Re: Texinfo indexing

2016-06-14 Thread David Kastrup 
Jean-Charles Malahieude  writes:

> Le 14/06/2016 à 10:47, David Kastrup a écrit :
>>>
>>> Huh, I have to try.  I just remember that we likely are still using
>>> texi2html for our web page generation, and I have no idea how _that_
>>> does the indexing.  If we can only create better sorted indices for PDF
>>> and/or Info, that would be sort of a let-down.
>>
>> A cursory glance would suggest that the following commands are entered
>> both with and without backslash via @funindex:
>>
>> \accepts
>> [...]
>>
>
> This one appears only once, labeled "\accepts" with notation.pdf.

Documentation/de/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/de/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/de/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/de/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/de/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/es/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/es/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/es/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/es/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/fr/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/fr/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/fr/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/fr/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/it/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/it/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/it/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/it/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/ja/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/ja/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/ja/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/ja/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex accepts
Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts
Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:@funindex \accepts

> Even more, there is only one target (so to say only one place where
> both versions are mentioned) for "accepts" vs 3 targets when
> @set txiindexbackslashignore
> is specified in common-macros.itexi.
>
> BTW this make a 6 pages less volume.
>
> If texi2any follows the same rule, it would be the same, I guess for
> the HTML version. For the moment I'm still stuck withe the same errors
> and unable to dig further in the switch from texi2html that, sooner or
> later, will disappear from distros.

Sigh.

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Re: Texinfo indexing

2016-06-14 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude 

Le 14/06/2016 à 10:47, David Kastrup a écrit :


Huh, I have to try.  I just remember that we likely are still using
texi2html for our web page generation, and I have no idea how _that_
does the indexing.  If we can only create better sorted indices for PDF
and/or Info, that would be sort of a let-down.


A cursory glance would suggest that the following commands are entered
both with and without backslash via @funindex:

\accepts
[...]



This one appears only once, labeled "\accepts" with notation.pdf.
Even more, there is only one target (so to say only one place where both 
versions are mentioned) for "accepts" vs 3 targets when

@set txiindexbackslashignore
is specified in common-macros.itexi.

BTW this make a 6 pages less volume.

If texi2any follows the same rule, it would be the same, I guess for the 
HTML version. For the moment I'm still stuck withe the same errors and 
unable to dig further in the switch from texi2html that, sooner or 
later, will disappear from distros.


Cheers,
Jean-Charles


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Re: Texinfo indexing

2016-06-14 Thread James 



On 13/06/16 12:00, David Kastrup wrote:

In my current Texinfo manual I read:

For the printed output, you may specify an explicit sort key for an
 index entry using '@sortas' immediately following the index command.
 For example: '@findex @sortas{\} \ @r{(literal \ in @code{@@math})'
 sorts the index entry this produces under backslash.

To reduce the quantity of sort keys you need to provide explicitly,
 you may choose to ignore certain characters in index entries for the
 purposes of sorting.  The characters that you can currently choose to
 ignore are '\', '-', '<' and '@', which are ignored by giving as an
 argument to the '@set' command, respectively, 'txiindexbackslashignore',
 'txiindexhyphenignore', 'txiindexlessthanignore' and
 'txiindexatsignignore'.  For example, specifying '@set
 txiindexbackslashignore' causes the '\mathopsup' entry in the index for
 this manual to be sorted as if it were 'mathopsup', so that it appears
 among the other entries beginning 'M'.

Now obviously this might _finally_ make it possible for us to clean up
indexing and have entries like \tweak sorted under "t" while the index
entry properly is '\tweak'.

I don't know to what degree the HTML index would be affected.  This
would require a reasonably recent version of Texinfo and/or texinfo.tex.
I believe that Gub is still stuck at version 4.something because of
efficiency considerations (Texinfo 4 is written in C rather than Perl
and thus faster).  This indexing issue, however, might well be a
reasonable incentive to bite the bullet and move to a current Texinfo
version.

Thoughts?


I assume you are meaning this?

https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/855/

and I think we are using Texi2html.

