RE: Thoughts on 'marriage' also Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-20 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In our country all people that are not related in bloodline (siblings, 
parent/child, etc.) and who permanently live together (at least six months 
officially registered or through a contract at a notary) in twosomes can 
get themselves officially registered as a partnership. As such the state 
awards them the same rights as a married couple. Only difference is in 
succession. A partner has to pay more in succesion tax, but only if they 
haven't got a contract/will at the notary so merely are registered. Anybody 
who wants to get a public marriage certificate can do so without much 
hassle. We do however in language make a very rigid distinction between 
public marriage (i.e. voor de wet getrouwd/boterbriefje) and religious 
marriage (i.e. kerkelijk huwelijk).
That would seem comparable here to if all governmental marriages were called 
civil unions, while the word marriage was reserved to religious marriages.  
Having one term for both is a big sticking point here for some, but even if 
separate, many would still oppose gay civil unions anyway, so the word is 
not the only problem, just the most superficial one.

Another argument I've seen is that allowing gay marriages would open the 
door for demands for three-way (or more) group marriages, incestual 
marriages, and bestiality marriages.  Is there much call for that stuff in 
your country?  (I'm guessing not)

Do many churches there allow gay religious marriages?  Do the ones that 
don't allow it actively oppose allowing gay public marriages?

-bryon

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Thoughts on 'marriage' also Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Jim Sharkey wrote:

Tom Beck wrote:
 

It's the word marriage that appears to have some mystical, 
totemic meaning for some lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded 
credulous dolts (i.e., most of the American public).
   

snipped some
But the idea of calling it marriage does make me uncomfortable on some vague level I 
can't really explain.  Product of my environment, I suppose.  If it makes me a dolt that 36 
years of being told that marriage is between a man and a woman isn't easy to just shrug off, so 
be it.
Jim
Gay divorce is sure to follow Maru
 

In our country all people that are not related in bloodline (siblings, 
parent/child, etc.) and who permanently live together (at least six 
months officially registered or through a contract at a notary) in 
twosomes can get themselves officially registered as a partnership. As 
such the state awards them the same rights as a married couple. Only 
difference is in succession. A partner has to pay more in succesion tax, 
but only if they haven't got a contract/will at the notary so merely are 
registered. Anybody who wants to get a public marriage certificate can 
do so without much hassle. We do however in language make a very rigid 
distinction between public marriage (i.e. voor de wet 
getrouwd/boterbriefje) and religious marriage (i.e. kerkelijk huwelijk).

Oh and btw I just checked, Belgium also allows same sex marriages. So do 
apperently two provinces in Canada.

Sonja :o)
GCU: The same thing different
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