subject:"\[BRLTTY\] braille star 40"

[BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-29 Thread Cheryl Homiak

I have an old Braille Star 40 here. It works fine with voiceover on my Mac but 
I can't bring it up with brltty. I am wondering if a usb driver might be needed 
such as prolific for using it in terminal but that isn't needed for voiceover 
so I am not sure. Has anybody else been using this display that can tell me 
whether a driver was needed for the usb cable that came with the display when 
using brltty? I will send a log if I remain stumped about this but just thought 
I would see if anybody had experience and might be able to point something out 
to me.

Thanks for any help.

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Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-29 Thread Mario Lang

Cheryl Homiak  writes:

> I have an old Braille Star 40 here. It works fine with voiceover on my
> Mac
> but I can't bring it up with brltty.

On the Mac, or on Linux?

> I am wondering if a usb driver might be needed such as prolific for
> using it in terminal but that isn't needed for voiceover so I am not
> sure. Has anybody else been using this display that can tell me
> whether a driver was needed for the usb cable that came with the
> display when using brltty?

Support for the Braille Star 40 USB chip (GoHub or FTDI, depending on
your model) was added to BRLTTY a very long time ago back in 2002.  It
is one of the first displays that was natively supported by the
user-space USB implementation of BRLTTY.  That is a long winded way of
saying: Yes, the Braille Star 40 should actually be supported out of the
box without any problems.  I have used it personally roughly 14 years
long, and mine is still perfectly functioning, but sitting in a drawer
and waiting to take over in case of an emergency.  I can only report
about it working on Linux though, have never tried to run BRLTTY on the
Mac.

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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-29 Thread Cheryl Homiak


-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




I don't think I was very clear in my original email. I am not trying to use the 
serial port - I recently got rid of most of my serial cables and usbserial 
converters - though there is a serial port on the Braille Star 40. I am trying 
to use the usb port.
On Mar 29, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

I have an old Braille Star 40 here. It works fine with voiceover on my Mac but 
I can't bring it up with brltty. I am wondering if a usb driver might be needed 
such as prolific for using it in terminal but that isn't needed for voiceover 
so I am not sure. Has anybody else been using this display that can tell me 
whether a driver was needed for the usb cable that came with the display when 
using brltty? I will send a log if I remain stumped about this but just thought 
I would see if anybody had experience and might be able to point something out 
to me.

Thanks for any help.

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-29 Thread Cheryl Homiak

Okay, I got it to work but it's still a bit strange. This is a usb cable 
interface but it does not work with usb: and I haven't found a serial number to 
try that. What does work is

brltty -b ht -d cu.usbserial-142

which I tried because I found it listed when I tried ls /dev/cu.*

That worked from the command line so I tried putting serial: in front of it in 
the brltty.conf even though I know voiceover doesn't support serial braille 
displays and that also worked. I do find that if I start brltty and at some 
point start voiceover up again the display is immediately pulled into voiceover 
for braille instead of brltty whereas with the Braille Edge I can switch 
voiceover back on once brltty is running without voiceover grabbing the braille 
display. But the main thing is that I do have it working.
. 
-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)


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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH

Hello,
this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
appear as serial rather than USB? At least on Windows when I connect this
kind of device I get a COM port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as
USB at all.
Sorry in case this turns out to be utterly irrelevant to the problem at
hand.
Kind regards,
Felix

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Best regards

Felix Grützmacher
Softwareentwickler

Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH
Brunnenstraße 10
72160 Horb
Germany

Tel: +49 (0)7451 5546-37
Fax: +49 (0)7451 5546-67
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: BRLTTY [mailto:brltty-boun...@brltty.com] Im Auftrag von Cheryl Homiak
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. März 2017 02:15
An: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Betreff: Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

Okay, I got it to work but it's still a bit strange. This is a usb cable
interface but it does not work with usb: and I haven't found a serial number
to try that. What does work is

brltty -b ht -d cu.usbserial-142

which I tried because I found it listed when I tried ls /dev/cu.*

That worked from the command line so I tried putting serial: in front of it
in the brltty.conf even though I know voiceover doesn't support serial
braille displays and that also worked. I do find that if I start brltty and
at some point start voiceover up again the display is immediately pulled
into voiceover for braille instead of brltty whereas with the Braille Edge I
can switch voiceover back on once brltty is running without voiceover
grabbing the braille display. But the main thing is that I do have it
working.
. 
--
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)


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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Mario Lang

Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH
 writes:

> this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
> myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
> the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
> appear as serial rather than USB?

