Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Valentin Villenave > wrote: > >> Well, their financials are notoriously opaque, so I wouldn't be >> surprised if some money mysteriously gets lost in the process. > > There is a hilarious video by a belgian satire program, where they > take on SABAM, the belgian society for collecting performance rights. > > article > > http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gva.be%2Fnieuws%2Fmedia-en-cultuur%2Faid1011663%2Fbasta-sabam-maakt-facturen-voor-onbestaande-groepen.aspx&act=url > > videos (dutch) > http://www.een.be/programmas/basta/sabam-en-de-makro-artiesten > > Apparently, they have inspectors that actually go to people's houses > when there are personal parties. They got back at them by organizing > performances by "Kimberly Clark" (paper towel dispenser) and "Kenwood" > (kitchen appliances). > > Shortly thereafter, SABAM got sued. The verdict's in! So, the person who contacted us is the assistant to a big-wig in the French public service. I just called her, who passed me along to him. Basically, he has a personal project that he'd like to do through LilyPond involving the syrinx that he'd like to notate. It has nothing to do with the Canadian government. I told him about lilypond-user-fr, and I'll send his assistant the list address. He also asked me to check & see if there are any people currently residing in Montreal that he could call / see for help. I told him that we were a community of volunteers, but that I'd check w/ the French list to see if there was anybody in Montreal who'd be willing to give this guy a call and/or go see him. He seems like a very nice gentleman who knows nothing about printed music, is an absolute beginner but fan of music, and who is so busy that his assistant coordinates everything for him (his job moves him around a lot). I want an assistant... Cheers, Mike ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Valentin Villenave wrote: > Well, their financials are notoriously opaque, so I wouldn't be > surprised if some money mysteriously gets lost in the process. There is a hilarious video by a belgian satire program, where they take on SABAM, the belgian society for collecting performance rights. article http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gva.be%2Fnieuws%2Fmedia-en-cultuur%2Faid1011663%2Fbasta-sabam-maakt-facturen-voor-onbestaande-groepen.aspx&act=url videos (dutch) http://www.een.be/programmas/basta/sabam-en-de-makro-artiesten Apparently, they have inspectors that actually go to people's houses when there are personal parties. They got back at them by organizing performances by "Kimberly Clark" (paper towel dispenser) and "Kenwood" (kitchen appliances). Shortly thereafter, SABAM got sued. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > This is strange. At least in Austria, there is a difference between > `Großes Recht' (covering `big' things like scenic performances in > theatres) and `Kleines Recht' (everything else), and the AKM, the > Austrian sister organization of the French SACEM, only handles Kleines > Recht normally. Großes Recht was always subject to personal > negotiations between the composer/author/publisher and the theatre. Well, here only two things are usually directly discussed with the theatre: the commission (with the composer), and the score/orchestral sheets rental (with the publisher). The rest goes through the SACEM (or, in case of theater plays, screenplays and operas, the SACD). In my case, the commission was handled quite traditionally. The "score rental" was replaced with publishing fees, that the opera paid me (since I didn't have a publisher) -- yes, this means I was actually *paid* for using LilyPond! Big step! In addition, I explicitely told them I did not want any performing rights, but I did, however, asked for some kind of indemnity in exchange for me giving up these rights. Which is why all the money was to be paid *a priori*, not *a posteriori* (in other words, even if it turned out to be a huge failure and there was no audience, this would have had no effect whatsoever on the amount I was getting.) (And, it *was* a success. Huge. Just so you know.) On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:31 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > No idea how it is over at your place, but hereabouts performing rights > are not automatically implied in copyright: you have to get (and pay > for) them separately. Well, in France too, moral rights are (supposedly) a different thing than "patrimonial" rights (aka the dough). But in fact performing rights are automatically collected no matter what (and not always rightfully), 'cause, you know, that's the way it is. > The system does not pass on the favor. The opera house has to _pay_ the > authors' association a flat fee per performance (and even if they didn't > for one performance, they would not reduce their entrance fees) or even > per season. Not only did the opera house agree that they would do this *without* the (so-called) "author's" organization -- which was unprecedented, at least in France -- but therefore they even had to give up a €100K grant that said organization normally gives for new operas. The only reason why they *did*, in the end, pay any performing rights at all *a posteriori*, was because accounting didn't get the memo :( > Your royalties will just get distributed (with interest) to other > authors once your rights expire. Prior to that, the authors' > association has to keep a hold on them, in case you or any heir of yours > happen to change your mind. Well, their financials are notoriously opaque, so I wouldn't be surprised if some money mysteriously gets lost in the process. However, the opera house (whom I got in touch with as soon as I learned about these shenanigans) assured me that they will demand that the rights-management-organization reimburse this unlawfully collected money. Of course, there's kind of a quantum leap between them demanding the money, and the organization actually *giving* them their money back, but that's not my problem anymore. Valentin. ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
