Re: Users name / changes
On 3 February 2011 21:28, Dave Maharaj m...@davemaharaj.com wrote: In the real world, you can't cross the name of your drivers license because you want to be called a different name today. Unless of course you change your own name using say a deed poll. It may be unpleasant for users to be messaging Jane Doe to realize that person is now John Doe, but this may actually happen in real life as well, you just place something into your website so that user is not lost forever. I.e. Message History or Friends, and look up records by primary key. My 2 cents. -- Kind Regards Stephen @ NinjaCoderMonkey www.ninjacodermonkey.co.uk -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
Apologies on the double post, but you could also allow users to request a name change and have a vetting process, it requires more moderation but if you want to be in control - this may be the best option. -- Kind Regards Stephen @ NinjaCoderMonkey www.ninjacodermonkey.co.uk -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Ryan Schmidt google-2...@ryandesign.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 22:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember FWIW, I hate sites that require me to use an email address as a username, because I have an infinite number of email addresses available to me via the catch-all rule at my domain name, and I can never remember which email address I used to register at any particular site. Plea to all site designers: Allow me to pick a username that I can remember. If you have a catch-all rule, just incorporate the site name into the email address you use. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
On Feb 4, 2011, at 10:46, cricket wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: FWIW, I hate sites that require me to use an email address as a username, because I have an infinite number of email addresses available to me via the catch-all rule at my domain name, and I can never remember which email address I used to register at any particular site. Plea to all site designers: Allow me to pick a username that I can remember. If you have a catch-all rule, just incorporate the site name into the email address you use. We're getting off-topic now, but: * I do * I also usually include the year in the address; if it's been years since I've registered with a site, there is often lots of guessing involved in finding the right year, though I try to keep my address updated, on sites that let me change it * Some sites do not allow you to use their name in your email address I see this problem with non-techie people too; whenever my step-mother needs to log into a site, I see her struggling for several minutes to try different combinations of email addresses and passwords. She too has multiple email addresses; not as many as me, and not really by choice. I suppose I should be advocating for the use of single-signon systems. Of course, until *every* site a user visits makes use of the *same* single-signon system, it doesn't solve the problem. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
RE: Users name / changes
Off topic correct. But what caught my eye is multiple email address are hard to remember. Your saying that you use 1 username across the board for every site your registered to? If that username is taken you just say ohh well im not signing up if I end up with a different username? An email I unique ...can only be 1. 100 million sites have dave_m as a username already registered so I get stuck with dave_m_12342 on this site and dave_m_330 on another is that really easier than remembering 1 email address? Sure I have 3 or 4 emails for sites but I know that the address is limited to my use only in the whole world. Forget my password its mailed to me / reset whatnot...forget my username? was it dave_456 or mr_dave_or endless combinations of something I was forced to use or create on the spot? Sure someone is going to reply I have 5 or 6 usernames as standard I use so that's just the same as 5 or 6 emails. Where a username I'm sure is used repeatedly by different user hundreds / thousand / million times thru out the web how is that easier. So yes everyone has multiple usernames and multiple email address for the sites they register to depending on what each site uses during registration, but you can't tell me that remembering your own email address is harder than remembering a username. But I do agree if there was a standard it would make things easier but my guess is with everysite having its own way of doing things getting everyone to agree would be another never ending topic : Cheers all. -Original Message- From: Ryan Schmidt [mailto:google-2...@ryandesign.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 6:25 PM To: cake-php@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Users name / changes On Feb 4, 2011, at 10:46, cricket wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: FWIW, I hate sites that require me to use an email address as a username, because I have an infinite number of email addresses available to me via the catch-all rule at my domain name, and I can never remember which email address I used to register at any particular site. Plea to all site designers: Allow me to pick a username that I can remember. If you have a catch-all rule, just incorporate the site name into the email address you use. We're getting off-topic now, but: * I do * I also usually include the year in the address; if it's been years since I've registered with a site, there is often lots of guessing involved in finding the right year, though I try to keep my address updated, on sites that let me change it * Some sites do not allow you to use their name in your email address I see this problem with non-techie people too; whenever my step-mother needs to log into a site, I see her struggling for several minutes to try different combinations of email addresses and passwords. She too has multiple email addresses; not as many as me, and not really by choice. I suppose I should be advocating for the use of single-signon systems. Of course, until *every* site a user visits makes use of the *same* single-signon system, it doesn't solve the problem. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
