Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
In a few months, with this rate of progress, even if a stable release has not been declared, I would say there would be no question, go with 1.3. A few months ago, I would have also said there would be no question, stay with 1.2. We are in a somewhat gray period right now, for the next little while, in my opinion. The main reasons for not adopting 1.3 just yet might be: 1. lack of 1.3 specific documentation (as mentioned) 2. less plugins/components, etc. which work with 1.3 3. less community support (most are still on 1.2) 3. perhaps a few more bugs than a stable app 4. there is always a chance in the open source world, however remote, that any project regardless of size or reputation may not make it to the finish line for any number of reasons. (eg. Mambo went from being an OpenSource award winner to a total failure and inabilty to deliver the next Mambo v5 release). I'm not saying (or even hinting) this will happen to cakePHP, and I am banking on it not happening, but I'm not sure I would want to be holding 1.3 just yet, given that the super 1.2 release is just so solid. On the other hand, the main reasons for adopting 1.3 might be: 1. you will really be helped by the new features. 2. you are comfortable enough in cake , that you can plow through the lack of documentation issue and still get things done 3. cake 1.3 is being used in many production apps already, so is practically pretty stable already. I don't think there is really a bad decision either way, but alot will depend on your specific situation. YMMV. On Mar 12, 4:08 am, jacmoe jac...@mail.dk wrote: I am not so sure.. Cake 1.3 is really great, and I use it myself. But: most of - well, almost all of it, actually - the tutorials/hints/ information/blogposts are about Cake 1.2. I am having a really hard time finding Cake 1.3 specific stuff. I wouldn't have stood a chance if I were to start off with Cakephp 1.3 as a newbie right now. That's going to change, of course, once Cake 1.3 becomes stable. That said, if you are not using any Ajax or fancy stuff, you can start off with Cake 1.3 - but know that you need to translate most of your Google results from 1.2 to 1.3 - the migration guide is actually quite good. Your choice - but don't say I didn't warn you. :) On Mar 12, 2:50 am, nurvzy nur...@gmail.com wrote: I recommend using 1.3 for any new project if for no other reason but the new and improved bake. 1.3 bake will make your life development easier -- I promise. I've been using it since it was in alpha. I have since converted all my client's sites to 1.3 and have had zero issues. The new features are great! Hope that helps, Nick On Mar 11, 5:00 pm, jonathan jlspecto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just a general question on which version would be best to start a new project with - 1.2 or jump right over to 1.3? Over the past 4 years or so, I have created some pretty large enterprise systems in 1.1 and they are humming along nicely. I'll be starting some new stuff soon, so I'd like to get into the new versions rather than remain old school. In all honesty, 1.1 was a pleasure to work with and I'm really looking forward to seeing all that I've been missing. Thank you for your input and my undying gratitude to any and all who help CakePHP be all that it is. Sincerely, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
Thanks guys! I am certainly not a CakePHP newbie, but would be venturing into uncharted territory with either 1.2 or 1.3. We have a strong yea and a qualified maybe for 1.3. Any tie breakers want to weigh in ;) In the mean time, I will check out the 1.3 Bake that nurvzy speaks so highly of, as well as the 1.3 migration guide. I use tons of AJAX and fancy stuff so jacmoe has me hesitant to jump right in the 1.3 pool. Warning duly noted... All the best, folks, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
I upgraded a commercial application from 1.2 to 1.3 in about half an hour with no problems at all, and so far it's very solid. I have had a few problems getting some new Ajax stuff working, but that's about it. I'd say adopt 1.3 now. Jeremy Burns jeremybu...@me.com On 12 Mar 2010, at 09:05, jonathan wrote: Thanks guys! I am certainly not a CakePHP newbie, but would be venturing into uncharted territory with either 1.2 or 1.3. We have a strong yea and a qualified maybe for 1.3. Any tie breakers want to weigh in ;) In the mean time, I will check out the 1.3 Bake that nurvzy speaks so highly of, as well as the 1.3 migration guide. I use tons of AJAX and fancy stuff so jacmoe has me hesitant to jump right in the 1.3 pool. Warning duly noted... All the best, folks, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
Hey Keymaster - just missed your post. Your input is greatly appreciated. Being in this gray period is my dilemma exactly. I'll check out the new features of 1.3 and see if any of them are must haves. I've been totally satisfied and have achieved all goals with 1.1, so I imagine moving to either of the new versions will be a magical adventure. I really don't have time or budget to tinker, so perhaps 1.2 is the way to go. Like you said, I really can't lose too badly either way - just have to weigh the trade offs you mentioned and see where I end up. I'll probably be asking the same thing next year between 1.3 and 2.0 :) I hope! All the best, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
