Re: docs

2005-08-31 Thread Mats Bengtsson



Graham Percival wrote:


On 30-Aug-05, at 3:38 AM, Hans de Rijck wrote:

6.5.1 Articulations

In the chart showing all scripts available, can there be some spacing
between the words, they are now almost impossible to decipher, for 
example

the third line reads:
   rheelltoertoeopenstoppedturnreverseturn



I'm accepting suggestions.  This example is created from 
input/test/script-chart.ly ;

the names are done as lyrics.  How can you space out lyrics ?


According to the documentation, you might get the impression that
  \override Score.LyricText  #'word-space = #2
should do the job, but it seems that word-space doesn't affect
the spacing between lyrics syllables. Bug!?



6.5.3 Dynamics

Please add a line how to get dynamics aligned. It's now very implicit.



Please tell me how to.  :)


What I mean is, your example
c\< c\! d\> e\!
leads to a crescendo and a decrescendo that don't align (very ugly!).
If you do a small concession and write:
c\< c\! \> d e\!
they are perfectly aligned. Of course it would be better if you could 
order

lilypond to automatically align dynamics, but we can't have it all.



I'm reluctant to do this, because it has a different musical meaning (ie 
the
decresc starts on the c, not the d).  Currently the manual example 
demonstrates

the way lilypond handles most cresc/decresc.  I think the best way to
handle this is to improve lilypond's cresc handling, as Trevor suggested.


Maybe we should at least describe the current mechanism, namely that
all dynamics (absolute or (de)crescendi) that occur at or begin or end 
at one and the same note  will be vertically aligned.


/Mats


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Multiple triplets result in staff running into page border

2005-08-31 Thread Rammi
Hi!

Attached is a file with a lot of triplets.

The bottom staff is not broken, it is packed together looking very cramped 
and running out of the page.

Good luck,
Rammi
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Re: docs

2005-08-31 Thread Trevor Bača
On 8/31/05, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Graham Percival wrote:
> >

> > I'm reluctant to do this, because it has a different musical meaning (ie
> > the
> > decresc starts on the c, not the d).  Currently the manual example
> > demonstrates
> > the way lilypond handles most cresc/decresc.  I think the best way to
> > handle this is to improve lilypond's cresc handling, as Trevor suggested.
> 
> Maybe we should at least describe the current mechanism, namely that
> all dynamics (absolute or (de)crescendi) that occur at or begin or end
> at one and the same note  will be vertically aligned.

Agreed. Probably also best to note that the vertical alignment of
hairpins will be starting at left note-edge and ending at right
note-edge (as not everyone may have been around for the thread that
went on about that particular point.)


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Possible tie bug?

2005-08-31 Thread Bec and John Silva

Hi,

I have noticed a few things, possibly bugs, in a score I recently  
typeset using 2.7.8 that didn't exist in a pdf I previous typeset  
with Lilypond (not sure which version, sorry!). Here are some  
examples - all examples are 2.7.8 vs. a previous version:



 vs 

As you can see, the tie is too close to the dot.


 vs. 

I doubt this is a bug (though I didn't expect it), but I've noticed  
this different placement of ties. However, what I don't understand is  
that it's not always consistent:



 (2.7.8)

Where the tie on the same note is in a different location. Why?

I know that improved ties are part of the 2.7 release, and I'm sure  
they are great. If they're not bugs, perhaps someone could help me  
understand these things I've brought up. Thanks!


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First-note change bug, avec workaround

2005-08-31 Thread Trevor Bača
Context-first \change commands prior to any note, rest or skip data
print "warning: can't change `Staff' to `down': not changing to same
context type" and fail to effect staff change, as reported by Will
Oram.


% BEGN FIRST-NOTE CHANGE SNIPPET %%%

\score {
   \context PianoStaff = piano <<
  <<
 \context Staff = "1" {
\clef treble
\time 1/4
\change Staff = "2" % THIS LINE FAILS
c'16
\change Staff = "1"
c'16
c'16
c'16
 }
 \context Staff = "2" {
\clef bass
\time 1/4
s4
 }
  >>
   >>
}

%%% END BUG SNIPPET %%


Fortunately, there's a workaround. Add a durationless skip just prior
to change (thereby satisfying what seems to be a constraint that some
note or rest or skip precede any \change command.

