Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
> Yes, I am, but I was too lazy last night and only looking for your name > combined with some changed files within the last 7 days at savannah ;-). Searching for myname will lead nowhere, I've never commited a single line. But things may change: I've recently moved to a new flat where I have an ADSL connection (finally!) ... bad luck, my laptop died few days before the line was up. Just bought a new desktop PC, waiting for the LCD to arrive ... I hope to be more active in the future (will need to remove some rust from my C before). MaX. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
* Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070726 10:39]: > > I think you're aware of this (I'll post it anyway, for the others): > > > http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnubg/gnubg/?sortby=date&pathrev=MAIN > > CVS interface: can sort by file name or by last commit date. > If the log entry of the commit is explicit enough, you can find what you > look for. > Many useful functions, like the "annotate" one ... Yes, I am, but I was too lazy last night and only looking for your name combined with some changed files within the last 7 days at savannah ;-). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
> > > Where did you hide that code? I coudn't find anything in cvs, but maybe > > > I'm blind today. > > > > Actually it wasn't me, I think Christian did it. > > Just use "Hint" ad you'll see the buttons. > > Actually I wasn't searching for the buttons, I was searching for your > commited source code ;-). But now I found it ;-). I think you're aware of this (I'll post it anyway, for the others): http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnubg/gnubg/?sortby=date&pathrev=MAIN CVS interface: can sort by file name or by last commit date. If the log entry of the commit is explicit enough, you can find what you look for. Many useful functions, like the "annotate" one ... MaX. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
* Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070726 09:54]: > Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25/07/2007 22:17:38: > > > * Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070724 16:30]: > > > hi, > > > > > > in the latest code there're the new "A", "B", ... "E" buttons allowing > to > > > quick-load > > > rollout settings (stored in files a.rol, b.rol, etc). > > > > Where did you hide that code? I coudn't find anything in cvs, but maybe > > I'm blind today. > > Actually it wasn't me, I think Christian did it. > Just use "Hint" ad you'll see the buttons. Actually I wasn't searching for the buttons, I was searching for your commited source code ;-). But now I found it ;-). Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
Achim Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25/07/2007 22:17:38: > * Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070724 16:30]: > > hi, > > > > in the latest code there're the new "A", "B", ... "E" buttons allowing to > > quick-load > > rollout settings (stored in files a.rol, b.rol, etc). > > Where did you hide that code? I coudn't find anything in cvs, but maybe > I'm blind today. Actually it wasn't me, I think Christian did it. Just use "Hint" ad you'll see the buttons. MaX. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
* Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070724 16:30]: > hi, > > in the latest code there're the new "A", "B", ... "E" buttons allowing to > quick-load > rollout settings (stored in files a.rol, b.rol, etc). Where did you hide that code? I coudn't find anything in cvs, but maybe I'm blind today. Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
* Massimiliano Maini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070724 16:30]: I saved quick: set rollout truncation plies 12 set rollout trials 324 set rollout jsd minimumgames 216 set rollout jsd limit 1.9600 set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 0 set rollout player 0 cubedecision plies 0 quick-cube-2ply: set rollout truncation plies 12 set rollout trials 648 set rollout jsd minimumgames 216 set rollout jsd limit 1.9600 set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 0 set rollout player 1 cubedecision plies 2 quick-2ply: set rollout truncation plies 12 set rollout trials 324 set rollout jsd minimumgames 108 set rollout jsd limit 1.9600 set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 2 set rollout player 0 cubedecision plies 2 cube-2ply: same as quick-cube-2ply but without jsd and truncation full-2ply: set rollout truncation enable off set rollout trials 324 (or more) set rollout jsd move off set rollout player 0 chequerplay plies 2 set rollout player 0 cubedecision plies 2 Pruning for all 2ply (default) Ciao Achim ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
On 24.07.2007 17:26 Massimiliano Maini wrote: Hmm ... gammonu.com is not a free site, you have to subscribe. And I do think that this kind of discussion should take place on this mailing list. Okay, here are my standard settings: A: Quick and dirty cubeless: 324 rollouts, Checkerplay: expert B: Quick and dirty, cubefull: 324 rollouts, Cube: World Class C: Normal: 648 rollouts, Cube World Class, Checker: first 3 moves World Class, follow-on moves: Expert D: Precise: 1296 rollouts, Cube World Class, Checker: first 7 moves World Class, follow-on moves: Expert For all I use: no truncation, variance reduction, quasi-radom dice. Any other ideas? Hardy ;-) -- Hardy's Backgammon Pages --> www.hardys-backgammon-pages.com ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
RE: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
This sounds great! What would also be fabulous would be a way of (temporarily) changing the match score and running the rollouts. I feel that this is the most important feature that is in Snowie but not gnubg. Thanks, David _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Massimiliano Maini Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:17 AM To: bug-gnubg@gnu.org Subject: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets hi, in the latest code there're the new "A", "B", ... "E" buttons allowing to quick-load rollout settings (stored in files a.rol, b.rol, etc). Would it make sense to provide some standard settings ? Something like: A --> quick 0-ply rollout B --> 2-ply truncated C --> 2-ply full Most of the players I've been speaking with (including strong ones) are way too scared by the complexity of the rollout settings. If I'm not wrong, Snowie has something similar (quick rollout + precise rollout) ... MaX. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
> That's great news How many buttons are there? Five? 5 > I propose to discuss standard settings at www.gammonu.com, where the > best players meet, including Neil Kazaross. Hmm ... gammonu.com is not a free site, you have to subscribe. And I do think that this kind of discussion should take place on this mailing list. Of course, comments from any player with a reasonable experience in the game *and* in using gnubg are more than welcome (assuming the preset thing is doable). MaX. ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
Re: [Bug-gnubg] Rollout presets
That's great news How many buttons are there? Five? I propose to discuss standard settings at www.gammonu.com, where the best players meet, including Neil Kazaross. I presently use 4 different sets of settings for rollouts. Hardy ;-) On 24.07.2007 16:16 Massimiliano Maini wrote: hi, in the latest code there're the new "A", "B", ... "E" buttons allowing to quick-load rollout settings (stored in files a.rol, b.rol, etc). Would it make sense to provide some standard settings ? Something like: A --> quick 0-ply rollout B --> 2-ply truncated C --> 2-ply full Most of the players I've been speaking with (including strong ones) are way too scared by the complexity of the rollout settings. If I'm not wrong, Snowie has something similar (quick rollout + precise rollout) ... MaX. -- Hardy's Backgammon Pages --> www.hardys-backgammon-pages.com ___ Bug-gnubg mailing list Bug-gnubg@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
