Re: Combining lyrics lines
Le 19/03/2012 12:13, Eluze disait : I think this needs some adaptation: - the lyrics mum and dad don't fit to the voices - should they be inversed!? Oops! I'm so used to the inverted situation with my parents! - Reedmace Star had proposed to use \voiceOne and \voiceTwo (which is quite usual when notating 2 voices in 1 staff): this helps the singers to locate their part (and also eliminates the warnings about clashing notes). But with the stems going down the lyrics are moved downwards, too, and they don't seem to be on one line anymore. (maybe adding some kind of padding could help). Depending on the ambitus, \voiceXXX is not optimal, and there should be few warnings about clashing note columns. By the way, what I've used with King Arthur is a third voice with lyrics aligned above for the overlapping (see page 106 of the full score available on CPDL, bar 122). I also think there are some LilyPond features that will not work in the normal way and should be discussed: - stanza numbers Having tried it, it appears that the one who doesn't sing on the first beat in the line is not mentioned (bug?). - vocalName (shortVocalName) Of no use in such a case: when a soloist shares the staff with the choir part, there is usually just a markup when switching (solo/tutti), or you change the instrument/vocal name which is attached to the *staff*. Cheers, Jean-Charles ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Jean-Charles Malahieude-2 wrote:
Please find enclosed a draft. It is much less complicated than what
Keith O'Hara provided in
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00674.html
which might help you understand what singers might read.
You'll see what I mean by commenting the layout overrides.
\version 2.14.0
texidoc = The space engine preserves by default the space for the
empty sections of lyrics, so that the lines remain consistently spaced.
When you want to use a separate @code{Voice} context for each
singer, even though the melodies usually don't overlap, you might want
to let interrupted lyrics collapse to a single line.
The layout overrides may still be useful for scores where there is
occasional small overlap between the voices, though.
In order to easily identify who sings, one of the lyrics may be
displayed in italics.
doctitle = Combining lyrics
\layout {
\context {
\Lyrics
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing
#'minimum-distance = ##f
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-unrelatedstaff-spacing
#'minumum-distance = ##f
\override LyricText #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-0.6 . 2.0)
}
}
\new Staff
\new Voice = mum { f'4^mum g' r2 | s1 | \break a'2 g' | f'1 }
\new Voice = dad { s1| a'2^dad g' | e'1 }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto dad \lyricmode {
\override LyricText #'font-shape = #'italic
may -- be... to -- mor -- row }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto mum \lyricmode { let's say now }
I think this needs some adaptation:
- the lyrics mum and dad don't fit to the voices - should they be
inversed!?
- Reedmace Star had proposed to use \voiceOne and \voiceTwo (which is quite
usual when notating 2 voices in 1 staff): this helps the singers to locate
their part (and also eliminates the warnings about clashing notes).
But with the stems going down the lyrics are moved downwards, too, and they
don't seem to be on one line anymore. (maybe adding some kind of padding
could help).
I also think there are some LilyPond features that will not work in the
normal way and should be discussed:
- stanza numbers
- vocalName (shortVocalName)
should this mentioned?
thanks
Eluze
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Issue 2420 in lilypond: Combining lyrics lines
Status: Accepted Owner: Labels: Type-Documentation New issue 2420 by colingh...@gmail.com: Combining lyrics lines http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2420 Reported by Jean-Charles Malahieude here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2012-03/msg00753.html http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.bugs/34873 James responded to the that bug report asking for clarification. Jean-Charles responded with a draft in this posting: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2012-03/msg00770.html Cheers, Colin. Attachments: combining-lyrics.ly 1.2 KB ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:13:05PM -0700, Eluze wrote: Jean-Charles Malahieude-2 wrote: Please find enclosed a draft. It is much less complicated than what Keith O'Hara provided in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00674.html which might help you understand what singers might read. Thanks for the documentation request and for taking the time to draft a new snippet, Jean-Charles. I've created tracker 2420 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2420 Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Hall ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Le 17/03/2012 11:14, Reedmace Star disait : In the first line, Alice and Eve alternate strictly in singing, so their lyrics get collapsed: ALICE EVE ALICE EVE maybe that the second words are After the manual line break, Alice cuts off Eve with a bit of overlap. Their lyrics stay on different lines, which makes sense: EVE ALICE Shut up, you fool! ...and then I was like- I wished I had found it myself... Would be worth a selected snippet in NR 2.1.2 Techniques specific to lyrics, Placing lyrics vertically? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html Cheers, Jean-Charles ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Hello, On 18 March 2012 11:33, Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr wrote: Le 17/03/2012 11:14, Reedmace Star disait : In the first line, Alice and Eve alternate strictly in singing, so their lyrics get collapsed: ALICE EVE ALICE EVE maybe that the second words are After the manual line break, Alice cuts off Eve with a bit of overlap. Their lyrics stay on different lines, which makes sense: EVE ALICE Shut up, you fool! ...and then I was like- I wished I had found it myself... Would be worth a selected snippet in NR 2.1.2 Techniques specific to lyrics, Placing lyrics vertically? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html I don't understand this request for a 'snippet', are you saying it already exists as a snippet and you want it in the NR or that you want a new snippet created *as well*? If it is the latter, and someone can give me a 'clear' explanation of what this snippet shows (so I can write a concise texidoc entry) I can arrange that, else if the snippet already exists tell me the name of it and I can add it very easily. Regards -- -- James ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Le 18/03/2012 12:38, James disait : Hello, On 18 March 2012 11:33, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 17/03/2012 11:14, Reedmace Star disait : In the first line, Alice and Eve alternate strictly in singing, so their lyrics get collapsed: ALICE EVE ALICE EVE maybe that the second words are After the manual line break, Alice cuts off Eve with a bit of overlap. Their lyrics stay on different lines, which makes sense: EVE ALICE Shut up, you fool! ...and then I was like- I wished I had found it myself... Would be worth a selected snippet in NR 2.1.2 Techniques specific to lyrics, Placing lyrics vertically? