Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deborah Harrell wrote: 
> > 
> > (...) found that those women who took 
> > vitamin C supplements had lower risk of heart
> disease. 
> >  
> So Linus Pauling was right, after all. Pity that's  
> too late for his third [or fourth?] Nobel 

But he advised 'megadoses' on the order of 6-7
*grams*/day; this study used ~ 500-700 milligrams/day.
 Megadosing can promote renal stones and a type of
'crystal arthritis' - I don't advise over a gram a
day, except for during colds/flu when 2g is OK as long
as you stay properly hydrated.

Debbi

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Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-14 Thread Reggie Bautista
Debbi wrote:
Guinea Pigs And Horses Are Good For The Soul! Maru  :D
Most definitely!  But as much as I love our guinea pigs, hamsters, dog, cat, 
pygmie hedgehog, hermit crabs, and all the fish, I *really, really* miss 
having horses.  And a local ranch that used to rent riding time stopped 
doing so due to rising insurance costs. :-(

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Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-09 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alberto wrote:

> > >So Linus Pauling was right, after all. Pity
that's
> > > too late for his third [or fourth?] Nobel
> 
> Debbi replied:
> >But he advised 'megadoses' on the order of 6-7
> >*grams*/day; this study used ~ 500-700
> milligrams/day.
> >  Megadosing can promote renal stones and a type of
> >'crystal arthritis' - I don't advise over a gram a
> >day, except for during colds/flu when 2g is OK as
> long as you stay properly hydrated.
> 
> Even 500 milligrams per day seems like a lot.  Isn't
> the RDA about 60 milligrams?  

Yes, 60 or 70mg IIRC; that's the minimum to keep from
scurvy etc.  I think that there is an argument for
increasing the RDA for Vit C, to improve health,
rather than the 'stave off disease' current level.  I
don't recall the proposed 'new' RDA, but it might well
be the dose in your MVI.

> The daily multivitamin I take has something like 120

> milligrams.  An orange has about 70 milligrams, and
> I've always heard that is an excellent source of C.
> 
> By way of comparison, like humans, guinea pigs don't
> manufacture their own 
> vitamin C and they typically need 10 to 15
> milligrams per day (typical 
> weight of an adult male is 1 to 1.5 kg).

  And while horses do make their own, some feel
that they need more for optimal health, and feed
supplements.  I like to let them graze on dandilions
for this (and other) nutrient(s).

Guinea Pigs And Horses Are Good For The Soul! Maru  :D

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Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Deborah Harrell wrote: 
> 
> (...) found that those women who took 
> vitamin C supplements had lower risk of heart disease. 
>  
So Linus Pauling was right, after all. Pity that's  
too late for his third [or fourth?] Nobel 
 
Alberto Monteiro 
 
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Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-08 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debbi wrote:

> >Guinea Pigs And Horses Are Good For The Soul! Maru 
> :D
> 
> Most definitely!  But as much as I love our guinea
> pigs, hamsters, dog, cat, 
> pygmie hedgehog, hermit crabs, and all the fish, I
> *really, really* miss 
> having horses.  And a local ranch that used to rent
> riding time stopped 
> doing so due to rising insurance costs. :-(

More insurance ills... :-/

I guess your state doesn't have an 'equine activities'
clause; in CO anyone who engages in "equine activity"
'acknowledges that it is an inherently dangerous
practice and an equine professional is not liable for
damage' etc. (unless frex you maliciously present as
gentle a known vicious horse).

My 'liability release' form is two pages long (but
I've read ones that are 4 pages of fine print), and
specifies that, among other things, a 'horse may spook
at any foreign object or sudden motion' etc. etc. etc.

What about volunteering at a horse rescue society? 
They usually need folks to rehab/ride (and of course
shovel manure!).

Debbi

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Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-07 Thread Reggie Bautista
Alberto wrote:
> So Linus Pauling was right, after all. Pity that's
> too late for his third [or fourth?] Nobel
Debbi replied:
But he advised 'megadoses' on the order of 6-7
*grams*/day; this study used ~ 500-700 milligrams/day.
 Megadosing can promote renal stones and a type of
'crystal arthritis' - I don't advise over a gram a
day, except for during colds/flu when 2g is OK as long
as you stay properly hydrated.
Even 500 milligrams per day seems like a lot.  Isn't the RDA about 60 
milligrams?  The daily multivitamin I take has something like 120 
milligrams.  An orange has about 70 milligrams, and I've always heard that 
is an excellent source of C.

By way of comparison, like humans, guinea pigs don't manufacture their own 
vitamin C and they typically need 10 to 15 milligrams per day (typical 
weight of an adult male is 1 to 1.5 kg).

Reggie Bautista

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[Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart

2003-08-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/71/81186.htm

"...The data come from 85,118 healthy women studied
since 1976 in The Nurses Health Study. Boston
Children's Hospital researcher Stavroula K. Osganian,
MD, and colleagues found that those women who took
vitamin C supplements had lower risk of heart disease.


"It's a modest effect. Use of vitamin C supplements
lowered heart disease risk by 28%. But every little
bit helps. Protection came from rather small doses of
vitamin C -- up to about 700 mg per day, including
dietary sources such as fruit juice. That's no
megadose. But it's 10 times the current Recommended
Daily Allowance for women... 

Debbi 
Wading Through The Backlog Maru

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