Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Tony BenBrahim via BVARC]

Seño avoids potential mistakes. It is quite common in these parts.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/se%C3%B1o

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 8:12 AM Stephen Flowers via BVARC 
wrote:

> All,
> Same in Spanish:  Señorita (unmarried lady), Señora (married lady).
> However, you’d likely get killed if you called a Señora an “ex -
> señorita”.  Dangerous waters, tread carefully is all I’m saying..  LOL
>
> 73,
> Stephen (W2WF)
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2024, at 8:44 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC 
> wrote:
>
> Our abbreviated signals are just shorthand.
> CQ is derived from “seek you”
> OM is old man. That’s you, Anthony (and me).
> YL is “Young Lady”… you got that right. A YL can be licensed or
> non-licensed. When a YL gets married, regardless of License or Non-License,
> she becomes an Ex-YL, or XYL.
> Similar to French, if I recall correctly from High School French class
> (and Phillipe can also correct me) Mademoiselle is the young lady whereas
> Madam is the married lady.
>
> XYL is just the wife. Shouldnt be a statement that someone gets offended
> over.
> Of they do, just continue to use the shorthand in CW, where it was likely
> birthed and she will be none the wiser, unless she knows CW, then its
> likely she wont care.
>
> Chris/AC5CM
>
>
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> On Jan 7, 2024, at 16:04, anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:
>
> 
> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
> XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
> Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
> better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>
> Young Lady
> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is
> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As
> male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
> non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
> --
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Stephen Flowers via BVARC]

All,
Same in Spanish:  Señorita (unmarried lady), Señora (married lady).  However, 
you’d likely get killed if you called a Señora an “ex - señorita”.  Dangerous 
waters, tread carefully is all I’m saying..  LOL

73,
Stephen (W2WF)


> On Jan 7, 2024, at 8:44 PM, Chris Medlin via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> Our abbreviated signals are just shorthand. 
> CQ is derived from “seek you”
> OM is old man. That’s you, Anthony (and me). 
> YL is “Young Lady”… you got that right. A YL can be licensed or non-licensed. 
> When a YL gets married, regardless of License or Non-License, she becomes an 
> Ex-YL, or XYL. 
> Similar to French, if I recall correctly from High School French class (and 
> Phillipe can also correct me) Mademoiselle is the young lady whereas Madam is 
> the married lady. 
>  
> XYL is just the wife. Shouldnt be a statement that someone gets offended 
> over. 
> Of they do, just continue to use the shorthand in CW, where it was likely 
> birthed and she will be none the wiser, unless she knows CW, then its likely 
> she wont care. 
> 
> Chris/AC5CM
> 
> 
> Typos brought to you by iPhone
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>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 16:04, anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL 
>> means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either 
>> way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half 
>> if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>> 
>> Young Lady
>> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is 
>> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As male 
>> operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed 
>> spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.) 
>> -- 
>> Anthony Morones
>>  W5LIC
>> w5li...@gmail.com 
>> 713-410-3948
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Jeff Greer via BVARC]

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/CQ#:~:text=Translingual-,Etymology%201,come%20from%20English%20seek%20you.



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Date: 1/7/24 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

Our abbreviated signals are just shorthand.
CQ is derived from “seek you”
OM is old man. That’s you, Anthony (and me).
YL is “Young Lady”… you got that right. A YL can be licensed or non-licensed. 
When a YL gets married, regardless of License or Non-License, she becomes an 
Ex-YL, or XYL.
Similar to French, if I recall correctly from High School French class (and 
Phillipe can also correct me) Mademoiselle is the young lady whereas Madam is 
the married lady.

XYL is just the wife. Shouldnt be a statement that someone gets offended over.
Of they do, just continue to use the shorthand in CW, where it was likely 
birthed and she will be none the wiser, unless she knows CW, then its likely 
she wont care.

Chris/AC5CM


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On Jan 7, 2024, at 16:04, anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:


So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL 
means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either way 
it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half if she 
is an operator. I was given this when I said that.

Young Lady
The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is used 
to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As male 
operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed spouse 
of an OM is often called an XYL.)
--
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 W5LIC
w5li...@gmail.com<mailto:w5li...@gmail.com>
713-410-3948

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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Chris Medlin via BVARC]

Our abbreviated signals are just shorthand.
CQ is derived from “seek you”
OM is old man. That’s you, Anthony (and me).
YL is “Young Lady”… you got that right. A YL can be licensed or non-licensed. 
When a YL gets married, regardless of License or Non-License, she becomes an 
Ex-YL, or XYL.
Similar to French, if I recall correctly from High School French class (and 
Phillipe can also correct me) Mademoiselle is the young lady whereas Madam is 
the married lady.

