Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Nick Arnett
Okay, I removed the problem address... shouldn't happen any more.

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Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Me neither.

Hi Ticia, good to hear from you.

Doug

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> I DON'T get such messages when sending on the list.
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Re: Status Notification

2011-09-18 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Jo Anne  wrote:

> Nick -- I don't get it, and I'm on the digest...
>

Ah, it probably only goes to those who post... did you get one after you
wrote this message?

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Re: Status Notification

2011-09-18 Thread Jo Anne
Nick -- I don't get it, and I'm on the digest...

Hi Ticia   THREE kids, you and Julia are now the mothers of the list.
Is Julia still here??

Jo Anne
Crone of the List



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RE: Electronic interface options

2011-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship

At 08:00 PM Sunday 9/18/2011, Pat Mathews wrote:
My problem is that I have quite a bit of trouble recognizing people 
in a different context. So if "Kat" wants to poke me, is this 
catmountain in Tijeras? Kat Roberts from the SCA? Or Kit Kat from 
the Porn Page?



The on-line version of the problem faced in the sci-fi community in 
Utah in the eighties*:  we had at least seven folks named "Dave" 
(including Wolverton/Farland), and in any given formal or informal 
gathering there were usually at least two or three if not more, so 
things could get confusing when anyone called out for "Dave" . . .


_
*Several of them afaik are still in the area, though I know some have 
moved elsewhere.



. . . ronn!  :)



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RE: Electronic interface options

2011-09-18 Thread Pat Mathews

My problem is that I have quite a bit of trouble recognizing people in a 
different context. So if "Kat" wants to poke me, is this catmountain in 
Tijeras? Kat Roberts from the SCA? Or Kit Kat from the Porn Page?


http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/





> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:11:01 -0700
> From: net_democr...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Electronic interface options
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> 
> 
> I signed up for Facebook some time ago after receiving the invite from David 
> for the sort of reasons you mention below.  I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the 
> other options to network electronically.  I looked into Twitter, Google+ and 
> a bunch of other links but got FB seems to be winning the with all the 
> various games, etc.  It is mostly superficial and geared toward revenue for 
> that guy who figured out how to become an instant billionaire, but so what?  
> I take the best and disregard the rest and just participate in the very 
> interesting and
> stimulating discussion, especially on David's page.  
> I was put off by a couple trolls who used hit an run tactics, but since they 
> blocked me I no longer see their posts.
> 
> At first I didn't know how to do social media, but am learning how to ignore 
> and block the invites to play Farmville, and sales pitches, etc.  Different 
> strokes for different folks and FB is certainly a diverse community.  If I 
> get a poke, it's from a friend, and I poke back; I never initiate a poke!~)  
> I even friended Nick on FB (and other networks).  He is everywhere and even 
> was friends with Mark Zuckerberg.  
> 
> I thoroughly enjoy the conversation in forums, list servers, etc. I don't 
> know if here is a way to revive Brin-L with links to social media.  we seem 
> to have lost David to that interface somewhat, but he is a futurist and 
> predicted all this!  Brin-L was in the vanguard of all this, but the WWW, 
> Broadband, You Tube, E-Bay, etc. are the wave of the future; for or better or 
> worse...
> 
> The world has changed radically and revolutions are in motion around the 
> word; who knows what will be next, but I listen to David and other authors to 
> keep up...
> 
> Yes "we are still a kind of social network, with a history and connections 
> dating back to a previous online era? A brilliant source for information 
> should we need it? It'll be interesting to see how all the social networking 
> develops in the next few years?"
> Jon Mann
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Electronic interface options

2011-09-18 Thread Jon Louis Mann

I signed up for Facebook some time ago after receiving the invite from David 
for the sort of reasons you mention below.  I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the 
other options to network electronically.  I looked into Twitter, Google+ and a 
bunch of other links but got FB seems to be winning the with all the various 
games, etc.  It is mostly superficial and geared toward revenue for that guy 
who figured out how to become an instant billionaire, but so what?  I take the 
best and disregard the rest and just participate in the very interesting and
stimulating discussion, especially on David's page.  
I was put off by a couple trolls who used hit an run tactics, but since they 
blocked me I no longer see their posts.

At first I didn't know how to do social media, but am learning how to ignore 
and block the invites to play Farmville, and sales pitches, etc.  Different 
strokes for different folks and FB is certainly a diverse community.  If I get 
a poke, it's from a friend, and I poke back; I never initiate a poke!~)  I even 
friended Nick on FB (and other networks).  He is everywhere and even was 
friends with Mark Zuckerberg.  

I thoroughly enjoy the conversation in forums, list servers, etc. I don't know 
if here is a way to revive Brin-L with links to social media.  we seem to have 
lost David to that interface somewhat, but he is a futurist and predicted all 
this!  Brin-L was in the vanguard of all this, but the WWW, Broadband, You 
Tube, E-Bay, etc. are the wave of the future; for or better or worse...

