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On 19/09/2011, at 6:04 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: Testing… Woohoo. It's alive. ALIIIVV!!! *cackle* Hi folks, Yes, I'm still about. Charlie Living In A Land Down Under ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Let me join in the test. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Subject: Testing... From: char...@culturelist.org Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:04:27 +1000 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Testing… 1… 1… Charlie ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Re: Testing for DB
On 20/02/2009, at 4:37 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: This message should not reach (i.e., bother) David Brin. It bothered me. ;-) Charlie. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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This message should not reach (i.e., bother) David Brin. Nick Alas, This one did... as well as the other one. So it isn't working. Bear with us, folks! db___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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If you are, today's Giveaway of the Day may be useful: http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/adit-testdesk/ Adit Testdesk is an ad hoc suite of tools that enables you to build tests, run them and analyze test results. Using its robust library with over 10 question types, you can create a test of any complexity level. Your test may combine true-false questions, multiple choice questions, matching questions, to name a few. The look of the test may be easily customized according to your needs, using not only text, but also images, tables and OLE objects. (Note that you have to download and install it while it's still Monday.) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I see the similarity in method. The only difference I see is that the Oregon study looked at several drug traces and the UN report looks only at cocaine. Yeah, I just knew I'd seen the method used elsewhere. Strange the Oregon study didn't name the cities. I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. Which one is that? Martin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On Aug 27, 2007, at 6:49 AM, Martin Lewis wrote: I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. Which one is that? It must suck not to have the Internet :-). As for the 5th amendment, it has to do with due process of law. In short, don't expect any arrests of the population of New York on suspicion of possession of cocaine. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 27, 2007, at 6:49 AM, Martin Lewis wrote: I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. Which one is that? It must suck not to have the Internet :-). As for the 5th amendment, it has to do with due process of law. Gee, with all that, why not go whole-hog and offer a Wikipedia link? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Julia or you could just offer the text: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fw: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities On 8/25/2007 12:55:45 PM, Martin Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I see the similarity in method. The only difference I see is that the Oregon study looked at several drug traces and the UN report looks only at cocaine. Yeah, I just knew I'd seen the method used elsewhere. Strange the Oregon study didn't name the cities. Apparently this has been going on since 2005 or so and without wide attention, so it's somewhat newsworthy. BTW, thanks for passing on the link! It widens the scope on this sort of activity. I suppose the cities were not named in order to prevent the sort of ruckus where city officials complain that their towns are being unjustly tarred. You see a good bit of that over here. (such as when some magazine lists the 10 fattest cities or the 10 most polluted cities...) I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. Part of the 5th amendment protects one against being forced to testify against ones self. (some would say against self-incrimination) There are people who claim that urine testing for drug use (as a requirement for employment for example) violates the 5th amendment. I'm not a fan of the piss test, but I also recognize that the same arguments could be used to invalidate DNA testing or even fingerprinting if one were to gravitate to the extreme. xponent A Pee Moderate Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.click2houston.com/health/13948804/detail.html?treets=houtml=hou_8pmts=Ttmi=hou_8pm_1_08000508242007 Oregon State University scientists tested 10 unnamed American cities for remnants of drugs, both legal and illegal, from wastewater streams. They were able to show that they could get a good snapshot of what people are taking. Isn't this just what the UN but theyname the cities and it is worldwide? http://www.unodc.org/unodc/world_drug_report.html Martin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/2007 4:31:18 AM, Martin Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.click2houston.com/health/13948804/detail. html?treets=houtml=hou_8pmts=Ttmi=hou_8pm_1_08000508242007 Oregon State University scientists tested 10 unnamed American cities for remnants of drugs, both legal and illegal, from wastewater streams. They were able to show that they could get a good snapshot of what people are taking. Isn't this just what the UN but theyname the cities and it is worldwide? http://www.unodc.org/unodc/world_drug_report.html Not that I can tell. I looked through the prefaces and the methodology and couldn't find a mention of wastewater testing. Can you point to the relevant mentions? xponent Don't Cross The Streams Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oregon State University scientists tested 10 unnamed American cities for remnants of drugs, both legal and illegal, from wastewater streams. They were able to show that they could get a good snapshot of what people are taking. Isn't this just what the UN do but they name the cities and it is worldwide? http://www.unodc.org/unodc/world_drug_report.html Not that I can tell. I looked through the prefaces and the methodology and couldn't find a mention of wastewater testing. Can you point to the relevant mentions? Check Section 4: Methodology. They have a graph of estimated cocaine use based on waste water analysis on page 272. New York City is number one by some margin. Martin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/07, Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check Section 4: Methodology. They have a graph of estimated cocaine use based on waste water analysis on page 272. New York City is number one by some margin. Are they, like, totally wasted? Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/2007 10:22:46 AM, Martin Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oregon State University scientists tested 10 unnamed American cities for remnants of drugs, both legal and illegal, from wastewater streams. They were able to show that they could get a good snapshot of what people are taking. Isn't this just what the UN do but they name the cities and it is worldwide? http://www.unodc.org/unodc/world_drug_report.html Not that I can tell. I looked through the prefaces and the methodology and couldn't find a mention of wastewater testing. Can you point to the relevant mentions? Check Section 4: Methodology. They have a graph of estimated cocaine use based on waste water analysis on page 272. New York City is number one by some margin. Ahhh...OK! I don't think my browser downloaded the PDF in it's entirety the first time through. I thought I'd reached the bottom, but apparently I didn't. Yes, I see the similarity in method. The only difference I see is that the Oregon study looked at several drug traces and the UN report looks only at cocaine. Beyond that, the UN report clearly states that it is not the UN who does such testing, but that they gleaned the info from other sources. I wouldn't exactly call the studies worldwide, it is pretty much just the US and Europe. But since the main clusters of end-users (drug users) are on these two continents the implications are significant and of interest. Significant and of interest no matter which side of the drug-war debate one falls on. I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. ATM, I'm on the fence, awaiting further news. xponent What Right Do You Have To Your Pee? Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I see the similarity in method. The only difference I see is that the Oregon study looked at several drug traces and the UN report looks only at cocaine. Yeah, I just knew I'd seen the method used elsewhere. Strange the Oregon study didn't name the cities. I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. Which one is that? Martin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/2007 12:55:45 PM, Martin Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On 8/25/07, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I see the similarity in method. The only difference I see is that the Oregon study looked at several drug traces and the UN report looks only at cocaine. Yeah, I just knew I'd seen the method used elsewhere. Strange the Oregon study didn't name the cities. Apparently this has been going on since 2005 or so and without wide attention, so it's somewhat newsworthy. BTW, thanks for passing on the link! It widens the scope on this sort of activity. I suppose the cities were not named in order to prevent the sort of ruckus where city officials complain that their towns are being unjustly tarred. You see a good bit of that over here. (such as when some magazine lists the 10 fattest cities or the 10 most polluted cities...) I think also this could impinge upon 5th amendment debates. Part of the 5th amendment protects one against being forced to testify against ones self. (some would say against self-incrimination) There are people who claim that urine testing for drug use (as a requirement for employment for example) violates the 5th amendment. I'm not a fan of the piss test, but I also recognize that the same arguments could be used to invalidate DNA testing or even fingerprinting if one were to gravitate to the extreme. xponent A Pee Moderate Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On Aug 25, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On 8/25/07, Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check Section 4: Methodology. They have a graph of estimated cocaine use based on waste water analysis on page 272. New York City is number one by some margin. Are they, like, totally wasted? Three of the top five cities are in the United States. U-S-A! ... U-S-A! ... U-S-A! Dave You say I'm number one, but you treat me like number two Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
On 8/25/2007 10:09:47 AM, Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Aug 25, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On 8/25/07, Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check Section 4: Methodology. They have a graph of estimated cocaine use based on waste water analysis on page 272. New York City is number one by some margin. Are they, like, totally wasted? Three of the top five cities are in the United States. U-S-A! ... U-S-A! ... U-S-A! As a nation of immigrants we owe our drug use dominance to Cheech and Chong! xponent They Deserve Mention Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Water Allows Drug Testing Of Whole Cities
