Re: should I know php in order to learn cakePHP
You don't have to know PHP in order to start *producing* applications in CakePHP. I will not recommend this to a programming newbie but a skilled programmer in any language will do the transition with ease. I am doing it my self, I am working with c# .net for the last ten years and I find the transition enjoyable. You better have some kind of knowledge in OOP, and understanding MVC pattern. while paying around you learn php on a need to know basis which take you long time to learn php but its more easy to learn this way. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Chris Hanson phpcoder2...@googlemail.comwrote: ye i would probably learn the basics and do some playing around with PHP before jumping into a frameworkbut thats just my opinion. :D welcome to CakePHP :D On 13 June 2010 20:04, Jahongir Abdurahmonov abdurahmo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if one should know PHP in order to learn and use CakePHP? Should I first learn PHP and then CakePHP? Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcake-php%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -- Kind Regards Chris Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcake-php%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: should I know php in order to learn cakePHP
That's reasonable. It takes a while to get your head around the thought paradigms that a lot of veteran programmers take for granted; but it will come to you eventually. Personally, I started programming with BASIC, then VB, then JavaScript/ Perl/MySQL, then PHP, and I didn't start using Cake (or any other type of MVC framework) until about 2 years ago. So I was already pretty experienced in web development and PHP by the time I picked up Cake, but I think there's a huge advantage to learning Cake or a similar MVC framework early on. It teaches a lot of good programming practices that you will benefit from regardless of what language or framework you're using. In contrast, because my programming knowledge is mostly self-taught, and I'd always stubbornly preferred to roll-my-own in the past instead of picking up a framework, I have picked up a lot of bad habits that Cake has forced me to gradually unlearn over the past 2 years. So in that sense, even though learning Cake as a PHP newbie is much more challenging, the benefits still outweigh the costs. It may even be easier to learn how to program following Cake conventions and using an MVC design pattern when you don't have years of bad programming habits to unlearn. This is especially true if you're going the self- taught route rather than taking formal classes. Of course it's always better to have formal training, but learning Cake alongside PHP is infinitely better than learning just PHP by copying-and-pasting random scripts found on the web (you can still do that with Cake of course, but there's much less of a need to). On Jun 13, 5:56 pm, huoxito huox...@gmail.com wrote: I've been working with PHP for about 6 months and only recently started studying cakephp. It's been interesting but not even close to easy for me. Maybe because PHP is my first experience with programming languages and i had no experience with OOP before start taking cakephp. On 13 jun, 20:16, Tomasz Brymora tomekpi...@gmail.com wrote: If you plan on sticking with Cake (or any other framework for that matter) you won't be able to help but pick up on php. You can pick up on both at the same time and cake will make a lot more sense then as well. It will make life a lot easier. On 06/13/2010 05:46 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: ye i would probably learn the basics and do some playing around with PHP before jumping into a frameworkbut thats just my opinion. :D welcome to CakePHP :D On 13 June 2010 20:04, Jahongir Abdurahmonovabdurahmo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if one should know PHP in order to learn and use CakePHP? Should I first learn PHP and then CakePHP? Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelp others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
should I know php in order to learn cakePHP
I wonder if one should know PHP in order to learn and use CakePHP? Should I first learn PHP and then CakePHP? Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: should I know php in order to learn cakePHP
ye i would probably learn the basics and do some playing around with PHP before jumping into a frameworkbut thats just my opinion. :D welcome to CakePHP :D On 13 June 2010 20:04, Jahongir Abdurahmonov abdurahmo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if one should know PHP in order to learn and use CakePHP? Should I first learn PHP and then CakePHP? Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -- Kind Regards Chris Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: should I know php in order to learn cakePHP
If you plan on sticking with Cake (or any other framework for that matter) you won't be able to help but pick up on php. You can pick up on both at the same time and cake will make a lot more sense then as well. It will make life a lot easier. On 06/13/2010 05:46 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: ye i would probably learn the basics and do some playing around with PHP before jumping into a frameworkbut thats just my opinion. :D welcome to CakePHP :D On 13 June 2010 20:04, Jahongir Abdurahmonovabdurahmo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if one should know PHP in order to learn and use CakePHP? Should I first learn PHP and then CakePHP? Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: should I know php in order to learn cakePHP
I've been working with PHP for about 6 months and only recently started studying cakephp. It's been interesting but not even close to easy for me. Maybe because PHP is my first experience with programming languages and i had no experience with OOP before start taking cakephp. On 13 jun, 20:16, Tomasz Brymora tomekpi...@gmail.com wrote: If you plan on sticking with Cake (or any other framework for that matter) you won't be able to help but pick up on php. You can pick up on both at the same time and cake will make a lot more sense then as well. It will make life a lot easier. On 06/13/2010 05:46 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: ye i would probably learn the basics and do some playing around with PHP before jumping into a frameworkbut thats just my opinion. :D welcome to CakePHP :D On 13 June 2010 20:04, Jahongir Abdurahmonovabdurahmo...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if one should know PHP in order to learn and use CakePHP? Should I first learn PHP and then CakePHP? Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
