Re: Abortion

2006-08-01 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

] I assume that everyone here reads Brin's blog at 
] http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/. Am I right?



Yes, of course.


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Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-01 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You are confusing a factual conclusion with a political
  conclusion.   Whether or not Iraq had WMD stockpiles or programs
  is
  a factual conclusion for which the intelligence services are
  suited.   Whether that threat is immediate, imminent, urgent, or
  mortal is a political conclusion that is properly the province
  of
  the political arena.


 Are you saying that Iraq, despite having no WMDs,

Other than Scott Ritter (last in Iraq in 1998), did any of the
intelligence services actually conclude that Iraq had no WMD stocpiles
or programs before the war?

JDG




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Re: Prehistory

2006-08-01 Thread Julia Thompson

Charlie Bell wrote:


On 01/08/2006, at 8:45 AM, Brother John wrote:


As a child that raised white mice and rats as much as I did snakes, I 
can attest that white rats are much, much better pets than white mice. 
Mice bite and their urine stinks something awful. Neither is true of 
white rats. Rats actually make very nice pets, much better pets than 
hamsters of gerbils. Of course, that is just my person opinion. But it 
is based on personal experience.


At last, some common ground. (Of course, you were probably raising 
rodents to feed to snakes, but I'll forgive you...).


I never had white rats, I had a pair of dark chocolate brown rats with 
white bellies. The breed is Black Berkshire, and they were _Rattus 
norvegicus_, or the Common Brown or Norway Rat (the most common pet rat, 
although a few people do breed Black Rats (_Rattus rattus_).


Rats are *great* pets. Really social, and really smart.


I have a friend with hairless rats.  Those sound like fun!  (And being 
furry can be a liability around here for a good chunk of the year.)


Julia
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Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-01 Thread Nick Arnett

On 8/1/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Are you saying that Iraq, despite having no WMDs,

Other than Scott Ritter (last in Iraq in 1998), did any of the
intelligence services actually conclude that Iraq had no WMD stocpiles
or programs before the war?



Programs and intentions, yes.  Stockpiles, no.  You didn't know this?

Nick

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Re: Look on my works, ye mighty...

2006-08-01 Thread maru dubshinki

On 7/30/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not yet - it's silly money in the bookshops here, and the library
doesn't have it yet. But don't wait on me, i'll just put the
discussion to one side 'til i can catch up.

Charlie


Far be it from me to encourage breaking of - oh, what the heck.

You know you can find it online pretty easily, right? For example, a
quick search turned up an audio version of all things:
http://www.isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=collapse+diamond

~maru
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Re: My Wraptures-ready Sunday

2006-08-01 Thread maru dubshinki

On 7/30/06, Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Greetings Tribe of Brin,

For those of you who use graphics in your work and play I have a small
treat.
I am pleased to announce to this small group the imminent public
offering of my multi-CD image libraries. Not a must-buy Wall Street
deal to buy stock in an image company, but a gift to the world open
source-ish. I'm hoping to generate good ju-ju releasing this
intellectual property after many years under moth-ball, The hope is
traffic flocks, leaves a gratuity, and {ideally} purchases the newer,
snappier, yet-more clever HD-sized textures vastly better suited to
this XXIst century. You folks are invited to scratch-n-sniff the
original collection as I prepare for a fall-winter launch of my
high-def Pro line. I'm only telling a handful of friends and you folk
as I am not terribly interested in generating publicity - yet. I'm
eager for technical  business feedback and of course curious where the
low-key viral marketing leads. If I suddenly end up with a tiger by
the tail, then all the better.

http://www.formandfunction.com/wraptures/index.html

...


Gigabytes of fun. Enjoy!
- Jonathan -


For what it is worth, your link is down for me.

~maru
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Collapse

2006-08-01 Thread Jim Sharkey

Two questions:
1) I've never been involved in one of these, so, what exactly do we do?

2) When do we start?

Jim

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Re: My Wraptures-ready Sunday

2006-08-01 Thread Dave Land

On Jul 30, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Gibson Jonathan wrote:


http://www.formandfunction.com/wraptures/index.html

Way back in the early days of multimedia I had heady sand castle  
dreams
of ROM baronies built on a foundation of seamless, tile-able,  
textures.

Walking around the first MicroSoft CD ROM conference {hard to imagine
hosting one today} I was enthused about converting my lifelong  
penchant

for visual patterns with recent eye-candy three-d work I'd been doing
and determined to expand  refine the growing tool chest for sale to
other graphic professionals.


Those of us who either (a) worked at or around Apple in the early 90s or
(b) toiled at multimedia in the halcyon days of HyperCard remember
Wraptures well.