http://www.click2houston.com/health/13948804/detail.html?treets=houtml=hou_8pmts=Ttmi=hou_8pm_1_08000508242007 http://tinyurl.com/2t2ol8 Researchers have figured out how to give an entire community a drug test using just a teaspoon of wastewater from a city's sewer plant. The test wouldn't be used to finger any single person as a drug user. But it would help federal law enforcement and other agencies track the spread of dangerous drugs, like methamphetamine, across the country. Oregon State University scientists tested 10 unnamed American cities for remnants of drugs, both legal and illegal, from wastewater streams. They were able to show that they could get a good snapshot of what people are taking. It's a community urinalysis, said Caleb Banta-Green, a University of Washington drug abuse researcher who was part of the Oregon State team. The scientists presented their results Tuesday at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in Boston. Two federal agencies have taken samples from U.S. waterways to see if drug testing a whole city is doable, but they haven't gotten as far as the Oregon researchers. One of the early results of the new study showed big differences in methamphetamine use city to city. One urban area with a gambling industry had meth levels more than five times higher than other cities. Yet methamphetamine levels were virtually nonexistent in some smaller Midwestern locales, said Jennifer Field, the lead researcher and a professor of environmental toxicology at Oregon State. The ingredient Americans consume and excrete the most was caffeine, Field said. Cities in the experiment ranged from 17,000 to 600,000 in population, but Field declined to identify them, saying that could harm her relationship with the sewage plant operators. She plans to start a survey for drugs in the wastewater of at least 40 Oregon communities. The science behind the testing is simple. Nearly every drug - legal and illicit - that people take leaves the body. That waste goes into toilets and then into wastewater treatment plants. Wastewater facilities are wonderful places to understand what humans consume and excrete, Field said. In the study presented Tuesday, one teaspoon of untreated sewage water from each of the cities was tested for 15 different drugs. Field said researchers can't calculate how many people in a town are using drugs. She said that one fairly affluent community scored low for illicit drugs except for cocaine. Cocaine and ecstasy tended to peak on weekends and drop on weekdays, she said, while methamphetamine and prescription drugs were steady throughout the week. Field said her study suggests that a key tool currently used by drug abuse researchers - self-reported drug questionnaires - underestimates drug use. We have so few indicators of current use, said Jane Maxwell of the Addiction Research Institute at the University of Texas, who wasn't part of the study. This could be a very interesting new indicator. David Murray, chief scientist for U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy, said the idea interests his agency. Murray said the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is testing federal wastewater samples just to see if that's a good method for monitoring drug use. But he didn't know how many tests were conducted or where. The EPA will flush out the details on testing, Benjamin Grumbles joked. The EPA assistant administrator said the agency is already looking at the problem of potential harm to rivers and lakes from legal pharmaceuticals. The idea of testing on a citywide basis for drugs makes sense, as long as it doesn't violate people's privacy, said Tom Angell of the Students for Sensible Drug Policy, a Washington-based group that advocates legalizing most drugs. xponent The Inner Secrets Of Pee Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Working (was: ADMIN: Testing)
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list should be working... but is it? Does self employed count? It had better; ponies need new shoes, kitties need kibble, and the car needs a visit to the mechanic (front door won't open from the outside, but will from inside...gr). Huh, no List mail since my last post...*did I break the List?!?* On a better note, my car is now fixed (and my bank account is less...but not having to crawl in via the back is good!). Debbi Is Silence Really Golden? Maru Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2006 10:15:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list should be working... but is it? Does self employed count? Vilyehm If it's keeping you off the street and feeding you, then yes. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Working (was: ADMIN: Testing)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list should be working... but is it? Does self employed count? It had better; ponies need new shoes, kitties need kibble, and the car needs a visit to the mechanic (front door won't open from the outside, but will from inside...gr). Speaking of kitties, in one of those why didn't *I* think of that! moments while channel-surfing, a vet was on PBS talking about reducing boredom for house-bound pets. One of the measures he advised was buying food puzzles to slow bolting and promote thinking; being on a limited budget, I improvised: Take one smallish (12-15oz) water bottle [yes, Ronn, an _empty_ one! ;) ], cut ~8 small holes in it with an Exacto knife, pour in a bit of kibble, screw the top back on, and place on floor. Cat hilarity ensues! Debbi who isn't sure what she would use for a dog - maybe one of the large (1+gal) vegetable oil containers? Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ADMIN: Testing
