Re: Full unicode support for back-xlib (2)

2003-07-20 Thread Adam Fedor


Fred Kiefer wrote:
Hi Kazu,

we now have reached a disagreement and need some more views on the 
remaining problems. Perhaps Nicola, Adam, Wim or Alex could join in and 
state their views on the use font sets.
I am away for a few days anyway.

Is this just about strtok or something else? It might be easier, to just 
write a quick parsing function in C that shows more transparently what 
is hapenning...

I can't say I know a lot about the font issue, being a uni-lingual 
American (well I sort-of know some other languages, but living 1000 
miles (er.. 1600km) from the nearest ocean makes it hard to find someone 
to practice with...  I'd have to assume it works well for the people who 
use it.

Note to Kazu: If you have CVS, it would be nice to have all the patches 
rolled into one instead of having a patch for each file.



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Re: Full unicode support for back-xlib (2)

2003-07-19 Thread Fred Kiefer
Hi Kazu,

we now have reached a disagreement and need some more views on the 
remaining problems. Perhaps Nicola, Adam, Wim or Alex could join in and 
state their views on the use font sets.
I am away for a few days anyway.

Cheers
Fred
Kazunobu Kuriyama wrote:
Fred Kiefer wrote:
snip
It is even worse, the man page says:
BUGS
   Never use these functions. If you do, note that:
  These functions modify their first argument.
  These functions cannot be used on constant strings.
  The identity of the delimiting character is lost.
  The  strtok()  function  uses a static buffer while
  parsing, so it's not thread safe. Use strtok_r() if
  this matters to you.
I don't think that this could cause any harm in your case, still I 
would avoid it. 


Taking all the points above into consideration, I did it.  Hopefully, 
harmless.

Though the current code might look a bad programming style, I think
it is the right place to compromise.
I was also worried about the special treatment you do for missing add 
styles, as I can tell from the fonts installed on my machine almost 
any part of a XLFD may be missing, this should not cause any special 
treatment.


I simply need to distinguish the token '--' from the token '-'.  It 
could be written in a more generalized way,
but it would results in over-engineering. 
You can't use the return value of XGFontName() directly to load multiple 
fonts with XCreateFontSet() because
XGFontName() is biased in favor of European fonts (see below).  The code 
which looks special to you absorbs
this GNUstep's specialization.

As for the latter question: People can't expect every font on the earth
has the family property called 'Helvetica', 'Courier' or something
else which is taken for granted in Latin characters, while they can find
fonts with the foundry property such as 'Adobe' and 'fixed'..  The
current implementation reflects this reality.
(Because I thought this was a common knowledge, I didn't document
 it in detail.  This gives another example that people always think
 their own ways as 'the' standard, doesn't this?)
Are you saying that for Asian fonts there is no such thing as a font 
family? Or do they just have different names not Helvetica, which is 
what I would expect. 
I didn't say Asian fonts have no font family.  When I checked the state 
of the internal variables of GNUstep
related to fonts, I found that it exclusively uses Helvetica, Courier or 
something like that.  You'll never
find Japanese Helvetica, Chinese Courier, Korean Times, Thai Utopia, ... 
(If I remember correctly,
Alexander Malmberg once told us in discuss-gnustep that he considered to 
make the family specification
user-configurable.)
We seem to have a real problem here. On my machine I have about 10 
different fonts from Adobe installed (of course each with dozens of 
styles and sizes). They have a totally different appearance and I 
never would want to mix them when displaying a string. Whereas I would 
not mind to mix Helvetica coming from different sources.
Your current implementation of building up font sets would be rather 
unusable for any European language user (probably even for US 
Americans, but you never can tell), as this would merge fonts that 
don't belong together. 


Don't worry.  The X server tries loading two or more fonts only if it 
needs to do so.  This is done based on
the locale in use.


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Re: Full unicode support for back-xlib (2)

2003-07-18 Thread Kazunobu Kuriyama
Fred Kiefer wrote:

Fred Kiefer wrote:
  snip
  - As XGFontSetEnumerator is currently not implemented I would remove
  all reverences to it.
(Reading references for reverences,)
At first, I declared XGFontSetEnumerator without implementation, and
then I got an exception telling me that enumerateFontsAndFamilies should
be overridden.  So I put the stub of it to make the module work.
This is the only reason I did it.  If the declaration is unnecessary and
is the cause of throwing the exception, your suggestion is helpful to 
make
the implementation better.


I meant to remove the whole class until there is real code for it.
Enclosed with #if 0 and #endif.

snip
It is even worse, the man page says:
BUGS
   Never use these functions. If you do, note that:
  These functions modify their first argument.
  These functions cannot be used on constant strings.
  The identity of the delimiting character is lost.
  The  strtok()  function  uses a static buffer while
  parsing, so it's not thread safe. Use strtok_r() if
  this matters to you.
I don't think that this could cause any harm in your case, still I 
would avoid it. 
Taking all the points above into consideration, I did it.  Hopefully, 
harmless.

