Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
Yes it can handle it. Now go build it. -- Larry E. Masters On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ziki wrote: > So there is no any answer for me. I do not wont precize answer just > aproximatly. > > But, tnx guys anywhere. > > P.S. I will not have new facebook, but with some similarity. > > On 26 pro, 22:01, CapeJag wrote: > > You are persistent for sure. I also agree with others who have responded > to > > you about specific sizing for your application. I have done this > > professionally for dozens of years (for big money) - it takes a lot more > > information than just number of connections to determine the size of your > > server 'farm'. > > > > Maybe folks could call out the 'largest' website they are currently aware > of > > and provide a few metrics along with the site URL. > > > > Wow, I do hope you make another fortune like Mark did, good luck! > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
I think you dont understand what the guys said. They said that you can have an application that consumes all your powerful hardware with a few users or the oposit; an application that consumes 1% of your weak hardware with a lot of users at same time. If you dont give more details about your application, like benchmarks, we cannot give you any useful answers. The answer for your question, based on the informations we have, is YES AND NO. Got it? -- Renato de Freitas Freire ren...@morfer.org On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Ziki wrote: > So there is no any answer for me. I do not wont precize answer just > aproximatly. > > But, tnx guys anywhere. > > P.S. I will not have new facebook, but with some similarity. > > On 26 pro, 22:01, CapeJag wrote: > > You are persistent for sure. I also agree with others who have responded > to > > you about specific sizing for your application. I have done this > > professionally for dozens of years (for big money) - it takes a lot more > > information than just number of connections to determine the size of your > > server 'farm'. > > > > Maybe folks could call out the 'largest' website they are currently aware > of > > and provide a few metrics along with the site URL. > > > > Wow, I do hope you make another fortune like Mark did, good luck! > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
So there is no any answer for me. I do not wont precize answer just aproximatly. But, tnx guys anywhere. P.S. I will not have new facebook, but with some similarity. On 26 pro, 22:01, CapeJag wrote: > You are persistent for sure. I also agree with others who have responded to > you about specific sizing for your application. I have done this > professionally for dozens of years (for big money) - it takes a lot more > information than just number of connections to determine the size of your > server 'farm'. > > Maybe folks could call out the 'largest' website they are currently aware of > and provide a few metrics along with the site URL. > > Wow, I do hope you make another fortune like Mark did, good luck! Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
You are persistent for sure. I also agree with others who have responded to you about specific sizing for your application. I have done this professionally for dozens of years (for big money) - it takes a lot more information than just number of connections to determine the size of your server 'farm'. Maybe folks could call out the 'largest' website they are currently aware of and provide a few metrics along with the site URL. Wow, I do hope you make another fortune like Mark did, good luck! Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
Ok, thank you for your answers. I am interesting if someone have experience in CakePHP powered site and it has a large number of users. I know that performance depends on servers hardware and optimizing queries. I am interesting that someone approximately can tell me if I have 10 000 users online (logged in), can I have that site powered with CakePHP and if I can, will that hardware be enough (previously described). I think that I will not have more than 5 000 users logged in, but I am just curious. I know that CakePHP is slow framework, and I know tips how to improve performance. But I dont know how many users can handle, that processing of request will be < 1 second. I will not have new facebook, neither so big application, the concept of site design will be like facebook, with lot of ajax request and hits. My site couldn't compare with facebook. I like CakePHP, and I am in love with in, I tried to use others but always I come back to Cake :-) I hope you understand my question, and topic of this discussion. On 25 pro, 20:56, Ryan Schmidt wrote: > On Dec 25, 2010, at 13:34, Ziki wrote: > > > No i will not have so many users like facebook, I will about 50 000 - > > 500 000 users. But application will be similar in the concept like > > re interesting topics, but probably the only ones that are on-topic for > > this list are the ones that directly relate to CakePHP. For example, if > > there is a query that CakePHP generated that you found is slowing down your > > app, maybe someone here can help you find better parameters to pass to > > CakePHP to make it generate a more-efficient query. Or if you have > > questions about CakePHP's various caching mechanisms that aren't adequately > > explained in the book, perhaps we can help with that. facebook, with lot of > > ajax request end so on. So, ifa I have 10 000 > > users logged in how strong server must be? > > I don't think anyone here can provide you with answers based on your brief > overview. And I can't speak for others here, but even if you provided much > more detailed information about the performance characteristics of your web > app, I don't think I would be likely to be able to provide you an answer, > nor, honestly, particularly interested. > > Your web server can be tuned in various ways to make it faster at serving > static files. Your database server performance can be improved by tweaking > its cache settings, adding memory, analyzing your queries to see why they > might be slow, certainly adding indexes on columns that are searched, etc. > CakePHP can further cache your data, or even entire generated pages. As was > said, Facebook is so very large that it doesn't fit on a single server; it > uses thousands of them. If you're planning on approaching Facebook's size, > you'll want to think about how to scale out your size beyond a single server. > You can scale in several directions independently: more web servers, more PHP > servers, more database servers. While it's great to be able to add servers to > immediately increase your available processing power, you'll want to be > constantly analyzing your app to see where the bottlenecks are, so that you > can make improvements to those areas to make better use of the processing > power you have. > > All these are interesting topics, but probably the only ones that are > on-topic for this list are the ones that directly relate to CakePHP. For > example, if there is a query that CakePHP generated that you found is slowing > down your app, maybe someone here can help you find better parameters to pass > to CakePHP to make it generate a more-efficient query. Or if you have > questions about CakePHP's various caching mechanisms that aren't adequately > explained in the book, perhaps we can help with that. Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
