runnable where our wiki is now (Quinlan's)).
 
  For FAQ/contact pages and a monthly calender update we don't need much --
  and only the few who actually do the editing need write access. That's
 all
  that's really happening now.
 
  I would like comment on those requirements -- do we need a wiki ? if so,
  what is who going to do with it that they haven't lately ?
 
  --
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  @n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Tom Metro]

Bill Ricker wrote:
 ...we'd had so little wiki-ish authoring activity...

While Boston.pm doesn't encounter much collaborative document authoring,
there is a benefit to a system where any volunteer can come along and
contribute with minimal barriers.

(On several occasions I've ran across open source projects that used
closed wikis, which I discovered when I went to contribute. By the time
I received approval to post, I had already moved on to other projects,
and the opportunity was lost.)

You never know when some new Boston.pm member will come along and see
our ugly site and decide to give it a facelift over a weekend. :-)

So while I see the point that a CMS with designated admins seems like a
good match, if you've addressed the spam problem with better wiki
software, the admin costs should be about the same whether it is a CMS
or wiki.


 ...doubting the conversion was worth the effort and cost...

Cost?

The good news is that there isn't much content, so the effort should be
a few hours. And no different from the effort to convert to a CMS.

You can take a look at BLU's wiki at Wikispaces to see what a comparable
site would be link on that platform:
http://blu.wikispaces.com/


 ...a Content Management System (such as the minimalist WEBDAV that
 pm.org supplies...

This was mentioned at the meeting. So it is a CMS and not a wiki? Or is
there a wiki option?


 ...maybe runnable where our wiki is now (Quinlan's)).

With a small volunteer organization, any time you can outsource
something you should.

My first pick would be to use something pm.org supplies. If that doesn't
meet our needs, then a free hosted service, like Wikispaces. Last resort
is having a Boston.pm volunteer install and maintain software. (And
thanks Sean for providing hosting all these years.)

 -Tom

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Bill Ricker]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro-boston...@vl.com wrote:

 I'll reiterate a prior recommendation to use Wikispaces. It's been
 working fine for BLU and a few other projects with minimal maintenance
 effort. (Much nicer wiki UI than kwiki, too.) If you set it to require a
 login (OpenID) you pretty much eliminate spam.

 The big downside to it is that you have to pay in order to use a fully
 custom domain, otherwise you get a subdomain, which you could redirect
 to from your desired domain.


Tom's offer is very much appreciated. My previous reply was along the lines
that we'd had so little wiki-ish authoring activity (aside from the
spammers) that I doubting the conversion was worth the effort and cost, was
wondering if we'd have a better fit moving to a Content Management System
(such as the minimalist WEBDAV that pm.org supplies -- that Jerrad and I
used on Advent 2.0 -- or something fancier, hopefully Perl based, maybe
runnable where our wiki is now (Quinlan's)).

For FAQ/contact pages and a monthly calender update we don't need much --
and only the few who actually do the editing need write access. That's all
that's really happening now.

I would like comment on those requirements -- do we need a wiki ? if so,
what is who going to do with it that they haven't lately ?

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Federico Lucifredi]

we probably don't need a wiki. Content management ahoy!

Just my 5 cents.

Best-F

On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tom Metro tmetro-boston...@vl.com wrote:
 
 I'll reiterate a prior recommendation to use Wikispaces. It's been
 working fine for BLU and a few other projects with minimal maintenance
 effort. (Much nicer wiki UI than kwiki, too.) If you set it to require a
 login (OpenID) you pretty much eliminate spam.
 
 The big downside to it is that you have to pay in order to use a fully
 custom domain, otherwise you get a subdomain, which you could redirect
 to from your desired domain.
 
 
 Tom's offer is very much appreciated. My previous reply was along the lines
 that we'd had so little wiki-ish authoring activity (aside from the
 spammers) that I doubting the conversion was worth the effort and cost, was
 wondering if we'd have a better fit moving to a Content Management System
 (such as the minimalist WEBDAV that pm.org supplies -- that Jerrad and I
 used on Advent 2.0 -- or something fancier, hopefully Perl based, maybe
 runnable where our wiki is now (Quinlan's)).
 