I am currently upgrading from 1.2 to 1.3, and it is a smooth process. So don't worry: you can start off with 1.2 and rest assured that upgrading isn't going to mean that you need to rewrite a lot. :) I think I changed 5% of my code, maybe 10% (tops). On Mar 12, 10:17 am, jonathan jlspecto...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Keymaster - just missed your post. Your input is greatly appreciated. Being in this gray period is my dilemma exactly. I'll check out the new features of 1.3 and see if any of them are must haves. I've been totally satisfied and have achieved all goals with 1.1, so I imagine moving to either of the new versions will be a magical adventure. I really don't have time or budget to tinker, so perhaps 1.2 is the way to go. Like you said, I really can't lose too badly either way - just have to weigh the trade offs you mentioned and see where I end up. I'll probably be asking the same thing next year between 1.3 and 2.0 :) I hope! All the best, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
Shoot - it's getting pretty busy around these parts at the 3:00a CT hour! Jeremy, thanks for weighing in - I use Prototype for all my AJAX stuff. Were you having trouble with that? Or something specific to Cake? I use AJAX extensively in just about everything I do so if that's going to be a sore spot, I will have to seriously consider this issue. Was it something easily fixed? The waters are getting muddy - with icing :) Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
To be fair - it could be me (it usually is!). I am far from the world's leading expert on all things Ajax. I loaded up the latest Prototype and Scriptaculous and was getting Heck - I don't recognise that function type errors from within the libraries. I haven't spent time solving them yet, but - to repeat - it's probably me being dumb. Jeremy Burns jeremybu...@me.com On 12 Mar 2010, at 09:22, jonathan wrote: Shoot - it's getting pretty busy around these parts at the 3:00a CT hour! Jeremy, thanks for weighing in - I use Prototype for all my AJAX stuff. Were you having trouble with that? Or something specific to Cake? I use AJAX extensively in just about everything I do so if that's going to be a sore spot, I will have to seriously consider this issue. Was it something easily fixed? The waters are getting muddy - with icing :) Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
I recommend using 1.3 for any new project if for no other reason but the new and improved bake. 1.3 bake will make your life development easier -- I promise. I've been using it since it was in alpha. I have since converted all my client's sites to 1.3 and have had zero issues. The new features are great! Hope that helps, Nick On Mar 11, 5:00 pm, jonathan jlspecto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just a general question on which version would be best to start a new project with - 1.2 or jump right over to 1.3? Over the past 4 years or so, I have created some pretty large enterprise systems in 1.1 and they are humming along nicely. I'll be starting some new stuff soon, so I'd like to get into the new versions rather than remain old school. In all honesty, 1.1 was a pleasure to work with and I'm really looking forward to seeing all that I've been missing. Thank you for your input and my undying gratitude to any and all who help CakePHP be all that it is. Sincerely, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Start with 1.2 or 1.3?
I am not so sure.. Cake 1.3 is really great, and I use it myself. But: most of - well, almost all of it, actually - the tutorials/hints/ information/blogposts are about Cake 1.2. I am having a really hard time finding Cake 1.3 specific stuff. I wouldn't have stood a chance if I were to start off with Cakephp 1.3 as a newbie right now. That's going to change, of course, once Cake 1.3 becomes stable. That said, if you are not using any Ajax or fancy stuff, you can start off with Cake 1.3 - but know that you need to translate most of your Google results from 1.2 to 1.3 - the migration guide is actually quite good. Your choice - but don't say I didn't warn you. :) On Mar 12, 2:50 am, nurvzy nur...@gmail.com wrote: I recommend using 1.3 for any new project if for no other reason but the new and improved bake. 1.3 bake will make your life development easier -- I promise. I've been using it since it was in alpha. I have since converted all my client's sites to 1.3 and have had zero issues. The new features are great! Hope that helps, Nick On Mar 11, 5:00 pm, jonathan jlspecto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just a general question on which version would be best to start a new project with - 1.2 or jump right over to 1.3? Over the past 4 years or so, I have created some pretty large enterprise systems in 1.1 and they are humming along nicely. I'll be starting some new stuff soon, so I'd like to get into the new versions rather than remain old school. In all honesty, 1.1 was a pleasure to work with and I'm really looking forward to seeing all that I've been missing. Thank you for your input and my undying gratitude to any and all who help CakePHP be all that it is. Sincerely, Jonathan Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
