Re: osuosl.org and Spamhaus PBL
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:16:15PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: X-Greylist: delayed 00:06:59 by SQLgrey-1.7.6 (For the record, I read the headers wrong, and it's osuosl.org that actually performs that greylisting. My apologies to Numericable, for once I accused them wrongly. Now to understand what that greylisting does for osuosl.org... if they're using PBL in the first place, and only accept SMTP connections from known ISP servers... oh well, some things are best left unexplained.) Greylisting (at least if passing results are cached) is a lot less hostile than outright blocking, but I share your sentiment and would strongly prefer that this list (and in general, all mail services used by multiple users, some of whom may not want this hostile blocking) not use the PBL. I've even had my (non-dynamic, business class) IP addresses blocked by it in the past and nearly had to pay ransom to get them delisted. Rich ___ busybox mailing list busybox@busybox.net http://lists.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/busybox
Re: osuosl.org and Spamhaus PBL
On 30 Jul 2015 05:41, Mike Frysinger wrote: the OSUOSL has kindly hosted busybox infrastructure for us for a long time now and that includes activing as admins for the mail server. they would prefer to keep admining these things since it's sitting on their network, and i have no problem deferring to them. not that i think what you describe is even an issue in the first place -- if you want to send e-mail, then don't use dynamic IPs. it's unfortunate that your ISP sucks, but that doesn't translate into us enabling a significant source of spam. ah, and the irony that e-mails to you get bounced by design and require some bs confirm app. forcing that on everyone else is pretty lame. -mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ busybox mailing list busybox@busybox.net http://lists.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/busybox
Re: osuosl.org and Spamhaus PBL
the OSUOSL has kindly hosted busybox infrastructure for us for a long time now and that includes activing as admins for the mail server. they would prefer to keep admining these things since it's sitting on their network, and i have no problem deferring to them. not that i think what you describe is even an issue in the first place -- if you want to send e-mail, then don't use dynamic IPs. it's unfortunate that your ISP sucks, but that doesn't translate into us enabling a significant source of spam. -mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ busybox mailing list busybox@busybox.net http://lists.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/busybox
Re: osuosl.org and Spamhaus PBL
X-Greylist: delayed 00:06:59 by SQLgrey-1.7.6 (For the record, I read the headers wrong, and it's osuosl.org that actually performs that greylisting. My apologies to Numericable, for once I accused them wrongly. Now to understand what that greylisting does for osuosl.org... if they're using PBL in the first place, and only accept SMTP connections from known ISP servers... oh well, some things are best left unexplained.) -- Laurent ___ busybox mailing list busybox@busybox.net http://lists.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/busybox
osuosl.org and Spamhaus PBL
Hello, The latest message I sent to the list was blocked by the busybox.net MX because my IP was listed in the SpamHaus PBL - that means it is a dynamic address provided by my ISP, which it indeed is. Mail servers that reject mail based on a PBL listing basically enforce the use of the provider's SMTP server and disallow use of the customer's own SMTP server. I have my own SMTP server. It works, it has always worked, and if it doesn't work, I can fix it. I do not want to use my ISP's SMTP server for several reasons: - If at some point I want to encrypt my mail, I want it to be done between my server and the recipient's server, not between my server and my ISP's. I don't want to allow my ISP to read my mail. - My ISP is made of incompetent morons who have no idea what customer service is, how the Internet works or how to configure or scale a service. Every mail I send through them sits in their queue for several minutes. The previous mail I sent had this charming header in it: X-Greylist: delayed 00:06:59 by SQLgrey-1.7.6 (so it wasn't actually incompetence in this case, it was intentional disservice.) The PBL is part of a larger tendency to disempower individual users and put that power into the ISP's hands, which comes with a very unsavory smell of surveillance, breach of net neutrality, and also user infantilization and deresponsabilization. It's the first time I get a bounce based on a PBL listing, and the busybox.net MX is the first MX giving me such a bounce. I have to say it is a major disappointment coming from such a list. I noticed in the headers that the osuosl.org servers were actually hosting the list. So it looks like osuosl.org implements PBL blacklisting. It's the first time I send a mail to the Busybox list and it is rejected by PBL, so either the list hosting was switched to osuosl.org very recently, or they added the feature recently. Would it be envisionable to either switch hostings again, or persuade osuosl.org to roll this back (one can hope) ? I want to think that busybox.net people are technically savvy, responsible people who dislike this kind of disempowerment as much as I do, and that my plea will fall on listening, understanding ears. Thanks. (osuosl.org homepage: The Open Source Lab is an organization working for the advancement of open source technologies. They forgot to mention without consideration as to how they are applied.) -- Laurent ___ busybox mailing list busybox@busybox.net http://lists.busybox.net/mailman/listinfo/busybox