The list should be working... but is it? -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick Arnett wrote: The list should be working... but is it? Well, I'll respond to your message and see if it comes back to me in a reasonable amount of time Julia too beat to do much else here right now ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: The list should be working... but is it? Well, I'll respond to your message and see if it comes back to me in a reasonable amount of time Julia too beat to do much else here right now Well, that was quick! Need to head to bed. Long day. Long day tomorrow. (At least this time I'm only going to one restaurant, and I know exactly where it is. It kinda sucks to find out the hard way that there is more than one of a particular restaurant when you show up at the wrong one I got there before the entrees were served to my group, though, and they got my order out with everyone else's! I was impressed.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Finally!!! We have had a weird, wierd network problem here. On 12/5/06, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: The list should be working... but is it? Well, I'll respond to your message and see if it comes back to me in a reasonable amount of time Julia too beat to do much else here right now ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Testing
On 06/12/2006, at 4:15 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: The list should be working... but is it? It's Schrodinger's List. Charlie. Testing Testing Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Testing
On 06/12/2006, at 4:21 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 06/12/2006, at 4:15 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: The list should be working... but is it? It's Schrodinger's List. Charlie. Testing Testing Maru Reply - response in about 20 seconds. That'll do. Charlie Satisfied Customer Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: On 06/12/2006, at 4:15 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: The list should be working... but is it? It's Schrodinger's List. Charlie. Testing Testing Maru http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/6f59/ (Wore it yesterday.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Testing
In a message dated 12/5/2006 10:15:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The list should be working... but is it? Does self employed count? Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing
On 10/16/06, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My digest-subscribed address has not received anything since July 29, if that data point helps anyone You, too?! Something odd is going on... I'll work on it as I have time, but that's always an issue. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My digest-subscribed address has not received anything since July 29, if that data point helps anyone For those interested in the digest, I've been reading the List via the Yahoo! Groups digest for some time now. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing
Hello Group -- Supposedly I'm subscribed, but I'm not getting any mail. Nick suggested I try posting to the list to see if I show up that way. Am I being heard??? Amities, all. I've missed you. Jo Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Anne Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:06 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing Hello Group -- Supposedly I'm subscribed, but I'm not getting any mail. Nick suggested I try posting to the list to see if I show up that way. Am I being heard??? No. You will have to type much more firmly to be heard. I did read you email, though. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing
Jo Anne wrote: Hello Group -- Supposedly I'm subscribed, but I'm not getting any mail. Nick suggested I try posting to the list to see if I show up that way. Am I being heard??? Amities, all. I've missed you. Jo Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're getting through to the list. My digest-subscribed address has not received anything since July 29, if that data point helps anyone Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Testing...
Hello, hello? Can anybody hear this? Nick On 7/20/06, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1,2,3 -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Testing...
On 22/07/2006, at 2:19 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Hello, hello? Can anybody hear this? Just nod if you can hear me is there anyone at home? Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Testing...
I'm not home... - Original Message From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:38:50 AM Subject: Re: Testing... On 22/07/2006, at 2:19 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Hello, hello? Can anybody hear this? Just nod if you can hear me is there anyone at home? Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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If Americans think you want to protect and enhance their retirement security, they'll back you, [Frank Luntz] wrote. If they think you want to reduce their benefits, for ANY reason, they'll oppose you. Now in a sane world the fact that Republicans DO want to reduce benefits would be enough to doom this enterprise right then and there. But instead we'll get months more worth of kabuki in which the GOP tries to explain why their benefit cuts aren't really benefit cuts. http://yglesias.typepad.com/matthew/2005/02/when_is_a_cut_n.html -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Liberal News Digest ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
TESTING: Brin: test
This is a test to see if we can, indeed, moderate all messages with Brin: in the subject, so that we can easily shut off the message flow to David. If it works, nobody will see this message. If it doesn't... sorry. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: TESTING: Brin test
Nick, don't panic. All's well if there are lingering messages. I ain't mad. Don't sweat it. Just thrive. --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a test to see if we can, indeed, moderate all messages with Brin: in the subject, so that we can easily shut off the message flow to David. If it works, nobody will see this message. If it doesn't... sorry. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Testing . . . testing . . .
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Re: Testing . . . testing . . .