From the point of view of BRLTTY, an operating system provided serial
port is a nice fallback, but not the default.  BRLTTY actually natively
talks to the various USB chips without needing the OS to provide a
serial port.  However, that said, I am suspecting there might be
problems with this on Mac.  Anyway, as long as Cheryl refuses to look at
the logs, there is no way to know exactly.

> At least on Windows when I connect this kind of device I get a COM
> port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as USB at all.

Yes, this is how it also was on Linux many years ago.  However, we
didn't want to rely on the kernel supporting a particular chip.

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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak

Yes, I think you are right about your hypothesis. It's just that my experience 
with serial in the past involved either a serial cable or a converter so I 
wasn't expecting this. But it does make sense.

On Mar 30, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH 
 wrote:

Hello,
this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
appear as serial rather than USB? At least on Windows when I connect this
kind of device I get a COM port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as
USB at all.
Sorry in case this turns out to be utterly irrelevant to the problem at
hand.
Kind regards,
Felix

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Best regards

Felix Grützmacher
Softwareentwickler

Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH
Brunnenstraße 10
72160 Horb
Germany

Tel: +49 (0)7451 5546-37
Fax: +49 (0)7451 5546-67
E-Mail: felix.gruetzmac...@handytech.de  
Internet: www.handytech.de

Sitz der Gesellschaft: Horb-Nordstetten - Handelsregister Stuttgart HRB
440471 - Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Siegfried Kipke - USt-IdNr.: DE 213 128
795
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Von: BRLTTY [mailto:brltty-boun...@brltty.com] Im Auftrag von Cheryl Homiak
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. März 2017 02:15
An: Informal discussion between users and developers of BRLTTY.
Betreff: Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

Okay, I got it to work but it's still a bit strange. This is a usb cable
interface but it does not work with usb: and I haven't found a serial number
to try that. What does work is

brltty -b ht -d cu.usbserial-142

which I tried because I found it listed when I tried ls /dev/cu.*

That worked from the command line so I tried putting serial: in front of it
in the brltty.conf even though I know voiceover doesn't support serial
braille displays and that also worked. I do find that if I start brltty and
at some point start voiceover up again the display is immediately pulled
into voiceover for braille instead of brltty whereas with the Braille Edge I
can switch voiceover back on once brltty is running without voiceover
grabbing the braille display. But the main thing is that I do have it
working.
. 
--
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)


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Re: [BRLTTY] braille star 40

2017-03-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak

"refuses" is a pretty strong depiction. I wanted to try to solve the problem 
first if I could without doing logs but I have done logs in the past, as Dave 
can testify, and I am not at all adverse to doing them. I am rather busy right 
now and am preparing for a  three-week visit from a friend. One can argue that 
it might have been solved more quickly with a log and this may or may not be 
true but the correct depiction of this in my opinion is that I at this time 
"declined" to do logs rather than that I "refused". Language matters! I may at 
some point submit a log to see if there is a better solution but I am not going 
to do so right this minute!

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)

On Mar 30, 2017, at 4:01 AM, Mario Lang  wrote:

Felix Grützmacher - Handy Tech Elektronik GmbH
 writes:

> this might just be me stating the really obvious and making a fool of
> myself, but since the FTDI chip emulates a serial connection through USB and
> the FTDI driver takes care of that, wouldn't it make sense for the device to
> appear as serial rather than USB?

From the point of view of BRLTTY, an operating system provided serial
port is a nice fallback, but not the default.  BRLTTY actually natively
talks to the various USB chips without needing the OS to provide a
serial port.  However, that said, I am suspecting there might be
problems with this on Mac.  Anyway, as long as Cheryl refuses to look at
the logs, there is no way to know exactly.

> At least on Windows when I connect this kind of device I get a COM
> port, and my Braille driver doesn't see this as USB at all.

Yes, this is how it also was on Linux many years ago.  However, we
didn't want to rely on the kernel supporting a particular chip.