On Feb 4, 2011, at 17:47, Dave Maharaj wrote: Your saying that you use 1 username across the board for every site your registered to? If that username is taken you just say ohh well im not signing up if I end up with a different username? Honestly, it hasn't been a problem for me. I think in the past decade, I've only encountered one site where my username was already in use. but you can't tell me that remembering your own email address is harder than remembering a username. I can and I did, but YMMV. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
On Feb 2, 2011, at 22:57, Dave Maharaj wrote: Or a better example would be a teacher logs in to mark tests for the class only to see every student has changed their name to Ben Dover :) Who is who then? Figure out each student by UUID would be a nightmare with 100 students in the class. In this particular example (a teacher managing a class of students young enough to still find such name changes amusing), I would assume that only the teacher has the ability to change a student's name in the database, but that the teacher would not be restricted in the number of times they can do so (for the reasons mentioned previously in the thread). -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
On Feb 2, 2011, at 22:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember FWIW, I hate sites that require me to use an email address as a username, because I have an infinite number of email addresses available to me via the catch-all rule at my domain name, and I can never remember which email address I used to register at any particular site. Plea to all site designers: Allow me to pick a username that I can remember. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
Let them allow changes. I hate Facebooks restriction on name changes. Why should the site owners dictate how a user wants to be known? On Feb 3, 12:14 pm, Ryan Schmidt google-2...@ryandesign.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 22:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember FWIW, I hate sites that require me to use an email address as a username, because I have an infinite number of email addresses available to me via the catch-all rule at my domain name, and I can never remember which email address I used to register at any particular site. Plea to all site designers: Allow me to pick a username that I can remember. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
RE: Users name / changes
I guess it's just personal preference. In the real world, you can't cross the name of your drivers license because you want to be called a different name today. Marrage / divorce are a few exceptions. There are lots of sites that restrict name changes and it's to benefit the end users or the overall site, not the individual. 100 Users save 1 Profile (Jack Jones), they can search Jack Jones and find him every time 100 happy Users. They send a message to Jack , Jack responds back, since that’s who they would be expecting a response from. Jack cannot change his name more than x times, Jack might not be happy but 100 happy users vs 1 forced to use the name they have? How can that be bad? This particular site, the only reference users have with each other is their names. No friends, they do not know each other all they have is firstname lastname to go on. If a user is found, know, seen by 1 name then that’s what you would expect everytime. Anyways we can just end this here as it can just go on forever. Thanks for the feedback guys. Dave -Original Message- From: Miles J [mailto:mileswjohn...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 5:05 PM To: CakePHP Subject: Re: Users name / changes Let them allow changes. I hate Facebooks restriction on name changes. Why should the site owners dictate how a user wants to be known? On Feb 3, 12:14 pm, Ryan Schmidt google-2...@ryandesign.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 22:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember FWIW, I hate sites that require me to use an email address as a username, because I have an infinite number of email addresses available to me via the catch-all rule at my domain name, and I can never remember which email address I used to register at any particular site. Plea to all site designers: Allow me to pick a username that I can remember. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
I would always let people change their names - I mean, why wouldn't you? Women change their surname on marriage anyway and it is not impossible that a first name can change too. Jonathan might decide he now wants to be referred to as Jon. Jon then becomes Jane - it happens. I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember, is generally unique (or ought to be) and can be validated. I let users change that too because people move providers/employers and so on. I see no decide in letting people change their names. The thing you don't want to change is the id. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 2 Feb 2011, at 21:49, Dave Maharaj wrote: What are your thoughts on allowing Users to change their names? Talking about real names, not username. f_name = John l_name = Smith name_lock = bool , unlocked by default, upon edit of either field (f_name, l_name) name_lock = true; no more edits after that Really one should know their name well enough that a mistake should not be made. I was thinking allow a 1 time change if you can't spell your name correctly after that well them I am surprised you figured how to turn the computer on in the first place. Basic Site : Users name appears on thier profile, that's all. But there are people out there who would constantly change their names to foolishness and there is simply no man power to watch these changes constantly. Am I being too hard? Thoughts? Suggestions Thanks, Dave -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Users name / changes