When it became clear that the Jonathan Gibson of Brin-L was /that/
Jonathan Gibson, smiles spread across the faces of those of us who (c)
both worked at Apple in the early 90s /and/ toiled at multimedia in the
halcyon days of Hypercard.

Thank you for your gift, Jonathan!

Dave

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Re: Collapse

2006-08-01 Thread Julia Thompson

Jim Sharkey wrote:

Two questions:
1) I've never been involved in one of these, so, what exactly do we do?

2) When do we start?


Read.  If we have a leader, the leader says Well talk about chapter(s) 
X starting on day N.  Read that part of the book, think about what 
struck you as interesting or worthy of discussion.


I don't know when we start.  I was going to wait until someone posted 
the Here's the start of discussion for chapter 1 or whatever, then 
scramble to skim that chapter in my book and offer an occasional 
comment.  I'm sure someone else has a better answer.  (I can barely keep 
my schedule, my husband's schedule and the kids' schedules straight, my 
own being the most complicated this week (only because I did 3 different 
things last night), without figuring out when something is going on 
online without a clue-by-four type of reminder.)


Julia

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Re: My Wraptures-ready Sunday

2006-08-01 Thread Gibson Jonathan

Hullo maru dubshinki,

Sorry, I almost missed your notice, but a quick peek into my mail 
directory  I just had to open up yours and Dave's thread.  My ISP is 
on holiday and this left my domain server down a few hours this AM.  
It's all up and dandy now.  Try again.

I said, 'Enjoy' and I mean it, dammit!

- Jonathan -

PS - once again, staging via 
http://www.formandfunction.com/wraptures/index.html
Final domain will simply be www.wraptures.com, but will auto-magically 
redirect once this is all public.



Dave,

Thanks for the kind words.
I enjoy the gift society model wherever I can apply it and I am hopeful 
this catalyzes positive changes in my recent {lack of} career.
I'm counting on the panache associated with this long-gone resource 
being on tap will stir the hearts of graphic professionals enough to 
throw a few nickels in the tip jar out of teary nostalgia  loosen 
billfolds {ever so gently} for the stimulating new stuff.  Back in the 
day these were considered overkill and I often heard their 1024x512 
pixel resolution called monsters, but they seem almost quaint now.  I 
aim for my new ones to get as many rave reviews and to be even longer 
lived.


Addendum: for those familiar with Wraptures I'll note that not all from 
the original collections are available - yet.  I'm simply not sure what 
would happen to my old school chum running the server {gratis} if some 
sunny morning a sizable portion of DTP shops in Asia start downloading 
them when some notable blog makes mention.  Almost all the 512x512 are 
up, but time+space+ISP costs are yet to be determined  I am a tad more 
tentative about all the 1024x512 as planned at the outset.  I will get 
there eventually, however.  I went ahead and bit the bullet by putting 
the high-res ones up to measure demand.


- JG -

Aside: Just between you, me, Killer B's, and the NSA, I worry my son 
will have no college fund.  This was tough though doable when I went to 
school {$11K/yr Tulane 1986}, but costs are so vastly more expensive 
now {$43K Tulane 2006} that I worry how any of our off-spring will 
finance upper education in the coming decades.  Immigration to Europe 
-or- Australia is a serious consideration for us.



On Aug 1, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Dave Land wrote:

On Jul 30, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Gibson Jonathan wrote:


http://www.formandfunction.com/wraptures/index.html

Way back in the early days of multimedia I had heady sand castle 
dreams
of ROM baronies built on a foundation of seamless, tile-able, 
textures.

Walking around the first MicroSoft CD ROM conference {hard to imagine
hosting one today} I was enthused about converting my lifelong 
penchant

for visual patterns with recent eye-candy three-d work I'd been doing
and determined to expand  refine the growing tool chest for sale to
other graphic professionals.


Those of us who either (a) worked at or around Apple in the early 90s 
or

(b) toiled at multimedia in the halcyon days of HyperCard remember
Wraptures well.

When it became clear that the Jonathan Gibson of Brin-L was /that/
Jonathan Gibson, smiles spread across the faces of those of us who (c)
both worked at Apple in the early 90s /and/ toiled at multimedia in the
halcyon days of Hypercard.

Thank you for your gift, Jonathan!

Dave

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On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:38 AM, maru dubshinki wrote:

http://www.formandfunction.com/wraptures/index.html

...


Gigabytes of fun. Enjoy!
- Jonathan -


For what it is worth, your link is down for me.

~maru




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www.formandfunction.com/word
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Re: Collapse

2006-08-01 Thread Doug Pensinger

Jim Sharkey wrote:


Two questions:
1) I've never been involved in one of these, so, what exactly do we do?

