Re: 24? **correction^2**
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:30 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. Ah, ok, I should have mentioned that 500 of them are _trailing_ zeroes. I didn't count the middle zeroes Neither did I . . . 2500! has 500 trailing 0s from the 500 numbers divisible by 5 another 100 trailing 0s from the 100 numbers divisible by 25 another 20 trailing 0s from the 20 numbers divisible by 125 another 4 trailing 0s from the 4 numbers divisible by 625 for a total of 624 trailing 0s. (Of course, you need a 2 to go with each 5 to give you a trailing 0, but as 2500! has as a factor 2^2495 (if I did my math right), that shouldn't be too much of a problem) Heck, I just counted 'em . . . Actually I Told The Computer To Count Them For Me Maru Telling the computer to count them is probably the most efficient method. :) I just felt like explaining. I'm waiting for Alberto's response now. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction^2**
At 07:14 AM Monday 4/18/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:30 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. Ah, ok, I should have mentioned that 500 of them are _trailing_ zeroes. I didn't count the middle zeroes Neither did I . . . 2500! has 500 trailing 0s from the 500 numbers divisible by 5 another 100 trailing 0s from the 100 numbers divisible by 25 another 20 trailing 0s from the 20 numbers divisible by 125 another 4 trailing 0s from the 4 numbers divisible by 625 for a total of 624 trailing 0s. (Of course, you need a 2 to go with each 5 to give you a trailing 0, but as 2500! has as a factor 2^2495 (if I did my math right), that shouldn't be too much of a problem) Heck, I just counted 'em . . . Actually I Told The Computer To Count Them For Me Maru Telling the computer to count them is probably the most efficient method. :) I just felt like explaining. I'm waiting for Alberto's response now. Though it is nice when the experimental/computational result agrees with the theoretical prediction. (Of course, it can be Nobel material when the experimental result turns out to be incompatible with the prediction of the long-accepted theoretical model . . . although it is fairly rare for that to happen in straightforward mathematics . . . ) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction^2**
Julia Thompson wrote: 2500! has 500 trailing 0s from the 500 numbers divisible by 5 another 100 trailing 0s from the 100 numbers divisible by 25 another 20 trailing 0s from the 20 numbers divisible by 125 another 4 trailing 0s from the 4 numbers divisible by 625 for a total of 624 trailing 0s. Yikes! I forgot that! Hell, I guess I am working too much. This causes brain damage :-/ Alberto Monteiro the mathematically challenged ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction^2**
At 08:22 PM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: That should read 2500! , which, with iirc 7412 digits, Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. 162424169263546896681057474396633653999428343665976117059851739595300015681181171091114301822189949967063775407379642957266480360849144773982699565766503949953039081536069313589385624248687168633365117877728319632346514905978458047074520807127737619451831790023662437656379915366899692425817099473955735537991551620610205879561628364536090561091825520933523438440298824173752468219542814600203368965255916069562338913433294969546310263930229454748650689662592679638050717072642347493989468072742236518740460239946352245451040613097756653973305720645026457997934905356924399618617581860376174835804874205168542257467008667252720784248969925977883224857503131037675382806351903130554386521130700598953600694590165036980214021274304347037205774546036842214862077129715702791830982471445806697511922924126875707763824427831458131252725129871400134654305773736954160374386043307314954277237484986013167770729137200202006247592856875946971039429028314584331171481048021391502558449541 56372 7 02572242931979348640772104241935322544694355717741028042721831057393383946811950229862119018492668601533950515675995793861869894105137524428488796590017749394464101657140531047449031317150211285312051145217906000448322292856476064080179041772517805638616704522178956984018390162683438304694297727727823412207694734265878202872900194730775246958252155279043555763913056000888393253937210136778443737969895720575345197710315491879632577212080296732791524306529332768002582234532193839787438122696823349137174760687670811121707247122877205618078452290605963728534389393406703483582596248272104119965697657195713053485619074455216492879719763758474871783557654928157780691218383646855409834599921063373144702996594627688077741944550267192758309026313016206320680530057452746436412708183108931890404685083431502083760663324657349706015263327982666486689576849283883469142513936741022368381903094157650249629927012864342540407330646247523995884057015184717062826800920338962166558742062917836 33993 5 141477580556616102759761599188076139416375666490347795870693771994374763723589255579113470055333978002998933446236448649956338643549877097069790252117694271543914179639916424071991406456604783979658667979051009689054775584486605430424545544714920455985028492775158386405002083658607397637102066859718496781089357617987825390662781413816362946370821897681257991937027979675382384665624733872791767882787048074812304136442761397202291044563080832580377638267813956876382413025080202917826793584257121650412123520882505429616566103075620837174268640282540480455850132783967073129880985093071992445252514130186381078712714063758016195279647093101266993274256523423961603133711408102269492141364126038642438865230137171125515326882761649529344271578108949579540468374457967645952172970201620014703437577823700858509535523206371008829195799121631083700283144039692410032342906345682704589559491712643349070579777699080753819211139663515875866484677383741356415521398949535078568904124 