Re: socialism v. capitalism

[Claes Wallin]

Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>>> it just might work, but i still
>> prefer european style socialism.
> 
>> But not everyone agrees with you in that preference. . . . ronn!
>> :)
> 
> a, rnd rightly so, ronn, socialism is not without flaws.  there is
> dissension among socialists, and most would condemn my preference for
> a mixed economy.  i recognize the importance of individual
> incentives.  i am not against all private enterprise by any means,
> nor am i in favor of a welfare state. jon

What is the "euopean style socialism" that you prefer, if you are not in 
favor of a welfare state? Or perhaps we mean different things with this 
term?

/c

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Taxation

[Jon Louis Mann]

> Or just maybe this study is right:
> 

in part...

> No, as you just said, they are to pay for the 
> government to provide services to the citizens.

yes, and redistribution and socialism are ways to do that.

> And as some wag once said and many since have repeated,
> "Taxation with representation ain't all that great, either."
> . . . ronn!  :)

especially under the bush administration.
jon


  
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Ask the Next Question "Q--->"

[Jon Louis Mann]

> Which minions, and what deregulation are you referring to?

i told you, i'm not playing this game any more, until you answer my questions.

you ask questions to bait and to antagonize.  any answer i give only lead to 
another question.  we are all quite familiar with your tactics to avoid, 
distract and obfuscate the issue.  you attempt to change the topic or the 
context by asking irrelevant questions.

i am not asking complicated  interrogatives too profound to answer succinctly. 
or rhetorical question, or if you have stopped beating your wife.  


you ask questions to give the appearance that you know the answer, but know 
better than to say.





  
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Re: Polarization

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What gives you the right to be THAT cynical?

No doubt the politicians will take that, too.
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Re: The Artful Dodger

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the bush administration is responsible for this economic crisis.  whether or 
> not he personally deregulated banks leading to the subprime mortgage crisis, 
> his minions DID, under his direction.

Which minions, and what deregulation are you referring to?
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Re: Polarization

[Nick Arnett]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:03 PM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Dollars are more important than ideology. Both Dems and Reps were
> responsible for wasting a lot of my dollars. Their ideologies are
> irrelevant, since they are only a tool used to get elected.


What gives you the right to be THAT cynical?

Nick
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The Artful Dodger

[Jon Louis Mann]

> deregulation
> n : the act of freeing from regulation 
> (especially from governmental regulations)

i have asked you numerous questions, which you refuse to answer, williams, so 
don't accuse me of what you can not do yourself.  

the bush administration is responsible for this economic crisis.  whether or 
not he personally deregulated banks leading to the subprime mortgage crisis, 
his minions DID, under his direction.  

bush may be a cheney's pawn, but his administration is responsible for the 
economic collapse, which by the way, is also due to his enormous deficit 
spending to pay for the war in iraq.  

you can try and blame the subprime mortgage crisis on fannie and freddie, but 
you are avoiding the real issue with your nonsense. 

i told you, i'm not playing this game any more, UNLESS you answer MY questions. 
IF you dare, so THERE!~)
jon 


  
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Re: Polarization

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there you go again, still making stuff up.  i gave you two links, here is 
> another that you won't even have to read:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CaOrlFxEZc&feature=related

Your two previous links did not give an example of how Bush
deregulated anything that may have lead to the "subprime mortgage
crisis". The youtube video you listed does not give any examples of
deregulation either. I don't think that word means what you think it
means.

  deregulation
   n : the act of freeing from regulation (especially from
   governmental regulations)
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Re: Taxation

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 09:20 PM Thursday 11/13/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
> > > Why am I not surprised that you would cite the Onion...?
>
> > I don't know. Perhaps because you think that I have a
> > good sense of humor?
>
>i don't think so, it was a substitute for answering my questions, 
>and you use humor for insolence and to avoid the issue.


Or just maybe this study is right:





>taxes are SUPPOSED to be collected to provide services to the citizens, etc.
>[...]
>mc cain/palin kept talking about redistribution and socialism as if 
>they were dirty words, when in fact, they are the very reason for taxation.



No, as you just said, they are to pay for the government to provide 
services to the citizens.



>   we had a revolution because of taxation w/o representation, duh!



And as some wag once said and many since have repeated, "Taxation 
with representation ain't all that great, either."