%%% BEGIN FIRST-NOTE CHANGE WORKAROUND %%

\score {
   \context PianoStaff = piano <<
  <<
 \context Staff = "1" {
\clef treble
\time 1/4
s4*0 % ADD THIS LINE FOR WORKAROUND
\change Staff = "2"
c'16
\change Staff = "1"
c'16
c'16
c'16
 }
 \context Staff = "2" {
\clef bass
\time 1/4
s4
 }
  >>
   >>
}

% END WORKAROUND %


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Re: First-note change bug, avec workaround

2005-08-31 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys

Trevor Bača wrote:

Context-first \change commands prior to any note, rest or skip data
print "warning: can't change `Staff' to `down': not changing to same
context type" and fail to effect staff change, as reported by Will
Oram.


% BEGN FIRST-NOTE CHANGE SNIPPET %%%

\score {
   \context PianoStaff = piano <<
  <<
 \context Staff = "1" {
\clef treble
\time 1/4
\change Staff = "2" % THIS LINE FAILS


at this point, the Voice to be changed is not yet created. Perhaps we 
should make \context Voice implicit in \change.


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slur/decresc

2005-08-31 Thread Graham Percival

2005-08-24  Han-Wen Nienhuys  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* scm/define-grob-interfaces.scm 
(dynamic-line-spanner-interface):

add avoid-slur property.


I'm not trying to nag, but the hairpin/slur collision still exists:
(with or without those overrides)

\version "2.7.8"
{
c1~\> c\! ~ c  \break
%\override DynamicLineSpanner #'avoid-slur = #'outside
%\override Hairpin #'avoid-slur = #'outside
c1(\> c\! c)
}

HTH,
- Graham



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Re: docs

2005-08-31 Thread Graham Percival


On 31-Aug-05, at 5:55 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote:


Graham Percival wrote:
I'm accepting suggestions.  This example is created from 
input/test/script-chart.ly ;

the names are done as lyrics.  How can you space out lyrics ?


According to the documentation, you might get the impression that
  \override Score.LyricText  #'word-space = #2
should do the job, but it seems that word-space doesn't affect
the spacing between lyrics syllables. Bug!?


I think so.  input/test/script-chart.ly  also has extra lines after the 
names,

like this;
  \context Lyrics \lyricmode {
accent__
  }
which I assume is also aimed at ensuring some space between words.

In addition, there was plenty of space between words in 2.4.x, so I 
think

this is a regression.

HTH,
- Graham



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Re: Multiple triplets result in staff running into page border

2005-08-31 Thread Graham Percival


On 31-Aug-05, at 9:26 AM, Rammi wrote:


Attached is a file with a lot of triplets.

The bottom staff is not broken, it is packed together looking very 
cramped

and running out of the page.


Sorry, this mailing list removes attachment.  Could you resend this 
example

in the body of your email instead of as an attachment?

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: conversion batchfile or commandscript

2005-08-31 Thread Graham Percival


On 22-Aug-05, at 2:11 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:


Graham Percival wrote:

On 21-Aug-05, at 3:27 AM, Katrien de Vos wrote:
I am using the windows version of Lilypond. I am satisfied with the 
small download and quick installation. I am only missing a 
scriptfile (batchfile) to convert the 'old'  *.ly files to the newer 
version. Are their any plans to supply this scriptfile?


try

  http://lilypond.org/mingw/lilypond-tools-2.6.0.zip


Is this still the recommended way for windows users to get convert-ly?  
If so,

could we add this link to the download page?

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: docs

2005-08-31 Thread Graham Percival


On 31-Aug-05, at 5:55 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

I'm reluctant to do this, because it has a different musical meaning 
(ie the
decresc starts on the c, not the d).  Currently the manual example 
demonstrates

the way lilypond handles most cresc/decresc.  I think the best way to
handle this is to improve lilypond's cresc handling, as Trevor 
suggested.


Maybe we should at least describe the current mechanism, namely that
all dynamics (absolute or (de)crescendi) that occur at or begin or end 
at one and the same note  will be vertically aligned.


OK, done.  Also with Trevor's suggestion.

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: slur/decresc

2005-08-31 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Graham Percival writes:

> I'm not trying to nag, but the hairpin/slur collision still exists:

The hairpin does indeed not avoid slurs, we need some changes for that

> %\override Hairpin #'avoid-slur = #'outside

the property alone is not enough.

Thanks!

Jan.

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Re: Spaces in filenames break point-and-click with Mac OS X Preview

2005-08-31 Thread Ed Baskerville
Thanks for the fix; looks great in 2.7.8. Is this going to be rolled  
into the 2.6.4 release?


On Aug 24, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:



Ed Baskerville wrote:


When in doubt: check the spec. I did this, and found that Adobe's  
PDF  spec refers you to RFC 2396 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/ 
rfc2396.txt),  which contains the following:





Thanks. I fixed CVS to escape spaces.  We should escape all of  
them, but I am in a lazy mood, at the moment.



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