Decide? I meant downside. ^^ Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 3 Feb 2011, at 04:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I would always let people change their names - I mean, why wouldn't you? Women change their surname on marriage anyway and it is not impossible that a first name can change too. Jonathan might decide he now wants to be referred to as Jon. Jon then becomes Jane - it happens. I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember, is generally unique (or ought to be) and can be validated. I let users change that too because people move providers/employers and so on. I see no decide in letting people change their names. The thing you don't want to change is the id. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 2 Feb 2011, at 21:49, Dave Maharaj wrote: What are your thoughts on allowing Users to change their names? Talking about real names, not username. f_name = John l_name = Smith name_lock = bool , unlocked by default, upon edit of either field (f_name, l_name) name_lock = true; no more edits after that Really one should know their name well enough that a mistake should not be made. I was thinking allow a 1 time change if you can't spell your name correctly after that well them I am surprised you figured how to turn the computer on in the first place. Basic Site : Users name appears on thier profile, that's all. But there are people out there who would constantly change their names to foolishness and there is simply no man power to watch these changes constantly. Am I being too hard? Thoughts? Suggestions Thanks, Dave -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
RE: Users name / changes
I understand about the marriage name change issue. My concern comes from a say for example users can send messages to each other. One day message from Jim Hill comes thru as Jim Hill, next day it comes thru as Jeff Masterssame person who changed their name, all along your waiting for a response from Jim Hill. Or you view a profile where the name is Tiffany Banks, next day do a search for Tiffany Banks only to find zero result because she changed her name to Jill Banks. I know a lot of this falls on the end user, but a bad experience for an end users is also bad for the site overall no? I guess depending on the site / circumstances it can be beneficial either way. I guess in my case where the name used is displayed to the users with their interaction saving a favorite post by Jim means when you login in tomorrow your favorite post author will still say Jim not Jimmy and day after it could by James. Dave -Original Message- From: Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit [mailto:jeremybu...@classoutfit.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:43 AM To: cake-php@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Users name / changes Decide? I meant downside. ^^ Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 3 Feb 2011, at 04:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I would always let people change their names - I mean, why wouldn't you? Women change their surname on marriage anyway and it is not impossible that a first name can change too. Jonathan might decide he now wants to be referred to as Jon. Jon then becomes Jane - it happens. I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember, is generally unique (or ought to be) and can be validated. I let users change that too because people move providers/employers and so on. I see no decide in letting people change their names. The thing you don't want to change is the id. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 2 Feb 2011, at 21:49, Dave Maharaj wrote: What are your thoughts on allowing Users to change their names? Talking about real names, not username. f_name = John l_name = Smith name_lock = bool , unlocked by default, upon edit of either field (f_name, l_name) name_lock = true; no more edits after that Really one should know their name well enough that a mistake should not be made. I was thinking allow a 1 time change if you can't spell your name correctly after that well them I am surprised you figured how to turn the computer on in the first place. Basic Site : Users name appears on thier profile, that's all. But there are people out there who would constantly change their names to foolishness and there is simply no man power to watch these changes constantly. Am I being too hard? Thoughts? Suggestions Thanks, Dave -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
RE: Users name / changes
Or a better example would be a teacher logs in to mark tests for the class only to see every student has changed their name to Ben Dover :) Who is who then? Figure out each student by UUID would be a nightmare with 100 students in the class. Restricting name changes would be beneficial but like I said it has to be taken into the overall individual site, per basis and not as an overall golden rule. I might edit the names / lock based on time period but if your getting married more than say once a year I think not being able to edit your name on the site would be the least of that persons issues :) -Original Message- From: Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit [mailto:jeremybu...@classoutfit.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:43 AM To: cake-php@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Users name / changes Decide? I meant downside. ^^ Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 3 Feb 2011, at 04:06, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: I would always let people change their names - I mean, why wouldn't you? Women change their surname on marriage anyway and it is not impossible that a first name can change too. Jonathan might decide he now wants to be referred to as Jon. Jon then becomes Jane - it happens. I usually make a username an email address because it is a no brainer for the user to come up with and remember, is generally unique (or ought to be) and can be validated. I let users change that too because people move providers/employers and so on. I see no decide in letting people change their names. The thing you don't want to change is the id. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 2 Feb 2011, at 21:49, Dave Maharaj wrote: What are your thoughts on allowing Users to change their names? Talking about real names, not username. f_name = John l_name = Smith name_lock = bool , unlocked by default, upon edit of either field (f_name, l_name) name_lock = true; no more edits after that Really one should know their name well enough that a mistake should not be made. I was thinking allow a 1 time change if you can't spell your name correctly after that well them I am surprised you figured how to turn the computer on in the first place. Basic Site : Users name appears on thier profile, that's all. But there are people out there who would constantly change their names to foolishness and there is simply no man power to watch these changes constantly. Am I being too hard? Thoughts? Suggestions Thanks, Dave -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