XYL is just the wife. Shouldnt be a statement that someone gets offended over.
Of they do, just continue to use the shorthand in CW, where it was likely 
birthed and she will be none the wiser, unless she knows CW, then its likely 
she wont care.

Chris/AC5CM


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On Jan 7, 2024, at 16:04, anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:


So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL 
means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either way 
it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half if she 
is an operator. I was given this when I said that.

Young Lady
The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is used 
to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As male 
operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed spouse 
of an OM is often called an XYL.)
--
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 W5LIC
w5li...@gmail.com
713-410-3948

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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Mike Hardwick via BVARC]

 Rod,
Thanks for the great info OM. 
MikeN5VCX

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 05:00:54 PM CST, Rod Neumann via BVARC 
 wrote:  
 
 regarding the proper meanings of: YL  OM and XYL and DR
At the dawn of Ham Radio, it was the Flapper days... the 1920s.  Couples didn't 
"date".  They courted.  You had to have family permission to approach a young 
lady for courtship or at the very least, introduced.  If you were interested in 
a female, a single one, she was  properly called a "young lady".  Typically a 
Young Lady was presumably available if she was called a young lady.  You might 
imagine that ham radio was an interesting activity for young men, just like 
automobiles in the 1910s, 20s, 30s.  And nothing's changed where of course, 
girls were a constant topic.  They weren't "girls" back then, but maybe "gals" 
and more properly they were Young Ladies.  And the young men teased each other 
if they were too fogey, too "not with it".  Far from being nerds, young men 
interested in cars and radio were cool, in today-speak.  And if you were not 
cool, you were an old man.  Think British.  They commonly teased each other by 
calling each other "old man".  You've heard that, right?
So the fellows called themselves OM, sort of poking fun at themselves and at 
each other.  And if a man was unmarried and he was looking, he was looking for 
a Young Lady... a single lady, not a married one.  
So if you said to a friend, "hey old man, have you seen this new young lady 
around town?  I think her name is Ann. Do you know anything about her?"And then 
if he replied, "yeh old man, stay away from her, she's Bud's wife (or fiancee 
or ..) -- she's no longer a young lady (not single), she's an Ex- Young Lady."
I can see that being a joke that became a meme.  There were YLs and so it would 
be funny to call the claimed ones "Ex".  Not about age.  About availability.
Contrary to some misunderstandings, originally YLs and XYLs are not just 
females in the ham fraternity, or married to hams, it just means YL=Available 
Women and XYL=Unavailable Women (either claimed or married).
I was mostly hamming in the 1960s, and this is what I picked up reading and 
listening back in that day.. .and when I came back to ham radio in 2000 I 
noticed people were afraid of offending wives if they called them XYL.  No.  It 
wasn't Ex as in No Longer Young.  But they heard the EX modified "young" so it 
must mean "old".  Not originally, anyway.  But times change.  People get 
offended by language they don't understand -- so they try to be "correct".  It 
is a quaint old custom to call each other OM... It was a fun way the young men 
of the early 20th century calling each other out if they behaved too staid and 
proper, instead of adventurous and young-minded.  So OM is ok with me -- 
doesn't mean we are old.. it's just tradition. 
BTW, chasing DX on CW it was common to address each other as DR OM which meant 
Dear OM.  That's another quaint custom that seems to confuse people and has 
been lost mostly except maybe internationally sometimes.  We are afraid if we 
say Dear OM there's a sexual overtone?  Come on.  Go read old letters addressed 
between business people.  Even today it is proper to address a letter "Dear 
Sir:"..   There's a reason for that.  We've probably all been taken wrongly in 
an email or text when someone mistakens our tone... maybe they think we are 
sarcastic or angry or pedantic even when we are just trying to make factual 
statements.  That has ALWAYS been a problem with language that is not face to 
face, where you can read the other one's countenance, the emotionless text can 
be misconstrued.  So the "Dear" and the "very truly yours" language was 
customary to lighten the speech.
So how do I know all these things?  You can take my facts to the bank.  After 
all, most of what I think I know I learned from listening to myself talk.
ROD  / W5IE