. . . ronn!  :)



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Taxation

[Jon Louis Mann]

> > Why am I not surprised that you would cite the Onion...?

> I don't know. Perhaps because you think that I have a
> good sense of humor?

i don't think so, it was a substitute for answering my questions, and you use 
humor for insolence and to avoid the issue.

> "See, when the government spends money, it creates
> jobs; whereas when the money is left in the hands of
> taxpayer, God only knows what they do with it.  
> Bake it into pies, probably. Anything to avoid
> creating jobs."
>Dave Barry

taxes are SUPPOSED to be collected to provide services to the citizens, etc.  
get a clue, dude; the bailout is not being put in the hands of the taxpayers!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax#The_Four_.22R.22s

mc cain/palin kept talking about redistribution and socialism as if they were 
dirty words, when in fact, they are the very reason for taxation.  we had a 
revolution because of taxation w/o representation, duh!
jon


  
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Polarization

[Jon Louis Mann]

> What did I make up? I asked you for 
> an example of Bush deregulation that 
> you said caused the sub prime crisis. You 
> appear unable to provide a single example.


there you go again, still making stuff up.  i gave you two links, here is 
another that you won't even have to read:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CaOrlFxEZc&feature=related
i am not wasting any more time answering your questions, until you start 
answering mine.  you can begin with my previous post, but you won't, because 
you can't...   you avoid answering because you can't refute what i really am 
saying, so you ignore my questions, come up with specious questions of your 
own, use ad hominem attacks, straw man arguments, and in desperation, cite the 
onion!~)  
jon


  
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Re: Polarization

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There you go again, making stuff up.

What did I make up? I asked you for an example of Bush deregulation
that you said caused the subprime crisis. You appear unable to provide
a single example.
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Re: Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why am I not surprised that you would cite the Onion...?

I don't know. Perhaps because you think that I have a good sense of humor?

"See, when the government spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when
the money is left in the hands of taxpayer, God only knows what they
do with it. Bake it into pies, probably. Anything to avoid creating jobs."
   Dave Barry
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Re: Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?

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Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?

[Jon Louis Mann]

> "Let the free market decide the most efficient way of
> destroying money!"

Why am I not surprised that you would cite the Onion...?
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_should_the_government

I almost spewed out my bheer today, watching Bush's speech to the U.N.
Jon


  
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Polarization

[Jon Louis Mann]

> >> What deregulation would that be?

> > take your pick, williams,

> SInce there was little relevant 
> deregulation initiated by Bush, I'm
> not surprised you cannot name any.

There you go again, making stuff up.

You tell me, then, what are the causes of the current financial crisis if not 
deregulation by the Bush Administration?

According to Nancy Pelosi, the Bush Administration's eight years of 
deregulation policies have resulted in our nation's largest bailout ever, 
leaving the American taxpayers on the hook for the bailout.  Barack Obama, in 
the second debate stated that the biggest problem in this whole process was the 
deregulation of the financial system.

This is Bush on Halloween:
http://acnn.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/george-bush-still-pushing-deregulation/

This is from his address to the UN, today; my six year old can spot the flaws:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/george-bush

I'm not surprised you are in denial about Bush.  There are still about 20+% of 
you left who still believe in Bush, according to the polls.


  
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Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?

[John Williams]

"Let the free market decide the most efficient way of destroying money!"

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_should_the_government?utm_source=embedded_video
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Re: Polarization

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > bush deserves most of the blame for the
>> massive deregulation after his "re-election".
>
>> What deregulation would that be?
>
> take your pick, williams,

SInce there was little relevant deregulation initiated by Bush, I'm
not surprised you cannot name any.
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Polarization

[Jon Louis Mann]

> > bush deserves most of the blame for the 
> massive deregulation after his "re-election".
 
> What deregulation would that be?

take your pick, williams, or google the names that were in my post (i explained 
the correlation between  money and idealogy, ethics and morality).  you 
consciously ignore the substance of my post and ask questions that are 
irrelevant, to distract and obfuscate the issue.  

yes, both parties waste revenues, but the dems divert them to the poor as 
entitlements, and employ a bureacracy of middle class paper pushers.  
republicans divert revenues to wealthy arms dealers, stock brokers, financial 
managers, loan officers, CEOs, etc.  that IS extremely relevant, as to the 
motive.  they are completely variant avenues to power, one motivated by greed, 
the other by genuine desire for positive social change.