Though the current code might look a bad programming style, I think
it is the right place to compromise.
I was also worried about the special treatment you do for missing add 
styles, as I can tell from the fonts installed on my machine almost 
any part of a XLFD may be missing, this should not cause any special 
treatment.
I simply need to distinguish the token '--' from the token '-'.  It 
could be written in a more generalized way,
but it would results in over-engineering.  

You can't use the return value of XGFontName() directly to load multiple 
fonts with XCreateFontSet() because
XGFontName() is biased in favor of European fonts (see below).  The code 
which looks special to you absorbs
this GNUstep's specialization.

As for the latter question: People can't expect every font on the earth
has the family property called 'Helvetica', 'Courier' or something
else which is taken for granted in Latin characters, while they can find
fonts with the foundry property such as 'Adobe' and 'fixed'..  The
current implementation reflects this reality.
(Because I thought this was a common knowledge, I didn't document
 it in detail.  This gives another example that people always think
 their own ways as 'the' standard, doesn't this?)


Are you saying that for Asian fonts there is no such thing as a font 
family? Or do they just have different names not Helvetica, which is 
what I would expect. 
I didn't say Asian fonts have no font family.  When I checked the state 
of the internal variables of GNUstep
related to fonts, I found that it exclusively uses Helvetica, Courier or 
something like that.  You'll never
find Japanese Helvetica, Chinese Courier, Korean Times, Thai Utopia, ... 
(If I remember correctly,
Alexander Malmberg once told us in discuss-gnustep that he considered to 
make the family specification
user-configurable.)

We seem to have a real problem here. On my machine I have about 10 
different fonts from Adobe installed (of course each with dozens of 
styles and sizes). They have a totally different appearance and I 
never would want to mix them when displaying a string. Whereas I would 
not mind to mix Helvetica coming from different sources.
Your current implementation of building up font sets would be rather 
unusable for any European language user (probably even for US 
Americans, but you never can tell), as this would merge fonts that 
don't belong together. 
Don't worry.  The X server tries loading two or more fonts only if it 
needs to do so.  This is done based on
the locale in use.

I'd like it if the development team would allow me to do so.  I guess we
need a new boolean user default value, say, GSEnableXFontSet or
GSXEnableFontSet (or, FontSet may be replaced with MultiByte).
Could you suggest me a better name?


These two names sound fine for me, the later is perhaps a bit closer 
to what we have there already. Go ahead and add this, but dont forget 
to document it in back/Documentation/Back/DefaultsSummary.gsdoc. I 
think for the start the default should be NO, but we may change this 
as this option gets tested more.

OK, I will use GSXEnableFontSet and set its default to NO.

- Kazu



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Re: Full unicode support for back-xlib (2)

2003-07-17 Thread Fred Kiefer
Hi Kazu,

this patch looks great! There a only a few things I would like to change:

- As XGFontSetEnumerator is currently not implemented I would remove all 
reverences to it.

- [initWithFontName:matrix:screenFont:] may lead to memory leaks as 
RELEASE(self) is missing for all the error cases.

- char_struct_for_glyph() could return a boolean value if the chracter 
was found. Thereby making all the calls, especially [glyphIsEncoded:] a 
lot simple and removing the need of memset() inside this function.

- My man pages warn about the use of the funtion strtok(). Why not pass 
into load_font_set() the NSString and use [componentsSeparatedByString:] 
(This method is also use in the font_chacher.m)?
In this part of the code I am also a bit unsure about the pieces of the 
XLFD that you use and the ones you discard. Could you explain, document 
what you do and why? (For example, I would use the family and discard 
the foundry, you do the opposit)

- What we could also think of is to make the switch between your and the 
standard implementation of font handling one at runtime. Allowing for a 
simpler transistion without recompiling the backend each time. See the 
user default for the use of the XFT fonts.

Cheers
Fred
Kazunobu Kuriyama wrote:
Based on Fred Kiefer's suggestion, I rewrote the patches I previously sent
to bug-gnustep with the email 'Full unicode support for back-xlib'.  A few
bug fixes have also been done.
While the functionality the new patches offer remains the same as that
of the previous ones, both the organization and the performance are 
improved.

The main differences are:

(1) The part that was included in XGSFont.m.patch becomes two new files,
   XGFontSetFontInfo.h and XGFontSetFontInfo.m.
(2) The new module resulting from these files is used in XGContext.m.
As a result, the new module can be handled similarly to those of
XGFont.m and GSXftFontInfo.m.




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