James

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Re: Texinfo indexing

2016-06-14 Thread David Kastrup 
David Kastrup  writes:

> "Phil Holmes"  writes:
>
>> "Werner LEMBERG"  wrote in message
>> news:20160614.060033.1990219825710207668...@gnu.org...
>>>
 This indexing issue, however, might well be a reasonable incentive
 to bite the bullet and move to a current Texinfo version.

 Thoughts?
>>>
>>> I support your suggestion.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>
> Huh, I have to try.  I just remember that we likely are still using
> texi2html for our web page generation, and I have no idea how _that_
> does the indexing.  If we can only create better sorted indices for PDF
> and/or Info, that would be sort of a let-down.

A cursory glance would suggest that the following commands are entered
both with and without backslash via @funindex:

\accepts
\acciaccatura
\addChordShape
\addInstrumentDefinition
\addlyrics
\addQuote
\aeolian
\afterGrace
\aikenHeads
\aikenHeadsMinor
\alias
\arpeggio
\arpeggioArrowDown
\arpeggioArrowUp
\arpeggioBracket
\arpeggioNormal
\arpeggioParenthesis
\arpeggioParenthesisDashed
\arrow-head
\ascendens
\auctum
\autoBeamOff
\autoBeamOn
\autochange
\balloonGrobText
\balloonLengthOff
\balloonLengthOn
\balloonText
\bar
\barNumberCheck
\beamExceptions
\bendAfter
\bold
\book
\box
\bracket
\breathe
\breve
\cadenzaOff
\cadenzaOn
\caesura
\cavum
\center-align
\center-column
\change
\chordmode
\circle
\clef
\column
\combine
\compressFullBarRests
\compressMMRests
\consists
\context
\cr
\cresc
\crescHairpin
\crescTextCresc
\cueClef
\cueDuring
\cueDuringWithClef
\decr
\decresc
\defaultTimeSignature
\defineBarLine
\deminutum
\denies
\descendens
\dim
\dimHairpin
\dimTextDecr
\dimTextDecresc
\dimTextDim
\displayLilyMusic
\displayMusic
\divisioMaior
\divisioMaxima
\divisioMinima
\dorian
\dotsDown
\dotsNeutral
\dotsUp
\draw-circle
\draw-line
\drummode
\dynamic
\dynamicDown
\dynamicNeutral
\dynamicUp
\easyHeadsOff
\easyHeadsOn
\epsfile
\espressivo
\expandFullBarRests
\f
\featherDurations
\fermataMarkup
\ff
\fff
\
\f
\filled-box
\fill-line
\finalis
\finger
\fixed
\fontsize
\fp
\fret-diagram
\fret-diagram-terse
\fret-diagram-verbose
\funkHeads
\funkHeadsMinor
\general-align
\glissando
\grace
\halign
\harmonic
\hbracket
\header
\hideKeySignature
\hideNotes
\hideStaffSwitch
\huge
\improvisationOff
\improvisationOn
\incipit
\inclinatum
\instrumentSwitch
\inversion
\ionian
\italic
\justified-lines
\justify
\keepWithTag
\key
\killCues
\laissezVibrer
\large
\larger
\layout
\left-align
\linea
\locrian
\longa
\lower
\lydian
\lyricmode
\lyricsto
\magnify
\magnifyMusic
\major
\makeClusters
\mark
\markLengthOff
\markLengthOn
\markup
\markuplist
\maxima
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOff
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOff
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
\mf
\midi
\minor
\mixolydian
\modalInversion
\modalTranspose
\mp
\musicglyph
\name
\new
\noBeam
\normalsize
\normal-size-super
\null
\numericTimeSignature
\octaveCheck
\omit
\once
\oneVoice
\oriscus
\ottava
\override
\overrideProperty
\overrideTimeSignatureSettings
\p
\pad-around
\pad-markup
\pad-to-box
\pad-x
\parallelMusic
\parenthesize
\partcombine
\partcombineApart
\partcombineAutomatic
\partcombineChords
\partcombineSoloI
\partcombineSoloII
\partcombineUnisono
\partial
\phrasingSlurDashed
\phrasingSlurDashPattern
\phrasingSlurDotted
\phrasingSlurDown
\phrasingSlurHalfDashed
\phrasingSlurHalfSolid
\phrasingSlurNeutral
\phrasingSlurSolid
\phrasingSlurUp
\phrygian
\pitchedTrill
\postscript
\powerChords
\pp
\ppp
\
\p
\predefinedFretboardsOff
\predefinedFretboardsOn
\quilisma
\quoteDuring
\raise
\relative
\remove
\RemoveEmptyStaves
\removeWithTag
\repeatTie
\rest
\retrograde
\revert
\revertTimeSignatureSettings
\rfz
\right-align
\rightHandFinger
\rounded-box
\sacredHarpHeads
\sacredHarpHeadsMinor
\scaleDurations
\score
\set
\sf
\sff
\sfz
\shiftOff
\shiftOn
\shiftOnn
\shiftOnnn
\showKeySignature
\showStaffSwitch
\single
\skip
\slurDashed
\slurDashPattern
\slurDotted
\slurDown
\slurHalfDashed
\slurHalfSolid
\slurNeutral
\slurSolid
\slurUp
\small
\smaller
\sostenutoOff
\sostenutoOn
\southernHarmonyHeads
\southernHarmonyHeadsMinor
\sp
\spp
\startGroup
\startStaff
\startTextSpan
\startTrillSpan
\stemDown
\stemNeutral
\stemUp
\stopGroup
\stopStaff
\stopTextSpan
\stopTrillSpan
\storePredefinedDiagram
\stringTuning
\stringTunings
\stropha
\sub
\super
\sustainOff
\sustainOn
\tabFullNotation
\tag
\taor
\teeny
\tempo
\textLengthOff
\textLengthOn
\textSpannerDown
\textSpannerNeutral
\textSpannerUp
\thumb
\tieDashed
\tieDotted
\tieDown
\tieNeutral
\tieSolid
\tieUp
\time
\times
\tiny
\translate
\translate-scaled
\transpose
\transposedCueDuring
\transposition
\treCorde
\triangle
\trill
\tuplet
\tupletDown
\tupletNeutral
\tupletUp
\tweak
\type
\unaCorda
\underline
\unHideNotes
\unset
\virga
\virgula
\voiceFour
\voiceOne
\voiceThree
\voiceTwo
\walkerHeads
\walkerHeadsMinor
\with
\with-color
\wordwrap
\wordwrap-lines