> > the left is very different from the right,   
> ronn.  the big money controlling their discourse
> > represents a completely different idealogy.  

> Dollars are more important than idealogy.  
> Both Dems and Reps were responsible for 
> wasting a lot of my dollars. Their ideologies are
> irrelevant, since they are only a tool used to get 
> elected.


  
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Re: Polarization

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> bush deserves most of the blame for the massive deregulation after his 
> "re-election".

What deregulation would that be?

> the left is very different from the right, ronn.  the big money controlling 
> their discourse represents a completely different idealogy.

Dollars are more important than ideology. Both Dems and Reps were
responsible for wasting a lot of my dollars. Their ideologies are
irrelevant, since they are only a tool used to get elected.
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Peace offering on the brinlist

[Jon Louis Mann]

> > tell you what, john, i will be delighted 
> to engage in civilized discourse with you.
 
> Is that the carrot or the stick?

> > i will stop discussing your personality disorders
> (unless you enjoy being the topic of discussion).   i'll
> even stop asking you who you really are, what your
> tax bracket is, and your source of income!~)
 
> I already gave you my permission to go ahead 
> with that. You and Charlie have fun now.

is that reverse psychology, or reverse, reverse psychology.
i suspect the latter,  because you thrive on the attention.

if you really wanted to have substantive discussion, you would not resort to 
straw men and ad hominem attacks when you are cornered.  

i came to brinlist because i am a big fan of dr. brin's novels.  i also admire 
his pragmatic, rather than dogmatic, approach to discussions of this type, and 
agree with many of his socio/economic/political/ecological positions.  i was a 
lurker most of the time i've been on brinlist, but once i dared to start making 
posts i had a honeymoon period where i was only corrected in how to post 
correctly.  

i only became a target of trolls like yourself when i dared to refute your 
arguments, and question your vitriolic tactics.  i learned to stand up to 
bullys when i was in high school.  i suspect you were also bullied when you 
were a child, and that explains the venom you spew on line.  you fit a certain 
profile, you see...
jon



  
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Polarization

[Jon Louis Mann]

> Ding!  Ding!!  Ding!!!
> (Or should that be "ka-CHING!!)
> . . . ronn!  :)

so you are saying that it makes no difference where the money comes from, or 
whether one side bases its positions on ethical parameters, and the other on 
morally righteous positions? 

yes political winds shift, but the corporate lobbyists do not change parties to 
give their attention to whoever is in power.  they do try to split their bets 
and give to both parties so that whoever is elected will be indebted, BUT they 
are far more generous to republicans.  in this elections obama refused their 
support (although clinton did not) and collected small donations from the 
internet and accepted support from labor.  that is how he was able to outspend 
mc cain/palin.

bush deserves most of the blame for the massive deregulation after his 
"re-election".  federal regulators held a press conference to symbolize their 
commitment to deregulation.  one held up gardening shears.  one of bush's head 
deregulators, james gilleran, brought a chainsaw.  the sub prime mortgage 
crisis was a failure of his  administration, more than any other.  

the left is very different from the right, ronn.  the big money controlling 
their discourse represents a completely different idealogy.  this is class 
warfare.  in the end this election was determined by the economy, not the wars 
in iraq and afghanistan.
jon.




  
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socialism v. capitalism

[Jon Louis Mann]

> >it just might work, but i still 
> prefer european style socialism.

> But not everyone agrees with you in that preference.
> . . . ronn!  :)

a, rnd rightly so, ronn, socialism is not without flaws.  there is dissension 
among socialists, and most would condemn my preference for a mixed economy.  i 
recognize the importance of individual incentives.  i am not against all 
private enterprise by any means, nor am i in favor of a welfare state.  
jon




  
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Re: Why the Great Depression Lasted So Long and Why Prosperity Resumedafter the War

[John Williams]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Dan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, John, do you quote this paper as yet another example of what you
> consider nonsense?