The world has changed radically and revolutions are in motion around the word; 
who knows what will be next, but I listen to David and other authors to keep 
up...

Yes "we are still a kind of social network, with a history and connections 
dating back to a previous online era? A brilliant source for information should 
we need it? It'll be interesting to see how all the social networking develops 
in the next few years?"
Jon Mann


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Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Matt Grimaldi
I DON'T get such messages when sending on the list.

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RE: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Pat Mathews

Well, I got it, and since I didn't see my Reply message to the list pop up, I 
figured there was smeting wrong and it wouldn;t take my reply.


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> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:00:42 -0500
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> From: ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
> Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re:   
> Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!
> 
> At 06:37 PM Sunday 9/18/2011, Nick Arnett wrote:
> >Ugh - I didn't realize everybody was getting this.
> 
> 
> Yep.  I get it every time I send a message to the list, and it sounds 
> like everybody else does, too . . .
> 
> 
> >   Shouldn't happen.  I'll figure it out and stop it.
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> . . . ronn!  :)
> 
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Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship

At 06:37 PM Sunday 9/18/2011, Nick Arnett wrote:

Ugh - I didn't realize everybody was getting this.



Yep.  I get it every time I send a message to the list, and it sounds 
like everybody else does, too . . .




  Shouldn't happen.  I'll figure it out and stop it.



Thanks!


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Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Nick Arnett
Ugh - I didn't realize everybody was getting this.  Shouldn't happen.  I'll
figure it out and stop it.

Nick

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ronn! Blankenship <
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Is there anyone who knows why I and others (I presume the whole list?)
> receive this in response to EVERY message we sent to the list, and can do
> something about it?
>
> TIA!
>
>
>
> (Quoting it in its entirety with full headers in case that info is of help
> to anyone . . . )
>
>
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Re: Still here (Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes)

2011-09-18 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Yup. 

More seriously, why don't we set up circles on google plus? Then we'd still 
have that interaction via means like this one, with about the same openness, 
and the ability to choose correspondents ourselves?

That is, if each of us were to create a 'brin' circle in g+, and add each other 
to our own circles, in that way the conversation would still be live - and if 
someone got too obstreperous for a given person to tolerate, he'd be able to 
remove that person from his own 'brin' circle, without affecting anyone else. 

Strikes me as being pretty grassroots fair and flexible, anyway. 

• Warren • off console • w azkrmc.com • h nightwares.com •

On Sep 18, 2011, at 14:07, "Dan Minette"  wrote:

> I still
> see the trend of the internet is to go more and more to closed circles of
> folks who all agree and short sound byte discussions.

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Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2011-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship


At 04:32 PM Sunday 9/18/2011, Ticia wrote:
And why do I keep getting
this?

On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:02 PM,
postmas...@cenit.de
wrote:
This is an automatically
generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed.
 
a.freib...@cenit.de


Without the extra "e" it reminds me of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Friberg
(And here comes yet another automatically generated Delivery Status
Notification.)

. . . ronn!  :)




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Re: ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship

At 04:48 PM Sunday 9/18/2011, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
Is there anyone who knows why I and others (I presume the whole 
list?) receive this in response to EVERY message we sent to the 
list, and can do something about it?




I see Ticia also wondered the same pretty thing at much the same 
moment, and was nice enough to not try to be as "helpful" as I was . . . :(


And apparently Dan answered my question in the negative . . . :(:(

Oh, well . . .


. . . ronn!  :)



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ADMIN: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure), was Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Is there anyone who knows why I and others (I presume the whole 
list?) receive this in response to EVERY message we sent to the list, 
and can do something about it?


TIA!



(Quoting it in its entirety with full headers in case that info is of 
help to anyone . . . )



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RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2011-09-18 Thread Dan Minette


Behalf Of Ticia

>And why do I keep getting this?

We all do when we post.  There's still a few bugs in the system. :-)

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Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2011-09-18 Thread Ticia
And why do I keep getting this?


