Re: [Boston.pm] more on hosting and email suggestions, any experience with VPS?
On Dec 5, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Gyepi SAM wrote: The main disadvantage I have found is that you cannot run commands which require real root privileges. For instance: iptables does not work and init is really a fake init which cannot be controlled. Thank you for pointing that out. I assumed that I would be able to use iptables on the virtual interface (to do things like prevent the machine from initiating network connections.) Maybe I need to do more experimenting with user-mode so I'm not making assumptions on what it can or can't do. ___ Boston-pm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] more on hosting and email suggestions, any experience with VPS?
Andrew Langmead wrote: On Dec 5, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Gyepi SAM wrote: The main disadvantage I have found is that you cannot run commands which require real root privileges. For instance: iptables does not work and init is really a fake init which cannot be controlled. Thank you for pointing that out. I assumed that I would be able to use iptables on the virtual interface (to do things like prevent the machine from initiating network connections.) I looked at tektonics.net and subsequently did some research into virtuozzo. It looks like a very slick application, and it sounded like you could do EVERYTHING including iptables. Quoting from http://www.sw-soft.com/en/products/virtuozzo/hsp/vps/ * VPS performs and executes exactly like an isolated stand-alone server * Each VPS has its own processes, users, files and provides full root access. * Each VPS can have its own IP addresses, port numbers, tables, filtering and routing rules. This says to me that any VPS provider using Virtuozzo has support for custom iptables per VPS instance. I'm seriously considering trying out tektonics.net based on the recommendation earlier in this thread. At only $15/mo for the cheapest plan, it's kind of hard to turn down. As far as control panels, the common ones I've seen are Plesk 7 Reloaded, cPanel, and DirectAdmin. Any one have experience with these packages? BTW, you don't get a control panel with the $15/mo account at tektonics.net. Drew -- Drew Taylor * Web development consulting Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Site implementation hosting Web : www.drewtaylor.com * perl/mod_perl/DBI/mysql/postgres ___ Boston-pm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] more on hosting and email suggestions, any experience with VPS?
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:55:40AM -0500, Andrew Langmead wrote: On Dec 5, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Gyepi SAM wrote: The main disadvantage I have found is that you cannot run commands which require real root privileges. For instance: iptables does not work and init is really a fake init which cannot be controlled. Thank you for pointing that out. I assumed that I would be able to use iptables on the virtual interface (to do things like prevent the machine from initiating network connections.) Maybe I need to do more experimenting with user-mode so I'm not making assumptions on what it can or can't do. As I mentioned in a follow-up message, my provider actually uses Virtuozzo and not UML as I originally stated. According to John West, in a private email, neither of those limitations exist on his UML based VPS. Further investigation has also revealed that the iptables limitation, at least, is merely a provider policy: they don't include iptables support in the VPS kernels. I guess the lesson here is: don't use my provider if you really want full control of your environment! -Gyepi ___ Boston-pm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] more on hosting and email suggestions, any experience with VPS?
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 01:11:00AM -0500, Andrew Langmead wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any companies providing Virtual Private Server (also called Virtual Dedicated Hosting)? After years of using shared hosting services, I switched about a year ago to a UML based VPS with tektonic.com and am quite happy with it. For $35/month, I get 4GB of space and two IP addresses with root access to a virtual server on which I run smtp,dns, and http services. I really like the fact that I can control almost everything and can run any services I want and am not completely at the mercy of the administrator's paranoia, ignorance or schedule. The main disadvantage I have found is that you cannot run commands which require real root privileges. For instance: iptables does not work and init is really a fake init which cannot be controlled. The providers have been very responsive to my needs. They initially had some growing pains when I first started with them, but have since become quite reliable. I am also interested in other people's experiences with similar services. -Gyepi ___ Boston-pm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] more on hosting and email suggestions, any experience with VPS?
Gyepi SAM wrote: On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 01:11:00AM -0500, Andrew Langmead wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any companies providing Virtual Private Server (also called Virtual Dedicated Hosting)? The main disadvantage I have found is that you cannot run commands which require real root privileges. For instance: iptables does not work and init is really a fake init which cannot be controlled. I looked into using a VPS and the thing which kept me from going with it was the lack of backups. Any backing up of one's server had to be done by oneself. Things may have changed since I looked into it, but at the time the providers didn't want to back up each user's full partitions, including OS, each night. FWIW, I'm using Pair now. The only thing that I'd like that they don't provide would be a means to use tomcat and to deploy java servlets. (I'd love to use snipsnap, for example). Instead, I've deployed both php and perl based things quite easily. But snipsnap really is pretty slick... --d ___ Boston-pm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
Re: [Boston.pm] more on hosting and email suggestions, any experience with VPS?
While we're on the topic, this lurker would like to know if there is anything better for running multiple websites than a BHCOM.com virtual server (I pay $59 per month for the virtual server, and $25 per month to be able to host up to 25 domain names (total $84). All of my websites have the same IP address... and I usually have from 6 to 12 up and running at any one time. I've been their customer for many years now... service is great... just wondering if I can do better. They also own 4domains.com, so I can integrated domain name management with the server Jim ___ Boston-pm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
