Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
Chris' tutorials are definitely still relevant. In case you haven't seen it yet, I have created a sample website with downloadable source code, which demonstrates the integration of Auth and ACL in a CakePHP project: http://aranworld.com/article/170/cakephp-acl-and-auth-sample-website This should hopefully also clarify the various roles that Auth and ACL play in protecting a website access: http://aranworld.com/article/164/cakephp-acl-tutorial-auth-component-example On May 28, 11:55 am, "Dardo Sordi Bogado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I assumed it already had some methods and attributes. Good to know > > that I can freely edit AppModel and AppController. > > Yes App(Model|Controller|Helper) are well defined points of extension, > cake is amazing. > > > On May 28, 1:54 pm, "Dardo Sordi Bogado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Have a look at the CakePHP AppController, it is in > >> cake/libs/controller/app_controller.php: > > >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > You mention putting putting the auth component in app_controller.php. > >> > From the manual, "The AppController class can be defined in /app/ > >> > app_controller.php and it should contain methods that are shared > >> > between all of your application's controllers. It extends the > >> > Controller class which is a standard CakePHP library." How do I > >> > configure AppController without removing existing functionality? My > >> > PHP OOP is rusty. > > >> > On May 28, 1:25 pm, "Chris Hartjes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> > I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well > >> >> > aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In > >> >> > any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I > >> >> > expect it to work with recent nightlies? > > >> >> Yes, it should be fine as the Auth component hasn't really changed > >> >> much since I wrote it. > > >> >> -- > >> >> Chris Hartjes > >> >> Internet Loudmouth > >> >> Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..." > >> >> @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
> I assumed it already had some methods and attributes. Good to know > that I can freely edit AppModel and AppController. Yes App(Model|Controller|Helper) are well defined points of extension, cake is amazing. > On May 28, 1:54 pm, "Dardo Sordi Bogado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Have a look at the CakePHP AppController, it is in >> cake/libs/controller/app_controller.php: >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > You mention putting putting the auth component in app_controller.php. >> > From the manual, "The AppController class can be defined in /app/ >> > app_controller.php and it should contain methods that are shared >> > between all of your application's controllers. It extends the >> > Controller class which is a standard CakePHP library." How do I >> > configure AppController without removing existing functionality? My >> > PHP OOP is rusty. >> >> > On May 28, 1:25 pm, "Chris Hartjes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> > I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well >> >> > aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In >> >> > any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I >> >> > expect it to work with recent nightlies? >> >> >> Yes, it should be fine as the Auth component hasn't really changed >> >> much since I wrote it. >> >> >> -- >> >> Chris Hartjes >> >> Internet Loudmouth >> >> Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..." >> >> @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
Have a look at the CakePHP AppController, it is in cake/libs/controller/app_controller.php: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mention putting putting the auth component in app_controller.php. > From the manual, "The AppController class can be defined in /app/ > app_controller.php and it should contain methods that are shared > between all of your application's controllers. It extends the > Controller class which is a standard CakePHP library." How do I > configure AppController without removing existing functionality? My > PHP OOP is rusty. > > On May 28, 1:25 pm, "Chris Hartjes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well >> > aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In >> > any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I >> > expect it to work with recent nightlies? >> >> Yes, it should be fine as the Auth component hasn't really changed >> much since I wrote it. >> >> -- >> Chris Hartjes >> Internet Loudmouth >> Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..." >> @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
I assumed it already had some methods and attributes. Good to know that I can freely edit AppModel and AppController. On May 28, 1:54 pm, "Dardo Sordi Bogado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have a look at the CakePHP AppController, it is in > cake/libs/controller/app_controller.php: > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You mention putting putting the auth component in app_controller.php. > > From the manual, "The AppController class can be defined in /app/ > > app_controller.php and it should contain methods that are shared > > between all of your application's controllers. It extends the > > Controller class which is a standard CakePHP library." How do I > > configure AppController without removing existing functionality? My > > PHP OOP is rusty. > > > On May 28, 1:25 pm, "Chris Hartjes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well > >> > aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In > >> > any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I > >> > expect it to work with recent nightlies? > > >> Yes, it should be fine as the Auth component hasn't really changed > >> much since I wrote it. > > >> -- > >> Chris Hartjes > >> Internet Loudmouth > >> Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..." > >> @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