 For FAQ/contact pages and a monthly calender update we don't need much --
 and only the few who actually do the editing need write access. That's all
 that's really happening now.
 
 I would like comment on those requirements -- do we need a wiki ? if so,
 what is who going to do with it that they haven't lately ?
 
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[Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Ronald J Kimball]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 01:33:46PM -0500, Federico Lucifredi wrote:
 
 On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Sean Quinlan wrote:
 
  http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/advisory28122011.pdf CVE-2011-4885 Phuket
  property http://www.phuketproperty.com/ Reported 2003
 
 I think this bug should be rather called the Dynamic Language Vulnerability, 
 but Phucket Property certainly gives it more character :)
 
  Best -F
 
 PS: I gather copying from a web page selection dragged in an ad link for Thai 
 beachfront realty...

Worse than that: this was copied from our Wiki, which has been very heavily
hit with wiki spam again.

http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/

Bill had mentioned this to a few mongers off list last month.  (I hope he
won't mind that I open this up to the whole list.)  It looks like we
need to accelerate finding a solution, either restricting access to Kwiki
or changing to another platform.

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Tom Metro]

Ronald J Kimball wrote:
 ...our Wiki...has been very heavily hit with wiki spam again.
 It looks like we need to accelerate finding a solution, either
 restricting access to Kwiki or changing to another platform.

At the risk of being repetitive, see below. I can help with the migration.

 -Tom

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki is back
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:07:03 -0500
From: Tom Metro tmetro-boston.pm@...
CC: L-boston-pm boston-pm@mail.pm.org

Bill Ricker wrote:
 We might want to consider if this current web situation can be improved
- locking down the wiki would prevent spam (which is 80% of edits!)
- switching from a wiki to a CMS might be reasonable...

I'll reiterate a prior recommendation to use Wikispaces. It's been
working fine for BLU and a few other projects with minimal maintenance
effort. (Much nicer wiki UI than kwiki, too.) If you set it to require a
login (OpenID) you pretty much eliminate spam.

The big downside to it is that you have to pay in order to use a fully
custom domain, otherwise you get a subdomain, which you could redirect
to from your desired domain.


 ...since calendar is most of our changes...

I'd like to see a group hack project to build a tool that lets the group
leader post a meeting announcement once, and have it distributed to the
list, Google Calendar, LinkedIn, IRC, Twitter, etc.

Didn't ActiveState recently announce that you can get a free account on
their PaaS cloud service that supports Perl? Maybe the tool could be
hosted there.

 -Tom

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki Spam

[Federico Lucifredi]

On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Ronald J Kimball wrote:

 Worse than that: this was copied from our Wiki, which has been very heavily
 hit with wiki spam again.

Hrm. I Tried to clean up, someone please double-check me.

Best -Federico
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki is back

[Tom Metro]

Bill Ricker wrote:
 We might want to consider if this current web situation can be improved
- locking down the wiki would prevent spam (which is 80% of edits!)
- switching from a wiki to a CMS might be reasonable...

I'll reiterate a prior recommendation to use Wikispaces. It's been
working fine for BLU and a few other projects with minimal maintenance
effort. (Much nicer wiki UI than kwiki, too.) If you set it to require a
login (OpenID) you pretty much eliminate spam.

The big downside to it is that you have to pay in order to use a fully
custom domain, otherwise you get a subdomain, which you could redirect
to from your desired domain.


 ...since calendar is most of our changes...

I'd like to see a group hack project to build a tool that lets the group
leader post a meeting announcement once, and have it distributed to the
list, Google Calendar, LinkedIn, IRC, Twitter, etc.

Didn't ActiveState recently announce that you can get a free account on
their PaaS cloud service that supports Perl? Maybe the tool could be
hosted there.

 -Tom

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki is back

[Bill Ricker]

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://boston.pm.org/kwiki/  is back.
  Thank You to Sean and Ronald and the volunteers at PM.Org for getting
 the DNS adjusted.