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html I don't understand this request for a 'snippet', are you saying it already exists as a snippet and you want it in the NR or that you want a new snippet created *as well*? If it is the latter, and someone can give me a 'clear' explanation of what this snippet shows (so I can write a concise texidoc entry) I can arrange that, else if the snippet already exists tell me the name of it and I can add it very easily. Searching the LSR does not return it, and I think it is worth to have it in the NR. I would sort of call it a partcombine for lyrics: it often happens that a soloist shares a staff with a choir part (let's say the diva and the soprani) when they sing alternatively, or two characters like in Reedmace Star's example. The fact is that Lily place /two/ lines of lyrics when the change appears on the same system. Cheers, Jean-Charles ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:33 AM Le 17/03/2012 11:14, Reedmace Star disait : After the manual line break, Alice cuts off Eve with a bit of overlap. Their lyrics stay on different lines, which makes sense: EVE ALICE Shut up, you fool! ...and then I was like- I wished I had found it myself... Would be worth a selected snippet in NR 2.1.2 Techniques specific to lyrics, Placing lyrics vertically? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html Yes please! That would be the correct place for it. There is nothing in the vocal section at the moment about the new spacing parameters, and this would be a great start. Trevor ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Jean-Charles, On 18 March 2012 12:49, Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr wrote: Le 18/03/2012 12:38, James disait : Hello, On 18 March 2012 11:33, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 17/03/2012 11:14, Reedmace Star disait : In the first line, Alice and Eve alternate strictly in singing, so their lyrics get collapsed: ALICE EVE ALICE EVE maybe that the second words are After the manual line break, Alice cuts off Eve with a bit of overlap. Their lyrics stay on different lines, which makes sense: EVE ALICE Shut up, you fool! ...and then I was like- I wished I had found it myself... Would be worth a selected snippet in NR 2.1.2 Techniques specific to lyrics, Placing lyrics vertically? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html I don't understand this request for a 'snippet', are you saying it already exists as a snippet and you want it in the NR or that you want a new snippet created *as well*? If it is the latter, and someone can give me a 'clear' explanation of what this snippet shows (so I can write a concise texidoc entry) I can arrange that, else if the snippet already exists tell me the name of it and I can add it very easily. Searching the LSR does not return it, and I think it is worth to have it in the NR. I would sort of call it a partcombine for lyrics: it often happens that a soloist shares a staff with a choir part (let's say the diva and the soprani) when they sing alternatively, or two characters like in Reedmace Star's example. The fact is that Lily place /two/ lines of lyrics when the change appears on the same system. I don't understand how Lyrics work in LilyPond or what your last paragraph means (it is meaningless to me, sorry - I play trumpet, I don't sing, so never need to read or use lyrics in a score) I was hoping that you could give me a texidoc string I could simply copy.paste into the example at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html Then I can create a snippet from that. I can't articulate it myself. -- -- James ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
On 18 March 2012 14:36, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Yes please! That would be the correct place for it. There is nothing in the vocal section at the moment about the new spacing parameters, and this would be a great start. Hello, I think the *French-speaking* mailing list was cc: by mistake in the first message of this thread. Could you take care of *not* cc: lilypond-user-fr in the next messages of this english-speaking thread? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Le 18/03/2012 14:53, James disait : Jean-Charles, I don't understand how Lyrics work in LilyPond or what your last paragraph means (it is meaningless to me, sorry - I play trumpet, I don't sing, so never need to read or use lyrics in a score) I was hoping that you could give me a texidoc string I could simply copy.paste into the example at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html Then I can create a snippet from that. I can't articulate it myself. Please find enclosed a draft. It is much less complicated than what Keith O'Hara provided in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00674.html which might help you understand what singers might read. You'll see what I mean by commenting the layout overrides. Cheers, Jean-Charles ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Combining lyrics lines
Le 18/03/2012 14:53, James disait :
Jean-Charles,
I don't understand how Lyrics work in LilyPond or what your last
paragraph means (it is meaningless to me, sorry - I play trumpet, I
don't sing, so never need to read or use lyrics in a score)
I was hoping that you could give me a texidoc string I could simply
copy.paste into the example at
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-03/msg00508.html
Then I can create a snippet from that. I can't articulate it myself.
Please find enclosed a draft. It is much less complicated than what
Keith O'Hara provided in
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00674.html
which might help you understand what singers might read.
You'll see what I mean by commenting the layout overrides.
Cheers,
Jean-Charles
ps: forgot the file!
\version 2.14.0
texidoc = The space engine preserves by default the space for the
empty sections of lyrics, so that the lines remain consistently spaced.
When you want to use a separate @code{Voice} context for each
singer, even though the melodies usually don't overlap, you might want
to let interrupted lyrics collapse to a single line.
The layout overrides may still be useful for scores where there is
occasional small overlap between the voices, though.
In order to easily identify who sings, one of the lyrics may be
displayed in italics.
doctitle = Combining lyrics
\layout {
\context {
\Lyrics
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-nonstaff-spacing
#'minimum-distance = ##f
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'nonstaff-unrelatedstaff-spacing
#'minumum-distance = ##f
\override LyricText #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-0.6 . 2.0)
}
}
\new Staff
\new Voice = mum { f'4^mum g' r2 | s1 | \break a'2 g' | f'1 }
\new Voice = dad { s1| a'2^dad g' | e'1 }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto dad \lyricmode {
\override LyricText #'font-shape = #'italic
may -- be... to -- mor -- row }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto mum \lyricmode { let's say now }
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