On Dec 25, 2010, at 13:34, Ziki wrote: > No i will not have so many users like facebook, I will about 50 000 - > 500 000 users. But application will be similar in the concept like > facebook, with lot of ajax request end so on. So, ifa I have 10 000 > users logged in how strong server must be? I don't think anyone here can provide you with answers based on your brief overview. And I can't speak for others here, but even if you provided much more detailed information about the performance characteristics of your web app, I don't think I would be likely to be able to provide you an answer, nor, honestly, particularly interested. Your web server can be tuned in various ways to make it faster at serving static files. Your database server performance can be improved by tweaking its cache settings, adding memory, analyzing your queries to see why they might be slow, certainly adding indexes on columns that are searched, etc. CakePHP can further cache your data, or even entire generated pages. As was said, Facebook is so very large that it doesn't fit on a single server; it uses thousands of them. If you're planning on approaching Facebook's size, you'll want to think about how to scale out your size beyond a single server. You can scale in several directions independently: more web servers, more PHP servers, more database servers. While it's great to be able to add servers to immediately increase your available processing power, you'll want to be constantly analyzing your app to see where the bottlenecks are, so that you can make improvements to those areas to make better use of the processing power you have. All these are interesting topics, but probably the only ones that are on-topic for this list are the ones that directly relate to CakePHP. For example, if there is a query that CakePHP generated that you found is slowing down your app, maybe someone here can help you find better parameters to pass to CakePHP to make it generate a more-efficient query. Or if you have questions about CakePHP's various caching mechanisms that aren't adequately explained in the book, perhaps we can help with that. Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
No i will not have so many users like facebook, I will about 50 000 - 500 000 users. But application will be similar in the concept like facebook, with lot of ajax request end so on. So, ifa I have 10 000 users logged in how strong server must be? On 25 pro, 19:17, AD7six wrote: > Hi, > > On Dec 25, 4:16 pm, Ziki wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am developing one big applicaion, it will be similar to facebook, > > Tip: the above description is meaningless and if you're using that as > a project description ... well, good luck. > > > with lot of users in same time and lot of ajax requests and etc. you > > know how many queries cake generate. > > I do :). very few with a cold cache or 0 with 100% cache hits. > > > > > So, my question is, can CakePHP handle something like this with 10 000 > > logged users in same time? > > The framework you choose is obviously a factor when designing an app, > but given there have been numerous large-number-of-user apps built > with CakePHP the answer to that is: yes. > > > > > Will it be enough dedicated server with: > > > Intel® Core™ > > i7-980X > > Hexacore incl. > > Hyper-Threading Technology > > > 24 GB DDR3 RAM > > > 1x 1,5 TB SATA II > > 1x 300 GB SAS4-Port Hardware-RAID Controller imperative > > 1x 120 GB SSD > > Facebook has 250 million users, and has some 30K servers (reference > lmgtfy.com) let's say it's designed to work with 1% of them logged in > at once. For your app to succeed and be "like facebook" with 1 server, > means facebook is running only some 100s of servers. In other words > your description and question implies that facebook can run with only > 1% of the servers they NEED to run. > > So either your app needs to do 1% of what you're saying you want it to > do (which is extremely vague) or you need 100x more servers (and > obviously a team experienced in working with multi server apps). > > > > > or how many users it can handle with these configuration? > > If you're asking: 1. > > If you have better information, such as load and stress test data for > you app running on that server - I'd trust that better than my > estimate. But in the absense of such data, 1 is your "golden > number" ;) > > hth, > > AD Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
Hi, On Dec 25, 4:16 pm, Ziki wrote: > Hi, > I am developing one big applicaion, it will be similar to facebook, Tip: the above description is meaningless and if you're using that as a project description ... well, good luck. > with lot of users in same time and lot of ajax requests and etc. you > know how many queries cake generate. I do :). very few with a cold cache or 0 with 100% cache hits. > > So, my question is, can CakePHP handle something like this with 10 000 > logged users in same time? The framework you choose is obviously a factor when designing an app, but given there have been numerous large-number-of-user apps built with CakePHP the answer to that is: yes. > > Will it be enough dedicated server with: > > Intel® Core™ > i7-980X > Hexacore incl. > Hyper-Threading Technology > > 24 GB DDR3 RAM > > 1x 1,5 TB SATA II > 1x 300 GB SAS4-Port Hardware-RAID Controller imperative > 1x 120 GB SSD Facebook has 250 million users, and has some 30K servers (reference lmgtfy.com) let's say it's designed to work with 1% of them logged in at once. For your app to succeed and be "like facebook" with 1 server, means facebook is running only some 100s of servers. In other words your description and question implies that facebook can run with only 1% of the servers they NEED to run. So either your app needs to do 1% of what you're saying you want it to do (which is extremely vague) or you need 100x more servers (and obviously a team experienced in working with multi server apps). > > or how many users it can handle with these configuration? If you're asking: 1. If you have better information, such as load and stress test data for you app running on that server - I'd trust that better than my estimate. But in the absense of such data, 1 is your "golden number" ;) hth, AD Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Perfmance, large number of users and CakePHP
Hi, I am developing one big applicaion, it will be similar to facebook, with lot of users in same time and lot of ajax requests and etc. you know how many queries cake generate. So, my question is, can CakePHP handle something like this with 10 000 logged users in same time? Will it be enough dedicated server with: Intel® Core™ i7-980X Hexacore incl. Hyper-Threading Technology 24 GB DDR3 RAM 1x 1,5 TB SATA II 1x 300 GB SAS4-Port Hardware-RAID Controller imperative 1x 120 GB SSD or how many users it can handle with these configuration? Tnx Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