On 13 Sep 2004, at 3:06 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: My Internet connection went down three weeks ago tomorrow. It looks like it's back this morning. Let's see if this goes through . . . There's service for you! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
USDA Blocks Companies From Testing ~All~ Their Cattle For Mad-Cow
Beef firm faces perplexing resistance to mad cow tests Fri Mar 26, 6:30 AM ET Creekstone Farms Premium Beef is a small producer of high-quality beef in Kansas. But it's making a big point about mad cow disease. It wants to privately test all of the cattle it slaughters for the illness, which can cause a fatal brain disease in humans who eat infected meat. The way Creekstone Farms sees it, 100% testing would reassure U.S customers. The company also says it is talking with Japan about restarting exports there, where total testing is required. But the firm has run into surprising obstacles: from the federal government, which has pledged to do everything possible to detect the disease, and from the meat industry, which has scrambled to keep consumer confidence since December. That's when the first U.S. case of mad cow was found in a Washington cow imported from Canada. Their reasoning is as confounding as government foot-dragging over approving private testing. And it ill-serves confused customers who are looking for stronger assurances that the meat they buy is safe. The U.S. Department of Agriculture ( - ) (USDA) currently does not allow such private testing for mad cow disease. And it claims that a new government testing system it approved this month is perfectly adequate. More than 10 times the number of cattle will be tested for mad cow under the new system, but the government still will be testing less than 1% of the 37 million cattle slaughtered in the U.S. each year. That falls far short of the 100% testing Creekstone Farms is proposing and Japan provides. Other beef producers complain that Creekstone Farms' 100% testing plans would set an expensive precedent. They worry that consumers might be misled into thinking an untested cut of beef isn't safe. But food producers ranging from organic growers to free-range farmers already market their products based on the idea that food produced in healthier ways or with added safeguards is worth paying for. Creekstone Farms' proposal taps into the same logic. Other beef producers and the USDA say going beyond the new system is unnecessary. But hundreds of seemingly healthy cattle in Europe have tested positive for mad cow disease. Rather than blocks on private efforts to strengthen beef testing, what's really needed are tougher test regimens for all U.S. cattle. U.S. consumer advocates say this requires testing all cattle over 20 months, since current tests can't detect the long-incubating disease in younger cattle. In contrast, the new U.S. system will test up to 268,000 cattle over a period of 18 months, including all that appear sick plus a random sample of about 20,000 others. Americans are willing to fund a higher level of reassurance. A January poll by the Consumers Union showed that 95% of adults would pay 10 cents more a pound for tested beef. Testing every slaughtered cow would cost about six cents per pound. Scientists are developing promising, inexpensive mad cow tests, including a simple blood test. Until they are perfected, letting Creekstone Farms carry out full testing under USDA oversight not only seems reasonable, it also could provide an important measure of the usefulness of 100% testing. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[ADMIN] Testing
Between the server and our Internet connection, my serenity has been endangered for about 34 hours now... This is a test message. -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Testing
At 05:36 PM 4/10/04, Nick Arnett wrote: Between the server and our Internet connection, my serenity has been endangered for about 34 hours now... This is a test message. It got through. I was beginning to wonder . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Testing
In a message dated 4/10/2004 4:19:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It got through. I was beginning to wonder . . . About one's server, or about one's serenity? Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Testing
At 06:21 PM 4/10/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/10/2004 4:19:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It got through. I was beginning to wonder . . . About one's server, or about one's serenity? About why I hadn't received any messages from the list since apparently some time on Friday. I was thinking about either sending a test message to the list or trying to reach Dan when I received his Testing message. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Testing
In a message dated 4/10/2004 7:17:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About why I hadn't received any messages from the list since apparently some time on Friday. I was thinking about either sending a test message to the list or trying to reach Dan when I received his Testing message. -- Ronn! :) I knew something was wrong when I didn't see the Return of the King post come up Friday night. I think there was a spillover effect. Went to an estatle sale today that listed a selection of books. Didn't buy a single one. They wanted $5 for anything pre 1970 because it may be worth up to $100 on the net. Yeah, right. Rose Annuals? Readers Digest? Came home, watched a Muppet movie while working on Tytlal story. Emailed Dr. Brin about using john Foster Dulles quotes in the story. Got back a reply about: Galileo's Doalogue between two world systems... advocate of Copernicus was Salviati. For Ptolemy was Simplicio. (Which will be included into the protag's thoughts.) He took enough time to reply, but not to check spelling. As usual. And I got Brin-L mail later on. So all's right with the world. (Or left if you're The Fool.) William Taylor - Still missing three minutes. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Testing
I'm seeing my messages an replys to them on mcmedia, but haven't recieved anything myself since 9:30 AM PST. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Fair testing?
This sounds like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and one of my CO collegues with 20 years in speech therapy/special education commented (when I asked if this was true): It is not only true, it is actually worse than this. Students who are in a persistant vegetative state have been required to take the test from time to time, students who do not yet speak English, students with severe emotional disorders, physical problems, etc. It is absolutely absurd. Debbi Wait, wait wait. How is a student in a persistent vegetative state? I not joking about this. If there are more than one percent of students who have zero improvement, then maybe the students need physical therapists, not teachers. Kevin T. - VRWC What a racket ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Fair testing?