I do not consider it "nonsense", as I don't consider most economics
arguments to be "nonsense". Or, to put it positively, I think it makes
as much sense as many other economics arguments that I am familiar
with. Which is to say, plausible, but not entirely convincing, since
contradictory views can also be argued plausibly.
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RE: Why the Great Depression Lasted So Long and Why Prosperity Resumedafter the War

[Dan M]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of John Williams
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:04 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Why the Great Depression Lasted So Long and Why Prosperity
> Resumedafter the War
I've gone through the attachment with modest care, (I've read the whole
thing and read parts twice, but want to ask a question of John before taking
the time (stretched out over a few days because...fortunatelymy business
is taking almost all of my time) whether he used this paper as just another
example of the nonsense economists write.  I'm less sure with this paper
because it seems to echo his ideas, but if you take his basic principal of
economic analysis (the economy is far too complex for the economists to
understand),as bedrock, then it seems that this paper is yet another example
of failure.

So, John, do you quote this paper as yet another example of what you
consider nonsense?

Dan M. 

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Re: peace offering on the brinlist

[John Williams]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> tell you what, john, i will be delighted to engage in civilized discourse 
> with you.

Is that the carrot or the stick?

> i will stop discussing your personality disorders (unless you enjoy being the 
> topic of discussion).   i will even agree to stop asking you who you really 
> are, what is your tax bracket, and the source of your income!~)

I already gave you my permission to go ahead with that. You and
Charlie have fun now.
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Re: polarization

[Claes Wallin]

Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> Though the 444 days beginning on 4 Nov 79 and the debacle of Desert 
> One certainly contributed.  As well as some of the economic things 
> which as always may or may not have been in whoever is the current 
> President's control but for which he usually gets the blame.

It has been said about Swedish politics that the reason why we have 
never had two liberal governments in a row ("liberal" means right-wing 
in Swedish, as opposed to the social democrat left wing) is that the 
liberals tend to be elected at the end of a big economical upturn, with 
the following downturn occuring during their rule, which makes people 
turn back to the more "safe" left-wing alternative.

(Sorry about the one-sentence paragraph)

/c

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Re: Irregulars question: Second Life?

[Claes Wallin]

Nick Arnett wrote:
> Anybody here a Second Life participant?  I'm talking to them about perhaps
> joining the company... but I'm barely familiar with it as a user.  Any
> suggestions about things to try, etc.  I'm most interested in metrics and
> such, things that are or could be measured, which has to do mostly with the
> economy, of course.

For a quickstart tutorial on controls etc, I would recommend going to 
the House of Sweden. Got me started better than Beginner's Island.

I just registered recently and have barely familiarized myself with the 
available options and tools and the world as such... But one place you 
should definitely check out is the steam punk area. Search for Babbage 
Square in the built-in search interface. There is a box of cool 
Victorian clothes at the railway station (once you figure out how to use 
it; consider it an exercise in SL controls).

 /c

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Re: peace offering on the brinlist

[Lance A. Brown]

Ronn! Blankenship said the following on 11/13/2008 6:45 AM:

> http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Idaho_students_chant_assassinate_Obama_on_1112.html
> 
> *Idaho students chant 'assassinate Obama' on school bus: Report
> *
> *David Edwards and Muriel Kane
> *Published: Wednesday November 12, 2008
> Madison County, Idaho was once dubbed "the reddest place in America" by
> Salon, but that didn't make it any less shocking when elementary school
> children started chanting "assassinate Obama on the school bus.
> 
> Matthew Whoolery told KIKD News he found out about the chanting from his
> second and third graders, who had no idea what the word "assassinate" meant.
> 
> "They just hadn't heard anything like this before," Whoolery stated. "I
> think the thing that struck us was just like, 'Where did they get the
> word and why would they put that word and that person together?'"
> 
> Whoolery, a psychology professor at Brigham Young University in Rexburg,
> is not an Obama supporter, but he was shocked that any public official
> would be threatened in that way. "I don't think that the majority of
> people in Rexburg have extreme ideas like that, but we were just
> surprised that it would go that far," Whoolery told KIKD.
> 
> The Madison County School District has sent out an email saying that
> students are to be told this sort of behavior is unacceptable.


Those kids are gonna be in for a surprise when the Secret Service shows
up


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Re: polarization

[Ronn! Blankenship]

>
>You are The Boss... which team would you hire?



