Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-08-29 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 8/27/2006 8:32:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

First,  your theory presumes that manking is capable of having an effect
upon the  climate.   Yet, you also seem to assume that whatever
intentional  effects we have on the conflict will always benign.   There
is,  of course, the risk that in attempting to tinker with a process we
hardly  understand that we might end up causing even more damage to  our
welfare.   This would be particularly ironic if we were in  fact making
serious sacrfices in order to effect these changes.Thus, it is not
sufficient to simply say "because the risks are high, we  must take
action whatever the cost."   These risks must always be  balanced against
other risks.

There certainly is the risk of unknown consequences of our actions but  doing 
nothing will have the
predictable consequence of allowing global temperatures to continue to  rise


As  another example, you seem to indicate that we should be sparing no
cost in  order to combat global warming.   Should we not also be  sparing
no cost to develop an asteroid detection and deterrance  system?   Or
perhaps sparing no cost to research the development  of a shield for
gamma ray bursts?
One should allocate resources based on relative risk and consequence of  that 
risk.
Global warming is happening; its consequences are not fully understood  but
scientists are pretty much totally in agreement that it is occurring as we  
speak.
Another asteroid strike is probably inevitable as well but the best science  
available 
does not provide data on when this will occur. We get whacked  about every 28 
million years
and we are about 14 million years since the last hit so we are  not exactly 
overdue.




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Re: Catastrophe: Planet No More

2006-08-29 Thread Charlie Bell


On 29/08/2006, at 9:39 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:




[hmmm... question: _when_ will E-M become a double planet?
I guess sometime in the next 10 billion years :-)]


At the current rate of lunar recession, 30 million years or so,  
according to something i read the other day




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Re: Catastrophe: Planet No More

2006-08-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Deborah Harrell wrote:
>
> Earth-Moon was mentioned as being a double planet; is
> this the accepted term, or is it still debated?  I
> think it makes sense, since IIRC somone calculated
> that Earth's orbit would be at a different place if
> there was no Moon...
> 
I think the final word is for E-M not to be a double
planet, because the barycenter [baricenter?] of the system
lies inside the Earth.

[hmmm... question: _when_ will E-M become a double planet?
I guess sometime in the next 10 billion years :-)]

Pluto-Charon, OTOH, would be a double something, because
the barycenter is outside Pluto.

Alberto Monteiro

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