On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:02 PM, postmas...@cenit.de wrote:

> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
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> Reporting-MTA: dns;exf-de02.de.cenit-group.com
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> From: Ticia 
> Subject: Re: Still here (Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes)
> Date: September 18, 2011 11:02:04 PM GMT+02:00
> To: "Killer Bs \(David Brin et al\) Discussion" 
> Reply-To: "Killer Bs \(David Brin et al\) Discussion" 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> 
>> I'm still here, of course.  Recently joined NetBase as director of product 
>> management, so I'm busy getting up to speed.
>> 
>> One of the data points NetBase has developed is that despite Twitter, 
>> Facebook, etc., the real conversation still happens, and is increasing, in 
>> forums, list servers, etc.  Discussion tends to start in the new social 
>> media, but if it has any depth, it goes into venues where some depth is 
>> supported.
>> 
>> I suppose if we really want to revive Brin-L, we need to have links to it 
>> appearing periodically in social media.
>> 
> 
> I didn't know that, interesting… 
> 
> See? That's what Brin-L is still good for!  For better or worse we are still 
> a kind of social network, with a history and conections dating back to a 
> previous online era… A brilliant source for information should we need it… 
> It'll be interesting to see how all the social networking develops in the 
> next few years…
> 
> 
> Ticia ',:)
> 
> 
> Ticia Luengo Hendriks
> Co-founder and Editor-in-chief of B-Society.nl  
> 
> B-Society: proposing an alternative to the 9-5 society, taking into account 
> the needs of the 25% of us who are evening types (night owls). 
> A Broader & Better society, healthier and more productive. To Be or not to Be 
> a morning, day or evening type. Which are you? 
> 
> We are part of an international movement originating in Denmark: 
> www.b-society.org  
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RE: Still here (Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes)

2011-09-18 Thread Dan Minette

Nick wrote:

>One of the data points NetBase has developed is that despite Twitter,
>Facebook, etc., the real conversation still happens, and is increasing, in
>forums, list servers, etc.  Discussion tends to start in the new social
>media, but if it has any depth, it goes into venues where some depth is
>supported.

People who I have contact with on other mailing lists have reported that the
vast majority of broad forums, like Brin-L or Culture, have lost a lot of
traffic.  On the whole, most folks I've discussed this with have found few
outlets where long conversations occur.  

I think we've differed on this for more than a decade, Nick. :-)  I still
see the trend of the internet is to go more and more to closed circles of
folks who all agree and short sound byte discussions.

Ticia wrote:

>It'll be interesting to see how all the social networking develops in the
>next few years…

My prediction is that the replacement for Twitter will be a networking site
where there is only room for emotocons. :-)

Dan M. 


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Re: Still here (Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes)

2011-09-18 Thread Ticia

On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:

> I'm still here, of course.  Recently joined NetBase as director of product 
> management, so I'm busy getting up to speed.
> 
> One of the data points NetBase has developed is that despite Twitter, 
> Facebook, etc., the real conversation still happens, and is increasing, in 
> forums, list servers, etc.  Discussion tends to start in the new social 
> media, but if it has any depth, it goes into venues where some depth is 
> supported.
> 
> I suppose if we really want to revive Brin-L, we need to have links to it 
> appearing periodically in social media.
> 

I didn't know that, interesting… 

See? That's what Brin-L is still good for!  For better or worse we are still a 
kind of social network, with a history and conections dating back to a previous 
online era… A brilliant source for information should we need it… It'll be 
interesting to see how all the social networking develops in the next few years…


Ticia ',:)


Ticia Luengo Hendriks
Co-founder and Editor-in-chief of B-Society.nl  

B-Society: proposing an alternative to the 9-5 society, taking into account the 
needs of the 25% of us who are evening types (night owls). 
A Broader & Better society, healthier and more productive. To Be or not to Be a 
morning, day or evening type. Which are you? 

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Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes

2011-09-18 Thread Wayne Eddy
Hi Pat,

I hardly ever use Facebook for the sort of reasons you mention below.  I
think Google+ has dealt with those issues very nicely & the conversations
there are mostly very interesting & stimulating.  If you are interested to
see what social media done well looks like you should give it a try.

Click here if you would like an invite.
https://plus.google.com/i/cFaHskHB458:OADMZ9Ox5uA

and here if you want to have a look at David's public posts.
https://plus.google.com/116665417191671711571/posts?hl=en

Regards,

Wayne

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Pat Mathews  wrote:
>
>
> For what it's worth. I don't do social media, having [begin rant] been
> "poked" (hideous, intrusive act) too many times by people who call up a
> puzzled "Do I know you and from where?" without any way to check their
> profiles before (hideous word) "friending" them. Not to mention being
> bombarded with exhortations to play Farmville, and "See how many people want
> to date you!" (Yeah. Right.) And sales pitches, since every salescritter on
> the planet uses such media as their primary means of communication. [end
> rant].
>
>
> http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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Re: Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Ronn! Blankenship

At 01:17 PM Sunday 9/18/2011, Matt Grimaldi wrote:

Ticia wrote:

> B-Society: proposing an alternative to the 9-5 society,
> taking into account the needs of the 25% of us who are
> evening types (night owls).

That sounds good!  If there was a chapter in L.A., I would want to join!

-- Matt




They meet at Joe's sushi bar downtown starting at 8:00 AM.


. . . ronn!  :)

"Sunrise is Nature's way of telling you it's bedtime." 



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Night Owls Demand Equal Rights!