And it's back again.  (It may take a day or two for change to hit your
DNS.) Thanks to SeanTim for hosting and Robrt for the DNS fix.

We might want to consider if this current web situation can be improved

   - using a CNAME record at pm.org DNS, instead of DNS delegation to Sean's
   provider's DNS, would help us survive Quinlan.org's changing hosting
   biannually
   - locking down the wiki would prevent spam (which is 80% of edits!)
   - switching from a wiki to a CMS might be reasonable since calendar is
   most of our changes, the wiki hasn't really branched out


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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[John Saylor]

hi

( 04.08.05 19:31 -0400 ) Uri Guttman:
 at least we should have meeting info and directions, talk subjects,
 a who's who page of members, job stuff?, boston perl things (what??),
 etc.

maybe some of those things go on the main web site- don't need to
duplicate lists. wiki is better for putting things up to share [and
modify], little one-of projects, [buzzword alert] collaboration.

why not just run it up the flagpole and see who salutes!

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Gyepi SAM]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:43:20AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
   JS why not just run it up the flagpole and see who salutes!
 
 i won't touch that with a 10 foot flagpole!

A 3 foot flagczech might be easier to manage, I'd say.

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[Boston.pm] Wiki

[Ian Langworth]

At the meeting, Uri suggested that we turn boston.pm.org into
a wiki -- specifically, a Kwiki. I'd be happy to do so.

Aye? Nay?

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[John Saylor]

hi

i think setting up a wiki of somekind is a great idea. it can even be a
link off of http://boston.pm.org/ if the people who own that site want
to maintain some independence and control.

( 04.08.05 10:19 -0400 ) David:
 These two issues may indicate that a wiki which allows an admin
 group and locked pages is essential.

i think twiki can do this. i'm kinda running one, but i haven't RTFM so
i'm not completely sure ...

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Bobbi Fox]

I think it's a great idea, modulo the ability to limit editing access
per the comments that have come before, and the absolute
committment *NOT* to have the theme be red and orange :-)

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Ronald J Kimball]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 09:57:32AM -0400, Ian Langworth wrote:
 At the meeting, Uri suggested that we turn boston.pm.org into
 a wiki -- specifically, a Kwiki. I'd be happy to do so.
 
 Aye? Nay?

I think it's a pretty good idea.  Is there a way to limit who has access to
edit pages?  It would be cool if we could limit it just to people who are
subscribed to the mailing list.

BTW, I do in fact have the password to the web account.  :)

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Dan Boger]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 09:57:32AM -0400, Ian Langworth wrote:
 At the meeting, Uri suggested that we turn boston.pm.org into
 a wiki -- specifically, a Kwiki. I'd be happy to do so.
 
 Aye? Nay?

Aye :)

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[David]

Ian Langworth wrote:
At the meeting, Uri suggested that we turn boston.pm.org into
a wiki -- specifically, a Kwiki. I'd be happy to do so.
I've got a Kwiki set up on one of my personal machines and I've
been very happy with it - as simple as it is - with the ability
to lock down certain pages, etc.  I don't do much with it, these
days, though.
So I tried to deploy a Kwiki to a hosted website that I have
as well, and found it impossible to get it to work on there,
since I don't have full shell use on the server.  Has anyone else
run into this or dealt with it?
I've been thinking about using OddMuse instead, though I haven't
had the time to play with it much.
[I know, that doesn't answer your question, but I'd kind of like
to hear folks thoughts about various wiki implementations, and,
being Boston.pm, especially their thoughts about various Perl ones]
As far as setting the site up as a wiki, we should note both the
positives and negatives:
+ makes maintenance way easy, potentially by various folks
- there have been problems with Wiki spam and folks using wikis
  to dump heaps of links to try to get their URLs found via
  things like google.
These two issues may indicate that a wiki which allows an admin
group and locked pages is essential.  (Kwiki, at least when I
was playing with it, basically allowed only one administrator
who could lock pages)
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Chris Devers]

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Bobbi Fox wrote:
I think it's a great idea, modulo the ability to limit editing access
per the comments that have come before, and the absolute
committment *NOT* to have the theme be red and orange :-)
Fine then, orange it is, and nothing but orange on orange on orange!
But -- isn't the whole *point* of a wiki that *anyone* can edit it? 
Forcing some kind of you must be a member of Boston.pm scheme seems to 
be [a] against the spirit of wikis, [b] possibly hard to define (there 
must be people who go to meetings but aren't on the list, and vice 
versa), and [c] possibly a pain to maintain.