On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:

So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL 
means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either way 
it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half if she 
is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
Young LadyThe term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, 
that is used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As 
male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed 
spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.) 
-- 
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713-410-3948
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[K5BOU via BVARC]

What if your wife goes be he and not she? Just kidding. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 7, 2024, at 17:28, Wes Harris via BVARC  wrote:Great discussion Anthony.  I was working a very elderly gentleman during field day a couple years back.   I said 73 Old Man and all the hams around me listening were shocked and thought I was being offensive.  I explained that it was proper and hams call each other OM all the time and that I’ve been using it since my novice days in the late 70s.  My XYL Shannon does not like being referred to as XYL.   Hihi She is mostly a good sport about the hobby but keeps her distance.   Lol73 OM and YLs. De W5WES WesleySent from my iPhoneOn Jan 7, 2024, at 5:06 PM, Mike Knerr via BVARC  wrote:We live and learn. I've had my face slapped a few times.Mike Knerr KI5UBL 73On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.Young LadyThe term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.) -- Anthony Morones         W5LICw5li...@gmail.com    713-410-3948

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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[JP Pritchard via BVARC]

I have avoided the xyl designation because I think there are ladies among the 
ranks of ham radio operators who interpret xyl and ex young lady -- not a 
flattering thing to say.  I think it's usually a good idea to refer to "the 
wife" or "the girlfriend" as "my better half."  And to always keep in mind that 
the key to a happy relationship is a close familiarity with the phrase "yes 
dear," and that's 47 years of married bliss speaking.
 
JP, K5JPP

> On 01/07/2024 4:03 PM CST anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:
>  
>  
> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL 
> means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either 
> way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half 
> if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>  
> Young Lady
> 
> 
>  
> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is 
> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As male 
> operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed 
> spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.) 
> --
> Anthony Morones
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Wes Harris via BVARC]

Great discussion Anthony.  I was working a very elderly gentleman during field day a couple years back.   I said 73 Old Man and all the hams around me listening were shocked and thought I was being offensive.  I explained that it was proper and hams call each other OM all the time and that I’ve been using it since my novice days in the late 70s.  My XYL Shannon does not like being referred to as XYL.   Hihi She is mostly a good sport about the hobby but keeps her distance.   Lol73 OM and YLs. De W5WES WesleySent from my iPhoneOn Jan 7, 2024, at 5:06 PM, Mike Knerr via BVARC  wrote:We live and learn. I've had my face slapped a few times.Mike Knerr KI5UBL 73On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator. Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.Young LadyThe term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.) -- Anthony Morones         W5LICw5li...@gmail.com    713-410-3948

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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Mike Knerr via BVARC]

We live and learn.
I've had my face slapped a few times.
Mike Knerr KI5UBL 73

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC  wrote:

> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
> XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
> Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
> better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>
> Young Lady
> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is
> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As
> male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
> non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
> --
> *Anthony Morones*
> * W5LIC*
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Rod Neumann via BVARC]

regarding the proper meanings of: YL  OM and XYL and DR

At the dawn of Ham Radio, it was the Flapper days... the 1920s.  Couples
didn't "date".  They courted.  You had to have family permission to
approach a young lady for courtship or at the very least, introduced.  If
you were interested in a female, a single one, she was  properly called a
"young lady".  Typically a Young Lady was presumably available if she was
called a young lady.  You might imagine that ham radio was an interesting
activity for young men, just like automobiles in the 1910s, 20s, 30s.  And
nothing's changed where of course, girls were a constant topic.  They
weren't "girls" back then, but maybe "gals" and more properly they were
Young Ladies.  And the young men teased each other if they were too fogey,
too "not with it".  Far from being nerds, young men interested in cars and
radio were cool, in today-speak.  And if you were not cool, you were an old
man.  Think British.  They commonly teased each other by calling each other
"old man".  You've heard that, right?

So the fellows called themselves OM, sort of poking fun at themselves and
at each other.  And if a man was unmarried and he was looking, he was
looking for a Young Lady... a single lady, not a married one.

So if you said to a friend, "hey old man, have you seen this new young lady
around town?  I think her name is Ann. Do you know anything about her?"
And then if he replied, "yeh old man, stay away from her, she's Bud's wife
(or fiancee or ..) -- she's no longer a young lady (not single), she's an
Ex- Young Lady."

