Re: Papers Please!
On Nov 28, 2005, at 8:35 PM, The Fool wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/28/D8E5RPBO5.html Miami police announced Monday they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep terrorists guessing and remind people to be vigilant. He means afraid. You can't control people as easily if they're not running scared. Wait... Isn't that how terrorism works? Deputy Police Chief Frank Fernandez said officers might, for example, surround a bank building, check the IDs of everyone going in and out and hand out leaflets about terror threats. Leaflets, tracts, what's the difference. I wonder if they'll go around asking, Have you heard the word of Allah lately? This is an in-your-face type of strategy. It's letting the terrorists know we are out there, Fernandez said. And letting the rest of the people know who's in charge, and it ain't you. The operations will keep terrorists off guard, Fernandez said. He said al-Qaida and other terrorist groups plot attacks by putting places under surveillance and watching for flaws and patterns in security. The operations will keep citizens in a state of frenzy and frustration, Land said. He said that the Republican party and other civil rights violators plot attacks by putting places under surveillance and watching for flaws and patterns in security. Police Chief John Timoney said there was no specific, credible threat of an imminent terror attack in Miami. Though we now have specific, credible evidence of an imminent attack on civil liberties in that fair city. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Doug wrote: I haven't seen or used any of the fingerprint stuff yet, but I can't say as it would bother me a whole lot. In fact, if it would protect me against identity theft I would say that the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. Of course maybe it's because my fingerprints are on file in a few places already (California DMV, U.S. DoD). It bothers me much more that people can sell information about me without my knowledge - especially private stuff like financial info. What's the big deal about fingerprint I.D. to those of you that dislike it so much? My fingerprints are also on file (part of the medical licensing process in several states), and I don't object to that level of identity proof when one is in a sensitive area (like the DoD). And I agree that the selling of private information is a serious problem (as I mentioned, the CO DoMV _was_ selling drivers' license info until they were publicly 'outed'). But as I also stated, while the Jeffco sheriff's office says that 'print info won't be used unless fraud is involved, the example of the misuse of information-gathering by a nearby law enforcement agency (Denver City Police) does not engender my confidence. I must add that I think the vast majority of law-enforcement folks are good people trying to do difficult, dangerous work - but without transparency/reciprocity, collecting sensitive information on ordinary citizens _without evidence of their misbehavior_ seems invasive to me. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Deborah Harrell wrote: But as I also stated, while the Jeffco sheriff's office says that 'print info won't be used unless fraud is involved, the example of the misuse of information-gathering by a nearby law enforcement agency (Denver City Police) does not engender my confidence. I must add that I think the vast majority of law-enforcement folks are good people trying to do difficult, dangerous work - but without transparency/reciprocity, collecting sensitive information on ordinary citizens _without evidence of their misbehavior_ seems invasive to me. You won't hear me argue that we don't need greater transparency. There's also the point DB makes in TS: Well financed criminals will almost certainly develop those artifices long seen in spy thrillers: an artificial fingertip covering, crafted by adroit machines to fool some of the print readers that are coming on to the market. (hardcover p240) Doug Hmmm. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- The Fool wrote: http://www.kusa.com/storyfull.asp?id=7112 Jeffco stores soon to require fingerprints for all check and credit card purchases by 9NEWS reporter Ginger Delgado, edited by Web Producer Paola Farer October 02, 2002 - 7:59 AM JEFFERSON COUNTY - You'll soon have to provide a fingerprint to go shopping in Jefferson County. Consumers using checks or credit cards will have to give their prints to merchants. snip The important thing about this to remember is that it doesn't put an honest customer's fingerprint into a database somewhere, said Sgt. George Hinkle. The only people that are actually going to have their fingerprints processed are the crooks. Sre...until someone decides that there might be another use, given that the Denver Police Dept. recently was forced to make public their files on protest marchers (_not_ people convicted or suspected of vandalism or anything else, just having participated in a public demonstration). Of course, that may be small potatoes, since the Colorado Dept of Motor Vehicles was selling their driver lists - including pictures! - to various companies (that was stopped after the story went public). The fingerprints will be kept on file until the transactions clear. If there's a problem, the prints will be passed along to investigators. The new policy will take effect throughout Jefferson County in the next few weeks. Where I won't be shopping, just because, unless it's cash. Formerly the USA Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: papers please
The Fool wrote: http://www.kusa.com/storyfull.asp?id=7112 Jeffco stores soon to require fingerprints for all check and credit card purchases by 9NEWS reporter Ginger Delgado, edited by Web Producer Paola Farer October 02, 2002 - 7:59 AM JEFFERSON COUNTY - You'll soon have to provide a fingerprint to go shopping in Jefferson County. Consumers using checks or credit cards will have to give their prints to merchants. rest snipped The annoying thing is, there was no indication of which *state* this Jefferson County is in. There are at least 11 states with Jefferson Counties. (I gave up counting at 11. There are probably more.) (The web page indicates it's Colorado.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
