Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
Help Vampires (http://slash7.com/articles/2006/12/22/vampires) , what a great article. It's good to have some grumpy old-timers around, to keep the help vampires in-check! On May 11, 3:42 pm, "Chris Hartjes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/11/07, John David Anderson (_psychic_) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It has nothing to do with frameworks and everything to do with > > community. Sure, the code itself rocks - but these polls are a fun > > way to see how awesome the community response is. If you don't want > > to participate, that's fine. I don't think it's a license to rain on > > the parade, though. > > I wasn't aware I needed a license to rain on this parade. I should > check local bylaws. :) > > John, you do have a point in that it shows community response, but I > wouldn't take too much stock in the results. After all, you could > just as easily say "all those people voting for CakePHP are fanboys so > you should take the results with a grain of salt". > > I stick by my statement about people's decision making skills, though. > I'm a battle-scarred veteran of other people's poorly-thought-out > decisions, often made based on how high on google the home page was > ranked. > > The CakePHP community is a good one, and I'm starting to think that > the real problem is a lack of organized, relevant documentation. > John, send me an email telling me what you're doing on the > documentation front because I have some ideas based on yet another > read of my (name dropping here) friend Amy Hoy's article about 'Help > Vampires' > > http://slash7.com/pages/ > > -- > Chris Hartjes > > My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" > > @TheBallpark -http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark > @TheKeyboard -http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
Chris on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays Sam on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays Nate on Sundays -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Chris Hartjes Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Mayo de 2007 05:04 p.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP! HAHAHAH! Vote for Sam. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, Chris Hartjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/11/07, John David Anderson (_psychic_) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Which CakePHP veteran is grumpier? > > > > [ ] - Sam DeVore > > [ ] - Chris Hartjes > > > > [Vote] > > > > HAHAHAH! Vote for Sam. Vote for Chris ;) My moto for 2007 2nd quarter: "Shut up and build it, damnit!" > > -- > Chris Hartjes > > My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" > > @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark > @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard > > > > -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, John David Anderson (_psychic_) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which CakePHP veteran is grumpier? > > [ ] - Sam DeVore > [ ] - Chris Hartjes > > [Vote] > HAHAHAH! Vote for Sam. -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, John David Anderson (_psychic_) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The CakePHP community is a good one, and I'm starting to think that > > the real problem is a lack of organized, relevant documentation. > > Before we move forward, I'd like to look back. First, I need to get a > handle on the specifics that allow you to make that conclusion (on > another thread, preferably). Once we fix what we've got, we'll worry > about new ideas. > Okay, I'll be very brief: right now we point people at the manual, the Bakery or to search the google archives for the group. I think we need a "Cake Resources" page we can direct people to that will stop us from pointing at specific things. -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On May 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Samuel DeVore wrote: > > On 5/11/07, Gonzalo Servat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 5/11/07, Mariano Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> You are grumpy today. Polls are probably the best way of telling >>> what the >>> general sense in the developer community is. Naturally it depends >>> on the >>> poll, its audience, and how easy it is to hack it, but anyway, >>> you get the >>> idea... Still, you are grumpy. >> >> I've never seen Chris in a terribly good mood so it's hard to tell >> when he >> is grumpy and when he is not ;-) >> > > I am the grumpy one pt Which CakePHP veteran is grumpier? [ ] - Sam DeVore [ ] - Chris Hartjes [Vote] ;o) -- John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On May 11, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Chris Hartjes wrote: > > On 5/11/07, John David Anderson (_psychic_) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> It has nothing to do with frameworks and everything to do with >> community. Sure, the code itself rocks - but these polls are a fun >> way to see how awesome the community response is. If you don't want >> to participate, that's fine. I don't think it's a license to rain on >> the parade, though. > > I wasn't aware I needed a license to rain on this parade. I should > check local bylaws. :) Yeah I think it's illegal to have those kids on your lawn too. :) > John, you do have a point in that it shows community response, but I > wouldn't take too much stock in the results. After all, you could > just as easily say "all those people voting for CakePHP are fanboys so > you should take the results with a grain of salt". This has nothing to do with results, and everything about having a good time and joking around. Sometimes we do things for fun, not results. Besides, the metric I'm using is from a community perspective, not from an outsider's view. I don't really care if polls bring new users (though its a nice side effect) - but a poll being rocked every month or so is a nice way to keep a pulse on who's active and how much they like us. > I stick by my statement about people's decision making skills, though. > I'm a battle-scarred veteran of other people's poorly-thought-out > decisions, often made based on how high on google the home page was > ranked. Well I don't think we're garnering support for vaporware here. SEOmoz