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote]: This sounds like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and one of my CO collegues with 20 years in speech therapy/special education commented (when I asked if this was true): It is not only true, it is actually worse than this. Students who are in a persistant vegetative state have been required to take the test from time to time, students who do not yet speak English, students with severe emotional disorders, physical problems, etc. It is absolutely absurd. Wait, wait wait. How is a student in a persistent vegetative state? I not joking about this. If there are more than one percent of students who have zero improvement, then maybe the students need physical therapists, not teachers. shrug There's a lot of 'warehousing' that's occurred since 'mainstreaming' became all the rage, and special programs were dismantled. While there are benefits to both the mentally handicapped and the 'normal' child in many cases of mainstreaming, I have 2 friends in Special Education, and what isn't in their job description but what they do includes: tube feedings, diaper-changing, tracheostomy-tube suctioning, dressing changes...etc. Even though there are supposed to be paras to do that, there aren't enough to go 'round and do the labor-intensive work. One mostly works with children in the IQ range 65-80, and her goals are 'functioning in society' because these kids can't do algebra, however diligent an effort they make. The other is trying to get late-elememtary-to-early-middle-schoolers to name animals, learn their colors, and not spit at or bite other children. Both also work with emotionally disturbed SpecEd kids, and have been bitten, spat on, vomited on, hit with fists and various inanimate objects (enough to leave bruises occasionally)...and after ~20 years in their field, make less than $60K/yr. I certainly couldn't do what they do, not for twice the money. Unless I was on Valium. not joking Debbi No Saintly Patience Here Maru :-/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Fair testing?
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and one of my CO collegues with 20 years in speech therapy/special education commented (when I asked if this was true): It is not only true, it is actually worse than this. Students who are in a persistant vegetative state have been required to take the test from time to time, students who do not yet speak English, students with severe emotional disorders, physical problems, etc. It is absolutely absurd. I might have missed the post that started this, but will try and pitch in on some of this. I know of some individuals who are regularly assessed for their status/learning ability. Most of these people are institutionalized and often were assumed to lack intellectual ability since traditional test methods did not meet their needs (ie if someone had spastic hands and could not control a pencil they could not take conventional IQ tests and were labeled as severely retarded when in reality less standardized testing revealed functioning intellect). As new test methods are understood they are better utilized. I have seen some assistive technology used to help test students (under 21), but this was part of specialized IEP (individual education plan, IIRC). Early in the move for end of grade testing, many special needs students were exempted from testing by the schools (to raise apparent test scores) and improve financial rewards to the schools. This led the pendulum to swing the other way where all students must be tested so schools don't label kids to artificially cull results. This situation would be my guess why some bizarre test situations might exist. Some group has good intentions in leveling the playing field, but there are ludicrous applications. Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Fair testing?
Wait, wait wait. How is a student in a persistent vegetative state? I not joking about this. If there are more than one percent of students who have zero improvement, then maybe the students need physical therapists, not teachers. Kevin T. - VRWC Students usually/always (?it has been a while since I have worked in this type of setting) have goals and measurement when involved in special needs under 18 (or 21). The plans are revised every year, but progress must be made for the plan to be extended. In general if there is no progress the individual is in a maintenance program where physical therapists are not utilized in general (more technicians- such as habilitation techs, aides, etc). I can't imagine people in a true vegetative state even getting to conventional schools (school goals are only required to relate to school functions- a soapbox for another day), but I have heard others generalize terms that could refer to individuals with low level IQ and athetoid presentation (lack of motor control of the bodies- floppy type body presentation). Enough for now, Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Fair testing?