02614 6 417851841846502696350820325203824616665560520832407496598419273319746277101767272630092328860754001447275789011340343421192149628843700016255127264525232061521571665417524893885032804631307069036140537137332962373616673129910109329836565405603773308322627700426960957310406944879068486454621909899617111099891132419747980689647030598711956093285658271964342301981788004122423719427466860471549619840720735580943138949037248842220667778316694197328981603606337472374829869683690230088896904482452582891057068762307500842542017972441217463201313475255892144860947817662657335389079180168522288684999073151813383940807233211260324401898288236999703282558611871439220820191477688836626121913025091354615110514776308082965192829007410663160500772425443148810580457288706932823268304330190046616005217238366518173815298984406363839170954758990040942063174683763773141538560188400693772185589033349393713433957772644263653181308876835998360883454971583225565535950948408946546144063833763968681995 31042 9
Re: 24? **correction^2**
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. Ah, ok, I should have mentioned that 500 of them are _trailing_ zeroes. I didn't count the middle zeroes Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction^2**
At 08:49 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. Ah, ok, I should have mentioned that 500 of them are _trailing_ zeroes. I didn't count the middle zeroes Neither did I . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction^2**
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. Ah, ok, I should have mentioned that 500 of them are _trailing_ zeroes. I didn't count the middle zeroes Neither did I . . . 2500! has 500 trailing 0s from the 500 numbers divisible by 5 another 100 trailing 0s from the 100 numbers divisible by 25 another 20 trailing 0s from the 20 numbers divisible by 125 another 4 trailing 0s from the 4 numbers divisible by 625 for a total of 624 trailing 0s. (Of course, you need a 2 to go with each 5 to give you a trailing 0, but as 2500! has as a factor 2^2495 (if I did my math right), that shouldn't be too much of a problem) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction^2**
At 09:30 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM Sunday 4/17/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes 624, actually. Ah, ok, I should have mentioned that 500 of them are _trailing_ zeroes. I didn't count the middle zeroes Neither did I . . . 2500! has 500 trailing 0s from the 500 numbers divisible by 5 another 100 trailing 0s from the 100 numbers divisible by 25 another 20 trailing 0s from the 20 numbers divisible by 125 another 4 trailing 0s from the 4 numbers divisible by 625 for a total of 624 trailing 0s. (Of course, you need a 2 to go with each 5 to give you a trailing 0, but as 2500! has as a factor 2^2495 (if I did my math right), that shouldn't be too much of a problem) Heck, I just counted 'em . . . Actually I Told The Computer To Count Them For Me Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SSN ZIP Data (was: Re: 24? **correction**)
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And sometimes it's not a number, it's a text string. Some programmers don't seem to realize this. At least, some programmers writing code for programs at the university I attended didn't at some point. It's annoying to have the grade report arrive a few days late because the zip code was treated as a number when you (unlike most of the attendees) live in New Hampshire, where all zip codes start out 03. (I'll spare everyone the similar rant about Social Security numbers being treated as numbers rather than text strings. Just assume there is one.) That programmer was definitely smoking something if he forgot to force a leading zero for the zip code. Either he screwed up the research, or screwed up the coding. Having had to deal with SSNs and ZIPs when programming, I can say that there are a (very) few tricks that are made possible by treating those data as numbers, but many more problems. The thing that they don't seem to understand is that these numbers (I'm including bank accounts, etc) are really labels and not numbers at all. Proper zero-padding can be critical. Also, most of the useful number-based tricks are made possible with strings if you get the user interface to force properly formatted data and faithfully preserve zero padding in the string as well. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SSN ZIP Data (was: Re: 24? **correction**)
At 12:31 PM Friday 4/15/2005, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And sometimes it's not a number, it's a text string. Some programmers don't seem to realize this. At least, some programmers writing code for programs at the university I attended didn't at some point. It's annoying to have the grade report arrive a few days late because the zip code was treated as a number when you (unlike most of the attendees) live in New Hampshire, where all zip codes start out 03. (I'll spare everyone the similar rant about Social Security numbers being treated as numbers rather than text strings. Just assume there is one.) That programmer was definitely smoking something if he forgot to force a leading zero for the zip code. Either he screwed up the research, or screwed up the coding. Having had to deal with SSNs and ZIPs when programming, I can say that there are a (very) few tricks that are made possible by treating those data as numbers, but many more problems. The thing that they don't seem to understand is that these numbers (I'm including bank accounts, etc) are really labels and not numbers at all. Proper zero-padding can be critical. Also, most of the useful number-based tricks are made possible with strings if you get the user interface to force properly formatted data and faithfully preserve zero padding in the string as well. And in some versions of FORTRAN you can use the ENCODE and DECODE statements to effectively read the data twice: once as a literal and again as a numeric field, if for some reason you really want to have it as a number . . . and if for some reason you really want to use FORTRAN . . . It Beats Doing Your Report Program In Assembly Language Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction**
