Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
"refuses" is a pretty strong depiction. I wanted to try to solve the problem 
first if I could without doing logs but I have done logs in the past, as Dave 
can testify, and I am not at all adverse to doing them. I am rather busy right 
now and am preparing for a  three-week visit from a friend. One can argue that 
it might have been solved more quickly with a log and this may or may not be 
true but the correct depiction of this in my opinion is that I at this time 
"declined" to do logs rather than that I "refused". Language matters! I may at 
some point submit a log to see if there is a better solution but I am not going 
to do so right this minute!


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Cheryl

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be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Mar 30, 2017, at 4:01 AM, Mario Lang  wrote:

Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH
 writes:

> this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
> myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
> the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
> appear as serial rather than USB?

From the point of view of BRLTTY, an operating system provided serial
port is a nice fallback, but not the default.  BRLTTY actually natively
talks to the various USB chips without needing the OS to provide a
serial port.  However, that said, I am suspecting there might be
problems with this on Mac.  Anyway, as long as Cheryl refuses to look at
the logs, there is no way to know exactly.

> At least on Windows when I connect this kind of device I get a COM
> port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as USB at all.

Yes, this is how it also was on Linux many years ago.  However, we
didn't want to rely on the kernel supporting a particular chip.

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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
Yes, I think you are right about your hypothesis. It's just that my experience 
with serial in the past involved either a serial cable or a converter so I 
wasn't expecting this. But it does make sense.

On Mar 30, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH 
 wrote:

Hello,
this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
appear as serial rather than USB? At least on Windows when I connect this
kind of device I get a COM port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as
USB at all.
Sorry in case this turns out to be utterly irrelevant to the problem at
hand.
Kind regards,
Felix

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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: BRLTTY [mailto:brltty-boun...@brltty.com] Im Auftrag von Cheryl Homiak
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. März 2017 02:15
An: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Betreff: Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

Okay, I got it to work but it's still a bit strange. This is a usb cable
interface but it does not work with usb: and I haven't found a serial number
to try that. What does work is

brltty -b ht -d cu.usbserial-142

which I tried because I found it listed when I tried ls /dev/cu.*

That worked from the command line so I tried putting serial: in front of it
in the brltty.conf even though I know voiceover doesn't support serial
braille displays and that also worked. I do find that if I start brltty and
at some point start voiceover up again the display is immediately pulled
into voiceover for braille instead of brltty whereas with the Braille Edge I
can switch voiceover back on once brltty is running without voiceover
grabbing the braille display. But the main thing is that I do have it
working.
. 
--
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)


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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Mario Lang 
Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH
 writes:

> this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
> myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
> the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
> appear as serial rather than USB?

From the point of view of BRLTTY, an operating system provided serial
port is a nice fallback, but not the default.  BRLTTY actually natively
talks to the various USB chips without needing the OS to provide a
serial port.  However, that said, I am suspecting there might be
problems with this on Mac.  Anyway, as long as Cheryl refuses to look at
the logs, there is no way to know exactly.

> At least on Windows when I connect this kind of device I get a COM
> port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as USB at all.

Yes, this is how it also was on Linux many years ago.  However, we
didn't want to rely on the kernel supporting a particular chip.

-- 
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