2) When do we start?

Jim


Oy, people chomping at the bit.  Sorry.  I was going to get it started 
tomorrow night but I'll get it going tonight.


What I intended to do is post a brief summary of the chapter and perhaps 
pose a few questions regarding the content.  I was going to lead the 
discussion in this manner for the first couple of chapters and ask for a 
volunteer to lead chapter three.  If that works out, perhaps we can do 
kind of a round robin thing.  If not, I will attempt to keep the 
discussion going myself, though I'm betting I'll have at least a little 
bit of help.


Sorry to be delinquent, I wanted to give everyone atime to pick up a copy 
of the book.  The more the merrier, eh...


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Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-01 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Are you saying that Iraq, despite having no WMDs,
 
  Other than Scott Ritter (last in Iraq in 1998), did any of the
  intelligence services actually conclude that Iraq had no WMD
  stocpiles
  or programs before the war?

 Programs and intentions, yes.  Stockpiles, no.  You didn't know
 this?

So, you are saying that in 2002, a major intelligence agency concluded
that Iraq had no WMD stockpiles of any kind?

JDG




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WorldCon 2006 Roll Call

2006-08-01 Thread Steve Sloan

I'm planning to attend my first WorldCon (and first con even
remotely that big) in LA at the end of this month. Is anyone
else on the list going?
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Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-08-01 Thread Nick Arnett

On 8/1/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




So, you are saying that in 2002, a major intelligence agency concluded
that Iraq had no WMD stockpiles of any kind?



No.  You've inverted the statement. The NIE, as well as Tenet in later
public statements about that NIE, said that they believed that Iraq had
stockpiles of chemical and biological agents, but they were not weaponized.
There was no delivery system that they were aware of, just an intention or
programs to create them. Makes it kind of hard to argue for an imminent
threat, doesn't it?

Have you read the declassified parts of the NIE?  And Tenet has summarized
it several times in public venues.  He has been very clear about saying that
this was not an intelligence community failure by telling us what the
intelligence actually said.  He hasn't come right out and said that the
administration's public statements were not justified by the intelligence
reports, but he doesn't really need to.  It is obvious if you compare the
two.

Nick


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Moving to Montana Soon?

2006-08-01 Thread Doug Pensinger

Collapse by Jarred Diamond
Part One: Modern Montana
Chapter One: Under Montana's Big Sky

Diamond picks Montana for his first chapter because he can gage the 
attitudes of the people that live there, because it provides a contrast to 
the more fragile societies discussed in later chapters and because it 
illustrates the five main themes of the book: human impacts on the 
environment; climate change; a society’s relations with neighboring 
friendly societies; a society's exposure to acts of other potential 
hostile societies; and the importance of a society's responses to it's 
problems.  He uses Montana as a reference for the reader.  A familiar 
situation with which we can relate to the more severe problems he 
discusses later on.


A similarity to my home town of Morgan Hill, Ca. to the Bitterroot Valley 
is the contrast in attitudes of the old timers; farmers and ranchers with 
sizeable land holdings and upper-middle class to upper class professionals 
with a fondness for the small town atmosphere in close proximity to a 
major metropolitan area.  Morgan Hill has a slow-growth policy that allows 
a limited number of new housing units per year.  This is frustrating to 
landowners because there is a huge demand for housing in the area.


Montana's environmental problems include toxic wastes, forests, soils, 
water, climate change, biodiversity losses and introduced pests and while 
Diamond classifies Montana as probably the least damaged of the lower 48 
states, the problems he describes seem severe.


One interesting conundrum he discusses is the conflict between businesses 
that exist to make money and moral obligations to clean up after 
themselves.  Is this a good argument against the preeminence of a free 
market economy or can we have both a strong economy and a clean 
environment?


Another interesting point that he raises is the fact that while native 
Montanan's are extremely suspicious of government and especially 
Washington, they are heavily subsidized by the federal government; If 
Montana were an isolated island, as Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean was 
in Polynesian times before European arrival, its present first world 
economy would already have collapsed, nor could it have developed that 
economy in the first place.  Is it hypocritical of Montana’s people to be 
unsupportive of the Federal Government while they have their hand in the 
till?


Montana's problems are somewhat interesting.  We can understand and 
empathize with them because we face many of the same kinds of problems.  
In comparison with the disaster that occurred on Easter Island described 
in Chapter Two: Twilight at Easter, however, the problems our country 
faces (at least the short term ones) seem like small potatoes. 
Fascinating! Read on.


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Doug
Me and the pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush, maru
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