You mention putting putting the auth component in app_controller.php. From the manual, "The AppController class can be defined in /app/ app_controller.php and it should contain methods that are shared between all of your application’s controllers. It extends the Controller class which is a standard CakePHP library." How do I configure AppController without removing existing functionality? My PHP OOP is rusty. On May 28, 1:25 pm, "Chris Hartjes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well > > aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In > > any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I > > expect it to work with recent nightlies? > > Yes, it should be fine as the Auth component hasn't really changed > much since I wrote it. > > -- > Chris Hartjes > Internet Loudmouth > Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..." > @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well > aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In > any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I > expect it to work with recent nightlies? > Yes, it should be fine as the Auth component hasn't really changed much since I wrote it. -- Chris Hartjes Internet Loudmouth Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..." @TheKeyBoard: http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
I'm sorry, but "duh." I wasn't leveling any criticism, and I'm well aware that the two are separate.I must have made myself unclear. In any case, I'll take a look at Chris' tutorial. It's a bit old, can I expect it to work with recent nightlies? On May 28, 1:13 pm, John David Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 28, 2008, at 10:57 AM, 703designs wrote: > > > > > > > I'm working with Cake right now, and I thought that ACL was my answer > > to this question, but it seems that Cake's ACL (ACL in general, I > > suppose) only deals with roles, etc: > > > "It should be noted that ACL is *not* a system that is meant to > > authenticate users. You should already have a way to store user > > information and be able to verify that user's identity when they enter > > the system." > > > Well, this is all good and well, but the user authentication systems I > > develop, while being functional, leave quite a bit to be desired, and > > I really wouldn't trust them beyond the limited purposes for which > > I've deployed them. To put it simply, I expect that a framework like > > this one would make developing a sane user authentication system a bit > > easier for a developer like myself. > > ACL != Auth. It's *related* to authentication, but so is the > FormHelper. The criticism you're leveling here doesn't quite make sense. > > In any case, I might check out the AuthComponent (which works well > with the ACL stuff). Chris' tute should be a good starting point. > > -- John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Recommended User Authentication setup?
On May 28, 2008, at 10:57 AM, 703designs wrote: > > I'm working with Cake right now, and I thought that ACL was my answer > to this question, but it seems that Cake's ACL (ACL in general, I > suppose) only deals with roles, etc: > > "It should be noted that ACL is *not* a system that is meant to > authenticate users. You should already have a way to store user > information and be able to verify that user's identity when they enter > the system." > > Well, this is all good and well, but the user authentication systems I > develop, while being functional, leave quite a bit to be desired, and > I really wouldn't trust them beyond the limited purposes for which > I've deployed them. To put it simply, I expect that a framework like > this one would make developing a sane user authentication system a bit > easier for a developer like myself. ACL != Auth. It's *related* to authentication, but so is the FormHelper. The criticism you're leveling here doesn't quite make sense. In any case, I might check out the AuthComponent (which works well with the ACL stuff). Chris' tute should be a good starting point. -- John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Recommended User Authentication setup?
I'm working with Cake right now, and I thought that ACL was my answer to this question, but it seems that Cake's ACL (ACL in general, I suppose) only deals with roles, etc: "It should be noted that ACL is *not* a system that is meant to authenticate users. You should already have a way to store user information and be able to verify that user's identity when they enter the system." Well, this is all good and well, but the user authentication systems I develop, while being functional, leave quite a bit to be desired, and I really wouldn't trust them beyond the limited purposes for which I've deployed them. To put it simply, I expect that a framework like this one would make developing a sane user authentication system a bit easier for a developer like myself. So, how should I go about developing a user authentication system in Cake? Are these links the best starting point: * http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard/2007/09/11/a-hopefully-useful-tutorial-for-using-cakephps-auth-component/ * http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php/browse_thread/thread/871ff4c536bc1e00 Or should I look elsewhere? A search of "user authentication" under Code in the Bakery returns nothing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