At 06:52 PM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:21 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Back in the days when a mainframe with a total of 8K 16-bit words of magnetic core memory was the biggest thing I had available, I wasted a bit of time programming it to calculate exact values up to 25! That should read 2500! , which, with iirc 7412 digits, was the largest one I could squeeze into the amount of memory available (the OS took up about 2K of that memory). Sometimes Nothing Really Matters Maru -- Ronn! :) And sometimes it's not a number, it's a text string. Some programmers don't seem to realize this. At least, some programmers writing code for programs at the university I attended didn't at some point. It's annoying to have the grade report arrive a few days late because the zip code was treated as a number when you (unlike most of the attendees) live in New Hampshire, where all zip codes start out 03. (I'll spare everyone the similar rant about Social Security numbers being treated as numbers rather than text strings. Just assume there is one.) And the thing is that if those programs were originally written long ago and so were in legacy COBOL, it is a rather easy matter to specify a field as a ZIP code or a SSN. Did Anyone Notice Any Significant Improvement In Their Zone Starting On 1 July 1963 Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
At 12:19 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. Alberto Monteiro Wouldn't that be equal to L(11)? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
While on the topic of TV, did anyone else get the impression that the screenwriter(s) of CSI: Miami must have had their taxes audited recently? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Back in the days when a mainframe with a total of 8K 16-bit words of magnetic core memory was the biggest thing I had available, I wasted a bit of time programming it to calculate exact values up to 25!, which, with iirc 7412 digits, was the largest one I could squeeze into the amount of memory available (the OS took up about 2K of that memory). This Message By Itself May Well Use That Much Memory Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
* Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Yeah, that was clear enough. ? means a question (also, in some programming languages it begins a conditional). I don't follow Alberto's logic for a ? meaning the inverse factorial function. Is there anyone besides Alberto who has used ? to mean the inverse factorial? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction**
At 11:21 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Back in the days when a mainframe with a total of 8K 16-bit words of magnetic core memory was the biggest thing I had available, I wasted a bit of time programming it to calculate exact values up to 25! That should read 2500! , which, with iirc 7412 digits, was the largest one I could squeeze into the amount of memory available (the OS took up about 2K of that memory). Sometimes Nothing Really Matters Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
At 11:23 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Erik Reuter wrote: * Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Yeah, that was clear enough. ? means a question (also, in some programming languages it begins a conditional). I don't follow Alberto's logic for a ? meaning the inverse factorial function. Is there anyone besides Alberto who has used ? to mean the inverse factorial? ¿How about: 4! = 24, therefore ¡24 = 4? Notatioñ Espanol Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction**
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:21 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:25 AM Wednesday 4/13/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. I was taking it to mean what is 24? And the answer to that question is 4*3*2*1, among other things :) Back in the days when a mainframe with a total of 8K 16-bit words of magnetic core memory was the biggest thing I had available, I wasted a bit of time programming it to calculate exact values up to 25! That should read 2500! , which, with iirc 7412 digits, was the largest one I could squeeze into the amount of memory available (the OS took up about 2K of that memory). Sometimes Nothing Really Matters Maru -- Ronn! :) And sometimes it's not a number, it's a text string. Some programmers don't seem to realize this. At least, some programmers writing code for programs at the university I attended didn't at some point. It's annoying to have the grade report arrive a few days late because the zip code was treated as a number when you (unlike most of the attendees) live in New Hampshire, where all zip codes start out 03. (I'll spare everyone the similar rant about Social Security numbers being treated as numbers rather than text strings. Just assume there is one.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24? **correction**
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: That should read 2500! , which, with iirc 7412 digits, Yes, 2500! = 1.628 10^7411 has 7412 digits, but 500 of them are zeroes Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
4! Sheesh. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24?
Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24, (was Gautam's energy levels (was: Re: My return and baseball))
At 11:35 PM 11/18/02, Russell Chapman wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: I only watch about 4.5 hours of TV a week (Alias, the Simpsons, 24, the West Wing, and Law Order) I was surprised to see 24 there - is there a second series or something? Yes. How would they do that? It is several months later. The black guy who was running for President in the original series (sorry, I don't remember his name) is now President, of course, and as the new series begins, he has been informed of what is supposed to be an absolutely credible threat that terrorists are planning to detonate a nuclear weapon in Los Angeles sometime that day. So, after half an hour of hemming and hawing, guess who he calls out of retirement . . . I struggled through to 11pm (ie ep 23), but that introduced so many gaping plot holes and other stupidity that I was no longer able to maintain suspension of disbelief. It would have been a much better show if it was called 12. I agree there were parts that dragged (though with the concept of showing the events of the day as they happen, some of that was probably inevitable: if you think back on what was probably the worst day of your life (whatever that was), there were probably _some_ periods when not much happened, or at least nothing seemed to be happening but waiting). I also missed the last hour, but for a different reason: I teach a class on Tuesday nights, so I have to record it (along with _Buffy_, _Smallville_, and _JAG_) and on occasion one or more of those either doesn't record for some reason or the weather is so bad that it interferes with the signal and renders the tape unwatchable. Anyway, it didn't get recorded, and they never reran it, so . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24
Ronn Blankenship wrote: I teach a class on Tuesday nights, so I have to record it (along with _Buffy_, _Smallville_, and _JAG_) Did they _also_ shift _Smallville_ from 21:00 to 22:00 so that it would compete with _Angel_ instead of _Buffy_? Watching too much TV Maru Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:37 AM Subject: Re: 24 Ronn Blankenship wrote: I teach a class on Tuesday nights, so I have to record it (along with _Buffy_, _Smallville_, and _JAG_) Did they _also_ shift _Smallville_ from 21:00 to 22:00 so that it would compete with _Angel_ instead of _Buffy_? Here, Smallville has always been in the same time slot 20:00. BTW have you guys been watching Birds Of Prey? Its very similar to Smallville. xponent Huntress Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 24
Robert Seeberger wrote: Did they _also_ shift _Smallville_ from 21:00 to 22:00 so that it would compete with _Angel_ instead of _Buffy_? Here, Smallville has always been in the same time slot 20:00. Ok - but do you have the Tuesday Vampires double session with Buffy + Angel? BTW have you guys been watching Birds Of Prey? Its very similar to Smallville. Yep. Ep 2 last week, the one where Mia Sara is taking a shower and the (**%* censorship %***( didn't show anything :-/ We had many premieres in November, in the Warner Channel: ER (Year 8), Smallville (Year 2), Witchblade (Year 2), Fastlane, Birds of Prey, Presidio Med, Everwood, etc. They are slow in subtitling :-) [[BTW, the most ridiculous thing in tv.br is the show Tequilla and Bonetti, that is spoken in Italian, dubbed to English (!!!) and subtitled in Portuguese. Why not keep the original language?]] Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