2011-09-18 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Ticia wrote:

> B-Society: proposing an alternative to the 9-5 society,
> taking into 
account the needs of the 25% of us who are
> evening types (night owls). 


That sounds good!  If there was a chapter in L.A., I would want to join!

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RE: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes

2011-09-18 Thread Pat Mathews

Two problems with the Brin list.

First, each message keeps coming up with the name of the individual sender as 
primary and warning me "This may not be *trustworthy*! Do you want to mark it 
as safe?" 

Each individual sender? Give me a break!!! ,  And I note that hitting "Reply" 
actually does send it back to the list. The Almacks list, out of the U.K., does 
the same thing. My Yahoo-groups lists don't.

Second, the real discussion seems to be happening on his blog, in the comments. 

For what it's worth. I don't do social media, having [begin rant] been "poked" 
(hideous, intrusive act) too many times by people who call up a puzzled "Do I 
know you and from where?" without any way to check their profiles before 
(hideous word) "friending" them. Not to mention being bombarded with 
exhortations to play Farmville, and "See how many people want to date you!" 
(Yeah. Right.) And sales pitches, since every salescritter on the planet uses 
such media as their primary means of communication. [end rant].


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Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:52:48 -0400
From: hob...@newpaltz.edu
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes





From: "Ticia" 
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:35:37 AM
Subject: Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes


On 27 Aug 2011, at 02:46, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 06:57 AM Friday 8/26/2011, KZK wrote:
>> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/08/human-activity-can-cause-earthquakes/
> 
> 
> 
> I really like the instructions given for those who want to leave comments.
> 
> 
> . . . ronn!  :)
> 


Yeah.  Seems to work, too. :)


Wonder how many people are left on this list? Such an oldfashioned mode of 
communication and info-gathering… ;)

Not that I'm keeping up with the new ways much… I try, life is just way too 
busy right now with 3 kids & full time job & setting up the Dutch B-Society to 
spend much time figuring out how the frack FB works or posting every thought I 
have on Twitter… 
--
Ticia--


Hi.  It's good to hear from you.  

I think a lot of us still lurk, but it's hard to keep a conversation
going.

---David


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Still here (Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes)

2011-09-18 Thread Nick Arnett
I'm still here, of course.  Recently joined NetBase as director of product
management, so I'm busy getting up to speed.

One of the data points NetBase has developed is that despite Twitter,
Facebook, etc., the real conversation still happens, and is increasing, in
forums, list servers, etc.  Discussion tends to start in the new social
media, but if it has any depth, it goes into venues where some depth is
supported.

I suppose if we really want to revive Brin-L, we need to have links to it
appearing periodically in social media.

Nick
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Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes

2011-09-18 Thread David Hobby


- Original Message -

From: "Ticia" 
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:35:37 AM
Subject: Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes


On 27 Aug 2011, at 02:46, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 06:57 AM Friday 8/26/2011, KZK wrote:
>> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/08/human-activity-can-cause-earthquakes/
>
>
>
> I really like the instructions given for those who want to leave comments.
>
>
> . . . ronn! :)
>


Yeah. Seems to work, too. :)


Wonder how many people are left on this list? Such an oldfashioned mode of 
communication and info-gathering… ;)

Not that I'm keeping up with the new ways much… I try, life is just way too 
busy right now with 3 kids & full time job & setting up the Dutch B-Society to 
spend much time figuring out how the frack FB works or posting every thought I 
have on Twitter…
--
Ticia--


Hi. It's good to hear from you.

I think a lot of us still lurk, but it's hard to keep a conversation
going.

---David

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Re: Br¡n: On Fracking and Earthquakes

2011-09-18 Thread Ticia

On 27 Aug 2011, at 02:46, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

> At 06:57 AM Friday 8/26/2011, KZK wrote:
>> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/08/human-activity-can-cause-earthquakes/
> 
> 
> 
> I really like the instructions given for those who want to leave comments.
> 
> 
> . . . ronn!  :)
> 


Yeah.  Seems to work, too. :)


Wonder how many people are left on this list? Such an oldfashioned mode of 
communication and info-gathering… ;)

Not that I'm keeping up with the new ways much… I try, life is just way too 
busy right now with 3 kids & full time job & setting up the Dutch B-Society to 
spend much time figuring out how the frack FB works or posting every thought I 
have on Twitter… 


Turned 40 recently... Could anybody tell? 

Ticia ',:)

Ticia Luengo Hendriks
Co-founder and Editor-in-chief of B-Society.nl  

B-Society: proposing an alternative to the 9-5 society, taking into account the 
needs of the 25% of us who are evening types (night owls). 
A Broader & Better society, healthier and more productive. To Be or not to Be a 
morning, day or evening type. Which are you? 

We are part of an international movement originating in Denmark: 
www.b-society.org  





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