bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
> GNU Guix right now is not for novice users Yeah i can see that clearly. > The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to > dive in and contribute, if you can, please do! Sure i will try, Thanks alot Léo Le Bouter: On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 10:00 +, bo0od wrote: Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places where internet need to be configured manually (adding IP,Gateway,Netmask... manually). GNU Guix right now is not for novice users, things progress at their own pace, based on available contributor time. Everyone realizes the steep learning curve of GNU Guix. There is many issues to solve before trying to make GNU Guix more accessible IMO. Be patient and things are only going to improve. The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to dive in and contribute, if you can, please do!
bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
> For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. Ok as you wish why not, But please dont give something less than what Debian installer providing. Ludovic Courtès: Hi, bo0od skribis: Did you try the graphical installation? https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of the issues you describe. Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you can even test the distro without the need to install it) Letting users use GUI (or non-GUI) tools by themselves doesn’t look appealing to me. We made the choice to provide a guided installer, similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don’t have to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps, etc. Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. Did you try the live VM image? https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ What? where? Search for “QEMU”. I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues focused on specific problems. Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it doesn’t have a guided installer. If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs. That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that’s something we could consider. For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. Thanks, Ludo’.
bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 10:00 +, bo0od wrote: > Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check > other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc > > > If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian > is > doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to > configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. > > Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places > where > internet need to be configured manually (adding > IP,Gateway,Netmask... > manually). GNU Guix right now is not for novice users, things progress at their own pace, based on available contributor time. Everyone realizes the steep learning curve of GNU Guix. There is many issues to solve before trying to make GNU Guix more accessible IMO. Be patient and things are only going to improve. The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to dive in and contribute, if you can, please do! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
> Did you try the graphical installation? > >https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ > > It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of > the issues you describe. Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you can even test the distro without the need to install it) Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. > Did you try the live VM image? > >https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ What? where? > I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues > focused on specific problems. Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places where internet need to be configured manually (adding IP,Gateway,Netmask... manually). Ludovic Courtès: Hi, bo0od skribis: According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection available at the installation process. More specifically, we cannot guarantee that an off-line installation would work because it depends on the software and services you’ll choose. This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it (falling into same category of static-ip). solving/giving: - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled by new users)check #47630 Right, this one’s already filed. - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc Did you try the graphical installation? https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of the issues you describe. - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it Did you try the live VM image? https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues focused on specific problems. Thanks, Ludo’.
bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
Hi, bo0od skribis: >> Did you try the graphical installation? >> >>https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ >> >> It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of >> the issues you describe. > > Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and > others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI > of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access > to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily > specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you > can even test the distro without the need to install it) Letting users use GUI (or non-GUI) tools by themselves doesn’t look appealing to me. We made the choice to provide a guided installer, similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don’t have to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps, etc. > Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. > >> Did you try the live VM image? >> >>https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ > > What? where? Search for “QEMU”. >> I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues >> focused on specific problems. > > Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check > other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it doesn’t have a guided installer. > If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian > is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to > configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs. That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that’s something we could consider. For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. Thanks, Ludo’.
bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
Hi, bo0od skribis: > According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to > have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection > available at the installation process. More specifically, we cannot guarantee that an off-line installation would work because it depends on the software and services you’ll choose. > This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM > which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it > (falling into same category of static-ip). > > solving/giving: > > - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well > documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled > by new users)check #47630 Right, this one’s already filed. > - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands > it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing > (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and > so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity > like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc Did you try the graphical installation? https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of the issues you describe. > - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it Did you try the live VM image? https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues focused on specific problems. Thanks, Ludo’.
bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache
Hi There, According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection available at the installation process. This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it (falling into same category of static-ip). solving/giving: - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled by new users)check #47630 - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it ...etc And any user who doesnt want GUI he can switch to tty for commands or textual installation. (The image of the guix will be bigger for surely, But as they say the bigger the better) ThX!