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SPECIAL_ED_TESTING?SITE=FLTAMSECTION=USTEMPLATE=DEFAULT ...When it comes time to take the standardized tests that the federal government uses to measure public schools, many of Harper's students at White Mountain Middle School merely pick answers at random, not realizing the potentially severe consequences for their school. Across the country this year, thousands of schools were deemed failing because of the test performance of special ed students. The results have provoked feelings of fury, helplessness and amusement in teachers like Harper, who say that because of some of their students' disabilities, there is no realistic way to ever meet the expectations of a new federal law backed by the Bush administration that requires that 99 percent of all children be performing at or above grade level by 2014. If schools fail to meet those targets, they risk being taken over by the state or private companies; teachers can lose their jobs ...The government is defending the special education portion of the law, though officials said some changes are in the works that would give more leeway to the most seriously disabled children and their teachers. However, the Education Department does not want to let all special education students and their teachers off the hook, said Ronald Tomalis, acting assistant secretary for elementary and secondary education. There have been low expectations for some of these children all along, he said. And that's not because of mental abilities, but because of poor instruction received in the early grades. We need to challenge schools that these children can achieve. Sure, they will need an intensive program, but they can be brought up to grade level. For more seriously disabled children, he said, a proposed change to the law would let 1 percent of all children in a district skip the grade-level exams and instead take a test tailored to their abilities. If they scored well on that alternative, it could be counted in their school's favor... This sounds like one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and one of my CO collegues with 20 years in speech therapy/special education commented (when I asked if this was true): It is not only true, it is actually worse than this. Students who are in a persistant vegetative state have been required to take the test from time to time, students who do not yet speak English, students with severe emotional disorders, physical problems, etc. It is absolutely absurd. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: More blasted testing
In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:38:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've upgraded Mailman from 2.1 to 2.1.2 and hope that now it'll behave. But there's also a patch I think I need to apply... Let's just see if this message gets out. Got it -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Testing...
At 08:21 PM 8/25/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: I've sent email to the list on Sunday (about not getting any email) but haven't seen anything in my inbox from the list since Saturday. I can see that a few messages have been added to the archive since then, but I haven't seen any of them in email. In fact the last list mail I received was the d.brin worldcon message at Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:02:08 pm Europe/London. Ditto. Until tonight, that is. So Dr. Brin's message broke his eponymous list? ;-) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: testing
At 10:09 PM 8/26/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. I made use of the downtime by (1) working on some still-unfinished graphics which should have been finished already and (2) school started yesterday, and I taught four classes on three campuses in just over 24 hours, on top of which it was so hot and humid I maybe got one hour of sleep last night . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: testing
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:09 PM 8/26/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. I made use of the downtime by (1) working on some still-unfinished graphics which should have been finished already and (2) school started yesterday, and I taught four classes on three campuses in just over 24 hours, on top of which it was so hot and humid I maybe got one hour of sleep last night . . . Jeeze, Ronn, you live down there and don't have AC? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: testing
At 09:09 PM 8/26/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:09 PM 8/26/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. I made use of the downtime by (1) working on some still-unfinished graphics which should have been finished already and (2) school started yesterday, and I taught four classes on three campuses in just over 24 hours, on top of which it was so hot and humid I maybe got one hour of sleep last night . . . Jeeze, Ronn, you live down there and don't have AC? Not at the moment, anyway. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Testing
Still nothing... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Testing...
Is it possible that the list is just quiet??? Looking at the posting logs, I don't see that any messages were posted (received by the mail server) other than the ones that appeared. However, I'm also still seeing network problems, so it's possible that mail to the list is queued up at our backup MX host and will suddenly get dumped here. I'll go see if I can make that happen. Anybody who posted on Saturday and Sunday who *hasn't* seen their message appear, please e-mail me off-list to let me know, so that I have some idea of whether there's a significant problem or just a serious delay. Thanks! Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:34 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Testing... I'm sending another message just so that I can watch the mail log right afterwards... please ignore. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Testing...
I'm sending another message just so that I can watch the mail log right afterwards... please ignore. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Testing from Yahoo
Testing to the list from Yahoo... -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Testing...
I've sent email to the list on Sunday (about not getting any email) but haven't seen anything in my inbox from the list since Saturday. I can see that a few messages have been added to the archive since then, but I haven't seen any of them in email. In fact the last list mail I received was the d.brin worldcon message at Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:02:08 pm Europe/London. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
testing
William wrote: I've sent email to the list on Sunday (about not getting any email) but haven't seen anything in my inbox from the list since Saturday. I can see that a few messages have been added to the archive since then, but I haven't seen any of them in email. In fact the last list mail I received was the d.brin worldcon message at Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:02:08 pm Europe/London. This is the last one I received too. Do you think DB broke the list? At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. Read Bova's The Precipice today. A light, easy read. Don't suppose I'll receive a copy of this post either. :-( Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
testing
No e-mails since 22-Aug. :-( Ilana ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ADMIN: More blasted testing
I've upgraded Mailman from 2.1 to 2.1.2 and hope that now it'll behave. But there's also a patch I think I need to apply... Let's just see if this message gets out. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
testing
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