Re: Why use .po files (was: Re: Discussion Question)
Your js translation is a good point. Especially if you want to show for SEO in other countries. I would need to investigate that a bit further. But with it being from Google I might guess that if it doesn't now, that it would eventually be fine for SEO. And I'm not looking at Google Translate as anything but a possible way to make the tedious job of translation more efficient. I think you put the purity of hand written translation ahead of practical usage. In depth translation might be great if you have people willing and/or able to do it, but if you don't then finding another solution is not a bad idea either. (and note : you do get to control the translations if I remember right) -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Why use .po files (was: Re: Discussion Question)
On Oct 27, 6:24 pm, zuha wrote: > What I'm talking about is this : http://translate.google.com/translate_tools > > And that does allow you to have specific translations for specific pages > and/or websites, but also will automatically translate using a world wide > translation system. (In other words it takes advantage of a social > database of translations which get better as more people use it.) If you're happy that your translated content is purely in js, and your site is completely invisible in translated languages - by all means. > > So scalability wise - you can translate your app into 50 different > languages immediately and then have it improved upon at anytime by any > visitor to your site because they can contribute a better translation at > the click of a button. That's fine if your site is community driven, not so if you need control over the translations. I think you're looking at google translate like it's a golden bee-bee, it's not. It's a means of making pages on the web that you can't understand understandable. It's not an appropriate means of having a site you can say is multilingual. In summary: Google translate is a user tool, it's not a web- development tool. AD -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Why use .po files (was: Re: Discussion Question)
What I'm talking about is this : http://translate.google.com/translate_tools And that does allow you to have specific translations for specific pages and/or websites, but also will automatically translate using a world wide translation system. (In other words it takes advantage of a social database of translations which get better as more people use it.) So scalability wise - you can translate your app into 50 different languages immediately and then have it improved upon at anytime by any visitor to your site because they can contribute a better translation at the click of a button. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Why use .po files (was: Re: Discussion Question)
POT files are used by the gettext module, which is pretty much the primary globalization system in PHP. On Oct 26, 4:31 pm, Ryan Schmidt wrote: > On Oct 26, 2011, at 09:02, zuha wrote: > > > Okay just have a question I've been curious about for awhile. What is the > > benefit of .pot files instead of say using Google Translate? I'm also > > curious as to whether removing the 1000's of __() functions would have any > > performance upgrade in that case. > > Are you talking abouthttp://translate.google.com/? Where users can go to view > automatic translations of web sites? Surely that's not what you're > advocating. Developers should provide web sites with translations that have > been vetted by someone who understands the language, and should not rely on > users to seek out automatic translation services. > > Or do you mean some other Google service for web site developers to translate > their sites? If so I'm not familiar with it. But one answer for why one would > use .po files instead of such a service is that .po files were around long > before web services (and long before the web itself). If you think using a > web service would work better for you, then by all means use it. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: Why use .po files (was: Re: Discussion Question)
On Oct 26, 2011, at 09:02, zuha wrote: > Okay just have a question I've been curious about for awhile. What is the > benefit of .pot files instead of say using Google Translate?I'm also > curious as to whether removing the 1000's of __() functions would have any > performance upgrade in that case. Are you talking about http://translate.google.com/ ? Where users can go to view automatic translations of web sites? Surely that's not what you're advocating. Developers should provide web sites with translations that have been vetted by someone who understands the language, and should not rely on users to seek out automatic translation services. Or do you mean some other Google service for web site developers to translate their sites? If so I'm not familiar with it. But one answer for why one would use .po files instead of such a service is that .po files were around long before web services (and long before the web itself). If you think using a web service would work better for you, then by all means use it. -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