Many times my answer to that question would be:

"E. None of the Above."

but that is not one of the two choices provided.


(As some wag once said and many have repeated since, "Wanting to be 
President ought to immediately and permanently disqualify one from 
ever being President" . . . )


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: polarization

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 10:07 PM Wednesday 11/12/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:

>it just might work, but i still prefer european style socialism.



But not everyone agrees with you in that preference.


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: polarization

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 09:33 PM Wednesday 11/12/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>
> > i think there is a difference in the bitterness on the left and the
> > venom on the right.  both sides feel they are right, but the hate
> > from the right is based on fear, hate and greed, while the left is
> > motivated by idealism, and what defines true patriotism.
>
>Ah. But this language itself is so emotionally loaded that it does
>nothing but contribute to the polarization.



Ding!



>("Sure, everyone's pissed,
>but the left is pissed for more moral reasons!")



LOL!



>The sad truth is that
>the left isn't all that different from the right, not as long as big
>money continues to control the discourse in DC.


Ding!  Ding!!  Ding!!!

(Or should that be "ka-CHING!!)



>Political winds shift, but the lobbyists just change parties to give
>their attention to.



They give to both parties so that whoever is elected will be indebted to them.



>Little else becomes different. You might not have
>been around to sniff the social winds in the US in 1980, but I was,
>and let me tell you that the Dems were quite thoroughly corrupted by
>power and money back then; one of the reasons Reagan won was because
>of the national trend against abuse of power by Democrats.



Though the 444 days beginning on 4 Nov 79 and the debacle of Desert 
One certainly contributed.  As well as some of the economic things 
which as always may or may not have been in whoever is the current 
President's control but for which he usually gets the blame.


. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: peace offering on the brinlist

[Ronn! Blankenship]

At 09:03 PM Wednesday 11/12/2008, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
>On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
>
> > I'm hoping to engage in civilized discourse with no strings
> > attached.  I
> > keep hoping I can be that way no matter how other people may behave.
>
>It's really rather shocking and more than a little depressing to see
>how badly discourse in general has disintegrated over the last half
>decade or so. Now, more than ever before, all I seem to see is shrill,
>shrieking, humorless voices talking *at* one another with damned
>little consideration of the humanity or validity of the other's point
>of view.
>
>Today a protest was staged outside the county courthouse here. Several
>groups, including a local faction of the Minutemen*, were gathered to
>lend voice to the idea that Barack Obama's US citizenship is
>illegitimate or, at best, questionable.



You think that's bad?  From another list this morning (actually, I 
see it was posted last night, after I'd called it a night):





http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Idaho_students_chant_assassinate_Obama_on_1112.html

*Idaho students chant 'assassinate Obama' on school bus: Report
*
*David Edwards and Muriel Kane
*Published: Wednesday November 12, 2008
Madison County, Idaho was once dubbed "the reddest place in America" by
Salon, but that didn't make it any less shocking when elementary school
children started chanting "assassinate Obama on the school bus.

Matthew Whoolery told KIKD News he found out about the chanting from his
second and third graders, who had no idea what the word "assassinate" meant.

"They just hadn't heard anything like this before," Whoolery stated. "I
think the thing that struck us was just like, 'Where did they get the
word and why would they put that word and that person together?'"

Whoolery, a psychology professor at Brigham Young University in Rexburg,
is not an Obama supporter, but he was shocked that any public official
would be threatened in that way. "I don't think that the majority of
people in Rexburg have extreme ideas like that, but we were just
surprised that it would go that far," Whoolery told KIKD.

The Madison County School District has sent out an email saying that
students are to be told this sort of behavior is unacceptable.





. . . ronn!  :)



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Re: peace offering on the brinlist

[Alberto Monteiro]

Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> 
> Today a protest was staged outside the county courthouse here. 
> Several  groups, including a local faction of the Minutemen*, were 
> gathered to  lend voice to the idea that Barack Obama's US 
> citizenship is  illegitimate or, at best, questionable.
> 
It's too late for that, isn't it? The best they could achive
in "proving" Obama's non-USA citizenship would be opening the
presidency door for Arnold Schwarzenegger (give or take a few
n's and g's).

2012 will be fun... Palin x Joe the Plumber x Arnie competing for
the GOP candidacy...

Alberto Monteiro

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