Re: Re: On the topic of atheism.

2003-07-09 Thread John D. Giorgis

---Original Message---
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>So what does 'the Dodo is extinct' mean?

What does "the coelacanth is extinct" mean?

And what did it mean 100 years ago?

JDG
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Re: Re: On the topic of atheism.

2003-07-10 Thread John D. Giorgis

---Original Message---
From: Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"It is impossible to prove that God ...exists... with the exception of anecdotal 
examples."
>

Why does belief in anecdotal examples constitute "faith"?  Is there some kind of 
"critical mass" of anecdotal examples that constitutes proof?   Or do you consider 
belief in evolution to require a similar type of "faith" as you attribute to being 
required for belief in God?

JDG  
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Re: Re: On the topic of atheism.

2003-07-10 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:53:46AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:

> ---Original Message--- From: Jon Gabriel
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "It is impossible to prove that God
> ...exists... with the exception of anecdotal examples."
>
>
> Why does belief in anecdotal examples constitute "faith"?  Is there
> some kind of "critical mass" of anecdotal examples that constitutes
> proof?  Or do you consider belief in evolution to require a similar
> type of "faith" as you attribute to being required for belief in God?

Because repeatable experiments that give the same results when done by
anyone, anytime result in reliable knowledge. Anecdotes and folk tales
are not reliable or repeatable.

-- 
"Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   http://www.erikreuter.net/
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Re: Re: On the topic of atheism.

2003-07-10 Thread Robert Seeberger

- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Re: On the topic of atheism.


> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:53:46AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
>
> > ---Original Message--- From: Jon Gabriel
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "It is impossible to prove that God
> > ...exists... with the exception of anecdotal examples."
> >
> >
> > Why does belief in anecdotal examples constitute "faith"?  Is there
> > some kind of "critical mass" of anecdotal examples that constitutes
> > proof?  Or do you consider belief in evolution to require a similar
> > type of "faith" as you attribute to being required for belief in God?
>
> Because repeatable experiments that give the same results when done by
> anyone, anytime result in reliable knowledge. Anecdotes and folk tales
> are not reliable or repeatable.
>

Erik, could you give me a brief rundown on the repeatable experiments
performed in the past that tried to prove or disprove the existence of
deities or Deity. I'd also like to hear your opinion on the qualities that
would make or not make them "good science".

I know it sounds like I'm being sarcastic or flippant, but you seem to have
been convinced at some point by something you consider factual or actual,
and I'm curious as to what it was you found to be convincing.

xponent
Broaden My Horizons Maru
rob


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