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Re: Texinfo indexing

2016-06-14 Thread David Kastrup 
"Phil Holmes"  writes:

> "Werner LEMBERG"  wrote in message
> news:20160614.060033.1990219825710207668...@gnu.org...
>>
>>> This indexing issue, however, might well be a reasonable incentive
>>> to bite the bullet and move to a current Texinfo version.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I support your suggestion.
>>
>
> +1

Huh, I have to try.  I just remember that we likely are still using
texi2html for our web page generation, and I have no idea how _that_
does the indexing.  If we can only create better sorted indices for PDF
and/or Info, that would be sort of a let-down.

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Texinfo indexing

2016-06-13 Thread David Kastrup 

In my current Texinfo manual I read:

   For the printed output, you may specify an explicit sort key for an
index entry using '@sortas' immediately following the index command.
For example: '@findex @sortas{\} \ @r{(literal \ in @code{@@math})'
sorts the index entry this produces under backslash.

   To reduce the quantity of sort keys you need to provide explicitly,
you may choose to ignore certain characters in index entries for the
purposes of sorting.  The characters that you can currently choose to
ignore are '\', '-', '<' and '@', which are ignored by giving as an
argument to the '@set' command, respectively, 'txiindexbackslashignore',
'txiindexhyphenignore', 'txiindexlessthanignore' and
'txiindexatsignignore'.  For example, specifying '@set
txiindexbackslashignore' causes the '\mathopsup' entry in the index for
this manual to be sorted as if it were 'mathopsup', so that it appears
among the other entries beginning 'M'.

Now obviously this might _finally_ make it possible for us to clean up
indexing and have entries like \tweak sorted under "t" while the index
entry properly is '\tweak'.

I don't know to what degree the HTML index would be affected.  This
would require a reasonably recent version of Texinfo and/or texinfo.tex.
I believe that Gub is still stuck at version 4.something because of
efficiency considerations (Texinfo 4 is written in C rather than Perl
and thus faster).  This indexing issue, however, might well be a
reasonable incentive to bite the bullet and move to a current Texinfo
version.

Thoughts?

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