I can see that being a joke that became a meme.  There were YLs and so it
would be funny to call the claimed ones "Ex".  Not about age.  About
availability.

Contrary to some misunderstandings, originally YLs and XYLs are not just
females in the ham fraternity, or married to hams, it just means
YL=Available Women and XYL=Unavailable Women (either claimed or married).

I was mostly hamming in the 1960s, and this is what I picked up reading and
listening back in that day.. .and when I came back to ham radio in 2000 I
noticed people were afraid of offending wives if they called them XYL.
No.  It wasn't Ex as in No Longer Young.  But they heard the EX modified
"young" so it must mean "old".  Not originally, anyway.  But times change.
People get offended by language they don't understand -- so they try to be
"correct".  It is a quaint old custom to call each other OM... It was a fun
way the young men of the early 20th century calling each other out if they
behaved too staid and proper, instead of adventurous and young-minded.  So
OM is ok with me -- doesn't mean we are old.. it's just tradition.

BTW, chasing DX on CW it was common to address each other as DR OM which
meant Dear OM.  That's another quaint custom that seems to confuse people
and has been lost mostly except maybe internationally sometimes.  We are
afraid if we say Dear OM there's a sexual overtone?  Come on.  Go read old
letters addressed between business people.  Even today it is proper to
address a letter "Dear Sir:"..   There's a reason for that.  We've probably
all been taken wrongly in an email or text when someone mistakens our
tone... maybe they think we are sarcastic or angry or pedantic even when we
are just trying to make factual statements.  That has ALWAYS been a problem
with language that is not face to face, where you can read the other one's
countenance, the emotionless text can be misconstrued.  So the "Dear" and
the "very truly yours" language was customary to lighten the speech.

So how do I know all these things?  You can take my facts to the bank.
After all, most of what I think I know I learned from listening to myself
talk.

ROD  / W5IE





On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC 
wrote:

> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
> XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
> Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
> better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>
> Young Lady
> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is
> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As
> male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
> non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
> --
> *Anthony Morones*
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[anthony moro via BVARC]

I just want to share this learning experience with yall.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:21 PM Rick Hiller  wrote:

> The key word in that definition is "spouse"  -- referred to as an XYL when
> talking to a husband -- the OM.   All other references to a girlfriend or
> any female or  licensed female use YL. If you don't like XYL, just use
> wife.  There is a national group called the YL's.
>
> W5RH
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC 
> wrote:
>
>> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
>> XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
>> Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
>> better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>>
>> Young Lady
>> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that
>> is used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age.
>> (As male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
>> non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
>> --
>> *Anthony Morones*
>> * W5LIC*
>> *w5li...@gmail.com *
>> *713-410-3948*
>> 
>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
>>
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>> Publicly available archives are available here:
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/
>>
>
>
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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[Rick Hiller via BVARC]

The key word in that definition is "spouse"  -- referred to as an XYL when
talking to a husband -- the OM.   All other references to a girlfriend or
any female or  licensed female use YL. If you don't like XYL, just use
wife.  There is a national group called the YL's.

W5RH

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC 
wrote:

> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
> XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
> Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
> better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>
> Young Lady
> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is
> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As
> male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
> non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
> --
> *Anthony Morones*
> * W5LIC*
> *w5li...@gmail.com *
> *713-410-3948*
> 
> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
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>


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Re: [BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[mark roman via BVARC]

I thought an XYL is a married female ham radio operator.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:04 PM anthony moro via BVARC 
wrote:

> So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
> XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
> Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
> better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.
>
> Young Lady
> The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is
> used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As
> male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
> non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
>
> --
> *Anthony Morones*
> * W5LIC*
> *w5li...@gmail.com *
> *713-410-3948*
> 
> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
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[BVARC] Why not to use XYL

[anthony moro via BVARC]

So today I was schooled why I shouldn't call a female operator a XYL. So
XYL means unlicensed female operator, or ones wife that is an operator.
Either way it seems to me that it is not a good idea to say that to you
better half if she is an operator. I was given this when I said that.

Young Lady
The term "Young Lady" derives from a Morse code abbreviation, YL, that is
used to refer to female amateur radio operators, regardless of age. (As
male operators of any age are addressed as OM or "old man", the
non-licensed spouse of an OM is often called an XYL.)
-- 
*Anthony Morones*
* W5LIC*
*w5li...@gmail.com *
*713-410-3948*

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