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[BRLTTY] Braille star 40: apology/explanation

2017-03-31 Thread Cheryl Homiak

I don't want to clutter the list with this but yesterday I emailed the list and 
objected to having it said that I refused to do logs (may not be exact quote of 
sentence). I put this onlist publicly because the word had been used publicly 
onlist. However, I want to state that I greatly appreciate Mario's efforts to 
help with m Braille Star 40 issue and had only a defensive intent (which also 
may not have been the best response) and not a malicious intent in what I said 
and I don't think the statement to which I objected was meant to be offensive. 
I would have done better to either pass over it without comment or email Mario 
privately so I want to apologize to Mario before the whole list for not having 
either passed over the word that bothered me without taking offense  or 
addressed Mario privately. I usually think twice about how I respond to things 
I disagree with and will try to do so in the future. I don't intend to say any 
more about this offlist but felt that since I did this pub
 licly onlist I should correct it onlist also.

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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




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Re: [BRLTTY] Braille star 40: apology/explanation

2017-03-31 Thread Cheryl Homiak

Sorry! I meant I don't mean to say any more about this onlist! Spell checking 
is not a substitute for proofreading!

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




On Mar 31, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

I don't want to clutter the list with this but yesterday I emailed the list and 
objected to having it said that I refused to do logs (may not be exact quote of 
sentence). I put this onlist publicly because the word had been used publicly 
onlist. However, I want to state that I greatly appreciate Mario's efforts to 
help with m Braille Star 40 issue and had only a defensive intent (which also 
may not have been the best response) and not a malicious intent in what I said 
and I don't think the statement to which I objected was meant to be offensive. 
I would have done better to either pass over it without comment or email Mario 
privately so I want to apologize to Mario before the whole list for not having 
either passed over the word that bothered me without taking offense  or 
addressed Mario privately. I usually think twice about how I respond to things 
I disagree with and will try to do so in the future. I don't intend to say any 
more about this offlist but felt that since I did this pub
licly onlist I should correct it onlist also.

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




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Re: [BRLTTY] Braille star 40: apology/explanation

2017-03-31 Thread Dave Mielke

[quoted lines by Cheryl Homiak on 2017/03/31 at 08:47 -0500]

Well ... I'll add a bit. Both of you have been extremely helpful people for a 
very long time. While I did note his use of the verb "refuse", I really don't 
think it was meant in a mean way - it may simply have been a poorly chosen 
English word. Brltty has benefitted all along from support and contributions 
from those whose native language isn't English so lots of slack needs to be 
given.

In this particular case, I'm going to guess what he meant. I know that I myself 
have repeatedly expressed a desire to be accurate rather than to guess. It's 
impossible, after all, for any of us to give anything resembling a meaningful 
answer to "what might be wrong" without actual data. It's always best to 
capture a log (or, of course, to ask how best to capture the llog) right away.

Here's our dilemma: People tend to trust our answers. This implicit trust comes 
with a great responsibility 0- to try to never say anything that might be 
wrong. Being asked to guess, therefore, puts us in a position that none of us 
want to be in.

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Re: [BRLTTY] Braille star 40: apology/explanation

2017-03-31 Thread Cheryl Homiak

Thanks Dave. Your explanation is very clear and I agree with it. I also did not 
realize that Mario was not a native English speaker but this possibility should 
always be taken into consideration when working on a list like this. It isn't 
that I took it for granted that only English-speaking people would be on the 
list; I do know of some here who are not natively English-speaking but for some 
reason I never made that connection with Mario. A good lesson for me of things 
to think about when I start to react to somebody's wording.


On Mar 31, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Dave Mielke  wrote:

[quoted lines by Cheryl Homiak on 2017/03/31 at 08:47 -0500]

Well ... I'll add a bit. Both of you have been extremely helpful people for a 
very long time. While I did note his use of the verb "refuse", I really don't 
think it was meant in a mean way - it may simply have been a poorly chosen 
English word. Brltty has benefitted all along from support and contributions 
from those whose native language isn't English so lots of slack needs to be 
given.

In this particular case, I'm going to guess what he meant. I know that I myself 
have repeatedly expressed a desire to be accurate rather than to guess. It's 
impossible, after all, for any of us to give anything resembling a meaningful 
answer to "what might be wrong" without actual data. It's always best to 
capture a log (or, of course, to ask how best to capture the llog) right away.

Here's our dilemma: People tend to trust our answers. This implicit trust comes 
with a great responsibility 0- to try to never say anything that might be 
wrong. Being asked to guess, therefore, puts us in a position that none of us 
want to be in.

-- 
Dave Mielke   | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God.
Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario   | http://Mielke.cc/bible/
EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Canada  K2A 1H7   | http://FamilyRadio.org/
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