Valentin Villenave writes: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, m...@apollinemike.com > wrote: >> I'll gladly fork over my 2010 gross income. > > Wow, interesting (however OT). I've just had a phone call from the > French author's rights management organization, saying they had > collected nearly €4000 on my behalf subsequently to my first opera > perfomances, and that all I had to do to receive the money was to > formally subscribe to their organization (thus acknowledging that this > money had been rightfully collected in the first place, ignoring the > way my work was licensed and negating nearly everything I've been > fighting for my whole life). I had to explain to them that this money > had been collected illegally and that they should return it to the > Opera House; took me a couple hours -- and in the end they were > practically accusing me of being a criminal. No idea how it is over at your place, but hereabouts performing rights are not automatically implied in copyright: you have to get (and pay for) them separately. > (And just fyi, €4000 is just slightly above what I make in a year.) > > (And, yes, I do feel kinda stupid for turning it down.) The system does not pass on the favor. The opera house has to _pay_ the authors' association a flat fee per performance (and even if they didn't for one performance, they would not reduce their entrance fees) or even per season. Your royalties will just get distributed (with interest) to other authors once your rights expire. Prior to that, the authors' association has to keep a hold on them, in case you or any heir of yours happen to change your mind. At least that's my guess. -- David Kastrup ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
> I've just had a phone call from the French author's rights > management organization, saying they had collected nearly €4000 on > my behalf subsequently to my first opera perfomances, and that all I > had to do to receive the money was to formally subscribe to their > organization (thus acknowledging that this money had been rightfully > collected in the first place, ignoring the way my work was licensed > and negating nearly everything I've been fighting for my whole > life). I had to explain to them that this money had been collected > illegally and that they should return it to the Opera House; took me > a couple hours -- and in the end they were practically accusing me > of being a criminal. This is strange. At least in Austria, there is a difference between `Großes Recht' (covering `big' things like scenic performances in theatres) and `Kleines Recht' (everything else), and the AKM, the Austrian sister organization of the French SACEM, only handles Kleines Recht normally. Großes Recht was always subject to personal negotiations between the composer/author/publisher and the theatre. Werner ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: > I'll gladly fork over my 2010 gross income. Wow, interesting (however OT). I've just had a phone call from the French author's rights management organization, saying they had collected nearly €4000 on my behalf subsequently to my first opera perfomances, and that all I had to do to receive the money was to formally subscribe to their organization (thus acknowledging that this money had been rightfully collected in the first place, ignoring the way my work was licensed and negating nearly everything I've been fighting for my whole life). I had to explain to them that this money had been collected illegally and that they should return it to the Opera House; took me a couple hours -- and in the end they were practically accusing me of being a criminal. (And just fyi, €4000 is just slightly above what I make in a year.) (And, yes, I do feel kinda stupid for turning it down.) Boy, do these spambots make up for interesting off-topicness :) Cheers, V. ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
2011/4/8 m...@apollinemike.com :
> Will do...it does have scam written all over it, but if she wants to pay us
> lots of money, I'd be happy to take one for the team so that LilyPond can
> remain free.
And in reverse ("she wants *us* to pay lots of money), will you take
one for the team as well? ;-)
Valentin.
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Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Valentin Villenave wrote: > 2011/4/7 m...@apollinemike.com : >> Il y a plusieurs utilisateurs francophones qui se trouvent partout dans le >> monde qui seraient ravis de discuter de LilyPond avec vous. En revanche, >> nous n'avons pas l'habitude de diffuser nos numéros de téléphone sur cette >> liste. Pouvez-vous me contacter directement pour élaborer les détails de >> votre projet ? > > Hi Mike, > > I'm available as well in case you need some backup; hopefully this is > something interesting (and legit :-) > Please do keep us in the loop! > > Cheers, > Valentin. Will do...it does have scam written all over it, but if she wants to pay us lots of money, I'd be happy to take one for the team so that LilyPond can remain free. Cheers, MS ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
2011/4/7 m...@apollinemike.com : > Il y a plusieurs utilisateurs francophones qui se trouvent partout dans le > monde qui seraient ravis de discuter de LilyPond avec vous. En revanche, > nous n'avons pas l'habitude de diffuser nos numéros de téléphone sur cette > liste. Pouvez-vous me contacter directement pour élaborer les détails de > votre projet ? Hi Mike, I'm available as well in case you need some backup; hopefully this is something interesting (and legit :-) Please do keep us in the loop! Cheers, Valentin. ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: Nouveau projet et personne ressource
On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Danielle Paquet wrote: > > Bonjour, > > J'aimerais qu'une personne ressource en développement, au sein de votre > entreprise, me fasse parvenir le numéro de téléphone et le nom d'une personne > contact, idéalement, une personne qui parle français. Nous aimerions pouvoir > communiquer avec elle demain le 8 avril dans la journée pour un projet. > Merci > de votre collaboration. > > Danielle Paquet > Adjointe administrative Bonjour, Merci de votre mail. Le projet LilyPond n'est pas une entreprise, mais plutôt un organisme de bénévoles qui a pour but d'améliorer la gravure musicale par le biais du logiciel libre. Il y a plusieurs utilisateurs francophones qui se trouvent partout dans le monde qui seraient ravis de discuter de LilyPond avec vous. En revanche, nous n'avons pas l'habitude de diffuser nos numéros de téléphone sur cette liste. Pouvez-vous me contacter directement pour élaborer les détails de votre projet ? Cordialement, Mike SOLOMON ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Nouveau projet et personne ressource
Bonjour, J'aimerais qu'une personne ressource en développement, au sein de votre entreprise, me fasse parvenir le numéro de téléphone et le nom d'une personne contact, idéalement, une personne qui parle français. Nous aimerions pouvoir communiquer avec elle demain le 8 avril dans la journée pour un projet. Merci de votre collaboration. Danielle Paquet Adjointe administrative ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