doesn't seem to think so, anyway. Again, this isn't about bringing people in. > The CakePHP community is a good one, and I'm starting to think that > the real problem is a lack of organized, relevant documentation. Before we move forward, I'd like to look back. First, I need to get a handle on the specifics that allow you to make that conclusion (on another thread, preferably). Once we fix what we've got, we'll worry about new ideas. -- John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, Gonzalo Servat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/11/07, Mariano Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You are grumpy today. Polls are probably the best way of telling what the > > general sense in the developer community is. Naturally it depends on the > > poll, its audience, and how easy it is to hack it, but anyway, you get the > > idea... Still, you are grumpy. > > I've never seen Chris in a terribly good mood so it's hard to tell when he > is grumpy and when he is not ;-) > I am the grumpy one pt -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, John David Anderson (_psychic_) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It has nothing to do with frameworks and everything to do with > community. Sure, the code itself rocks - but these polls are a fun > way to see how awesome the community response is. If you don't want > to participate, that's fine. I don't think it's a license to rain on > the parade, though. I wasn't aware I needed a license to rain on this parade. I should check local bylaws. :) John, you do have a point in that it shows community response, but I wouldn't take too much stock in the results. After all, you could just as easily say "all those people voting for CakePHP are fanboys so you should take the results with a grain of salt". I stick by my statement about people's decision making skills, though. I'm a battle-scarred veteran of other people's poorly-thought-out decisions, often made based on how high on google the home page was ranked. The CakePHP community is a good one, and I'm starting to think that the real problem is a lack of organized, relevant documentation. John, send me an email telling me what you're doing on the documentation front because I have some ideas based on yet another read of my (name dropping here) friend Amy Hoy's article about 'Help Vampires' http://slash7.com/pages/ -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, Gonzalo Servat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/11/07, Mariano Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You are grumpy today. Polls are probably the best way of telling what the > > general sense in the developer community is. Naturally it depends on the > > poll, its audience, and how easy it is to hack it, but anyway, you get the > > idea... Still, you are grumpy. > > I've never seen Chris in a terribly good mood so it's hard to tell when he > is grumpy and when he is not ;-) > > - Gonzalo Bah! All I want is for you no-good kids to get off my lawn! -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On May 11, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Chris Hartjes wrote: > > On 5/11/07, Mariano Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Go ahead and show your love for CakePHP: >> > > Maybe I'm just grumpy today, but what is the point of these popularity > contests? Who are we actually serving by endlessly voting in polls > about what PHP framework is the best? If someone chooses CakePHP > because it is the most popular choice on some poll on a web site, > well, I have to be honest when I say I doubt their abilities to make > any sort of decision. It has nothing to do with frameworks and everything to do with community. Sure, the code itself rocks - but these polls are a fun way to see how awesome the community response is. If you don't want to participate, that's fine. I don't think it's a license to rain on the parade, though. > I chose CakePHP because it reflected a lot of what went into Ruby > on Rails. Yep. I continue to choose CakePHP because of the awesome people associate with everyday. To me, the active community is a big part of the CakePHP Advantage®. -- John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, Mariano Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You are grumpy today. Polls are probably the best way of telling what the > general sense in the developer community is. Naturally it depends on the > poll, its audience, and how easy it is to hack it, but anyway, you get the > idea... Still, you are grumpy. I've never seen Chris in a terribly good mood so it's hard to tell when he is grumpy and when he is not ;-) - Gonzalo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
You are grumpy today. Polls are probably the best way of telling what the general sense in the developer community is. Naturally it depends on the poll, its audience, and how easy it is to hack it, but anyway, you get the idea... Still, you are grumpy. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Chris Hartjes Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Mayo de 2007 03:17 p.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP! Maybe I'm just grumpy today, but what is the point of these popularity contests? Who are we actually serving by endlessly voting in polls about what PHP framework is the best? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cast your vote for CakePHP!
On 5/11/07, Mariano Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Go ahead and show your love for CakePHP: > Maybe I'm just grumpy today, but what is the point of these popularity contests? Who are we actually serving by endlessly voting in polls about what PHP framework is the best? If someone chooses CakePHP because it is the most popular choice on some poll on a web site, well, I have to be honest when I say I doubt their abilities to make any sort of decision. I chose CakePHP because it reflected a lot of what went into Ruby on Rails. -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: "Just build it, damnit!" @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cast your vote for CakePHP!
It has been posted already, but lately CI has been catching up. Go ahead and show your love for CakePHP: http://www.php-mag.net/magphpde/magphpde_news/psecom,id,27201,nodeid,5.html -MI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
