Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
that is pretty much what the bakery is. On Apr 14, 6:23 am, xbase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we first develop our own wiki utilizing cake then start plugging in content to the wiki afterwords? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
One of your points is that information is quickly out of date - I totally agree, and I think with that in mind on the bakery there should be some element of editorial control and natural churn on articles. For example, how many recent articles are still using $html-input? Maybe when 1.2 is more advanced, say beta, start taking these articles out. I'm not saying destroy them, but maybe a process of updating the methods used to show 1.2 functionality. Either that, or maybe a simpler way would be to check is version 1.2 and put a This article has been depricated in bright red at the top. Either way, it let's noobs know the article is no longer valid. Tane On 4/12/07, John David Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:04 PM, savagekabbage wrote: Yes, that's exactly why it was taken down. However, while CakePHP has a lot of documentation on the web, the API, and the forums... Most of it is too hard to grasp or too steep for newbies to handle. There are countless newbies who have/have had trouble learning the framework (including myself) and I believe this will be a good resource for future CakePHP prospects. I don't see how a wiki can be any less organized or correct than a Google group, so I'm going to move forward with this. savagekabbage, I've had the most first-hand experience with this, so let me chime in. First, I want to stress one thing - any non-official documentation effort only makes it harder for newbs to get up and running. The very best thing you can do, is come talk to me to see how we can beef up the current, official docs. We love bloggers. We love forum posters. We love any good press, but if you want your work to have the most positive impact, get your words in the official docs. That's where people are going to look first. That's where we'll want them to look first. Secondly, the Bakery is already filling the role of the old and (thankfully) dead CakePHP Wiki. There were a number of problems that we realized after using a wiki: 1. Information becomes outdated quickly, and becomes a source of misinformation quickly 2. Well meaning folks writing incorrect information was happening too much 3. There was no way to consistently tell what version of Cake a given piece of content was for. 4. Wikis grow organically and are not often well organized unless vigilantly moderated and pruned I won't disagree that there were some great articles. But those articles can now be housed in the Bakery. We can approve and maintain an extremely high level of quality there. Its a win for everyone - the community can contribute, and we can forestall and possible misinformation. I should also add that this google group is not a documentation effort, it is a support effort, which has a different aim. Thirdly, we'd ask that you do not use the CakePHP logo on your site like you have it now - it makes it appear that the site is official, which will cause confusion. I think we're all after the same thing here - is there a reason you'd rather not help to work and strengthen the official documentation instead? Regards, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
On 4/13/07, digital spaghetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, how many recent articles are still using $html-input? Maybe when 1.2 is more advanced, say beta, start taking these articles The applicable version is shown in the sidebar so I guess it is not so much of an issue... We can even have a new TLA for people who whine that article xyz does not work CFV!!! (Check *F...* Version ;) ) Cheers Tarique P.S. I think Cake 1.1 will be around for sometime even after 1.2 final... -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog needs you!: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
Why don't we first develop our own wiki utilizing cake then start plugging in content to the wiki afterwords? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
On 4/12/07, savagekabbage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to attempt to create user-friendly documentation for developers who are new to CakePHP. I think a resource like this would be a great help for new developers, and it's a shame they took down the old wiki. If I remember correctly, the wiki was taken down because it was full of junk, and a lot of incorrect junk at that. -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: Just build it, damnit! @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
Yes, that's exactly why it was taken down. However, while CakePHP has a lot of documentation on the web, the API, and the forums... Most of it is too hard to grasp or too steep for newbies to handle. There are countless newbies who have/have had trouble learning the framework (including myself) and I believe this will be a good resource for future CakePHP prospects. I don't see how a wiki can be any less organized or correct than a Google group, so I'm going to move forward with this. On Apr 12, 4:52 pm, Chris Hartjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/12/07, savagekabbage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to attempt to create user-friendly documentation for developers who are new to CakePHP. I think a resource like this would be a great help for new developers, and it's a shame they took down the old wiki. If I remember correctly, the wiki was taken down because it was full of junk, and a lot of incorrect junk at that. -- Chris Hartjes My motto for 2007: Just build it, damnit! @TheBallpark -http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard -http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating a support wiki for CakePHP, any interest?
On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:04 PM, savagekabbage wrote: Yes, that's exactly why it was taken down. However, while CakePHP has a lot of documentation on the web, the API, and the forums... Most of it is too hard to grasp or too steep for newbies to handle. There are countless newbies who have/have had trouble learning the framework (including myself) and I believe this will be a good resource for future CakePHP prospects. I don't see how a wiki can be any less organized or correct than a Google group, so I'm going to move forward with this. savagekabbage, I've had the most first-hand experience with this, so let me chime in. First, I want to stress one thing - any non-official documentation effort only makes it harder for newbs to get up and running. The very best thing you can do, is come talk to me to see how we can beef up the current, official docs. We love bloggers. We love forum posters. We love any good press, but if you want your work to have the most positive impact, get your words in the official docs. That's where people are going to look first. That's where we'll want them to look first. Secondly, the Bakery is already filling the role of the old and (thankfully) dead CakePHP Wiki. There were a number of problems that we realized after using a wiki: 1. Information becomes outdated quickly, and becomes a source of misinformation quickly 2. Well meaning folks writing incorrect information was happening too much 3. There was no way to consistently tell what version of Cake a given piece of content was for. 4. Wikis grow organically and are not often well organized unless vigilantly moderated and pruned I won't disagree that there were some great articles. But those articles can now be housed in the Bakery. We can approve and maintain an extremely high level of quality there. Its a win for everyone - the community can contribute, and we can forestall and possible misinformation. I should also add that this google group is not a documentation effort, it is a support effort, which has a different aim. Thirdly, we'd ask that you do not use the CakePHP logo on your site like you have it now - it makes it appear that the site is official, which will cause confusion. I think we're all after the same thing here - is there a reason you'd rather not help to work and strengthen the official documentation instead? Regards, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