If we're going to need some kind of registration system, I wouldn't want 
it to be any more cumbersome than create an account to edit, the way 
Twiki does. Signing up for such an account should ipso facto mean that 
the person signing up is now a Boston.pm member, and it should provide 
only enough overhead that we can track who is editing what.

That way, if spammers sign up, we can clean up the mess more quickly. 
For the (much) more common case of people being honest, the burden isn't 
that bad.

If making contributions is a pain in the ass, no one is going to do it.
Forcing registration will make it be a pain in the ass.
Ergo, I think registration should be done carefully  with reluctance.
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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Ian Langworth]

On 05.Aug.2004 10:19AM -0400, David wrote:

 [I know, that doesn't answer your question, but I'd kind of like
 to hear folks thoughts about various wiki implementations, and,
 being Boston.pm, especially their thoughts about various Perl ones]

There are a few other wikis to check out:

* Twiki (Perl) - twiki.org
* AxKit::XSP::Wiki (Perl, AxKit) - axkit.org/wiki/
* PhpWiki (PHP) - www.phpwiki.org
* PmWiki (PHP) - www.pmwiki.org
* UseMod (Perl) - www.usemod.com

 These two issues may indicate that a wiki which allows an
 admin group and locked pages is essential.  (Kwiki, at least
 when I was playing with it, basically allowed only one
 administrator who could lock pages)

The larger the wiki community, the less security is needed.
Personally, don't think wiki spam will be an issue for us. If
there's ever a problem, it should take two clicks to undo
changes, no matter what wiki you're using.

Currently, Kwiki is indeed lacking in the security area, but
only because nobody has written any yet :)

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Brock]

On 2004.08.05.13.02, Ian Langworth wrote:
|  These two issues may indicate that a wiki which allows an
|  admin group and locked pages is essential.  (Kwiki, at least
|  when I was playing with it, basically allowed only one
|  administrator who could lock pages)
| 
| The larger the wiki community, the less security is needed.
| Personally, don't think wiki spam will be an issue for us. If
| there's ever a problem, it should take two clicks to undo
| changes, no matter what wiki you're using.

I also feel that the amount of forced security and the size of the
community are inversely proportional... not only will a large community
make lots of security unneeded -- lots of security will drive portions
of the community away :)

I have had excelent experiences with OddMuse, as far as the flavour vote
goes.

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Re: [Boston.pm] Wiki

[Uri Guttman]

 IL == Ian Langworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  IL At the meeting, Uri suggested that we turn boston.pm.org into
  IL a wiki -- specifically, a Kwiki. I'd be happy to do so.

  IL Aye? Nay?

well, the full consensus seems to be aye which is good. i say we use
kwiki since we have a ingy minion amongst us :). since kwiki has version
control we can dispense with the (nonexistant) registration/login
stuff. 

so now we need to get it installed on the host (which i think we have a
shell on as well as web). ronald needs to give the pw to ian to get the
ball rolling. then we have the pie fight over content but hey, it's a
kwiki so we can all edit it!

at least we should have meeting info and directions, talk subjects,
a who's who page of members, job stuff?, boston perl things (what??),
etc.

i did plenty of editing of the yapc kwiki so it isn't hard. but i did
run into a problem there (could be fixed in the new version) of
sometimes it thought i was editing a page which had been edited behind
me (something to do with how i got to the edit page) but it hadn't
been. i was doing large edits and i would sometime lose them. i changed
to saving smaller edits more often but that is a pain.

uri

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