Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Rich Sbardella via Callers]

Dave, Andrea,and Yoyo,
My apologies, you are absolutely correct.  I somehow confused "Boys from
Urbana" with another dance.  The two dances are very similar, and the
untitled dance could easily be considered a variation of "Boys from
Urbana".
Rich Sbardella

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Dave Casserly 
wrote:

> I agree with Andrea and Yoyo that this dance is very similar to Boys from
> Urbana, enough certainly to qualify as a variation of the same dance.
> Literally the only difference is that there's a 1/2 gents allemenade after
> the progression in Boys from Urbana.  And this one starts at a different
> spot than Boys from Urbana usually starts, but there's no reason Boys has
> to start there.
>
> I also agree with Yoyo about the timing.  The reason Boys from Urbana
> works well is that there are 2 beats to veer each direction, then 4 beats
> for the gent to allemande left 1/2.  In this dance, timing in B2 is
> unclear: 3/4 circle left is typically 6 beats, which leaves 10 for the veer
> left and veer right.  Dancers won't split that into 5 beats and 5 beats, so
> it's uneven.  Some dancers will compensate by taking extra time to circle
> left, and doing it in 8 beats instead of 6, but other dancers find such
> circles unsatisfying.
>
> -Dave
> Washington, DC
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my external brain
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <
>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> While we are at this, here is another untitled dance.  I am not sure
>> where I collected it.
>>
>> Can anyone name it?
>>
>> a1  N B&S
>> a2  LL, Ladies Alle R 1 1/2
>> b1  P B&S
>> b2  CL 3/4, Veer Left, Veer Right
>>
>>
>> This looks like Boys from Urbana
>>
>>
>> Rich Sbardella
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 2:29 PM, frannie via Callers <
>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have it as a variation of Berkeley Bind by Erik Hoffman. Long lines
>>> instead of a full circle Left.   If it's actually something else I'd love
>>> to give it correct credit.
>>>
>>> ~Frannie
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers <
>>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
 Any insights?

 A1: neighbor B&S
 A2: long lines
 gents alle. L 1 1/2
 B1: PB&S
 B2: circle L 3/4
 Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors

 Cheers,
 Maia

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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Dave Casserly via Callers]

I agree with Andrea and Yoyo that this dance is very similar to Boys from
Urbana, enough certainly to qualify as a variation of the same dance.
Literally the only difference is that there's a 1/2 gents allemenade after
the progression in Boys from Urbana.  And this one starts at a different
spot than Boys from Urbana usually starts, but there's no reason Boys has
to start there.

I also agree with Yoyo about the timing.  The reason Boys from Urbana works
well is that there are 2 beats to veer each direction, then 4 beats for the
gent to allemande left 1/2.  In this dance, timing in B2 is unclear: 3/4
circle left is typically 6 beats, which leaves 10 for the veer left and
veer right.  Dancers won't split that into 5 beats and 5 beats, so it's
uneven.  Some dancers will compensate by taking extra time to circle left,
and doing it in 8 beats instead of 6, but other dancers find such circles
unsatisfying.

-Dave
Washington, DC

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my external brain
>
> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> While we are at this, here is another untitled dance.  I am not sure where
> I collected it.
>
> Can anyone name it?
>
> a1  N B&S
> a2  LL, Ladies Alle R 1 1/2
> b1  P B&S
> b2  CL 3/4, Veer Left, Veer Right
>
>
> This looks like Boys from Urbana
>
>
> Rich Sbardella
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 2:29 PM, frannie via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> I have it as a variation of Berkeley Bind by Erik Hoffman. Long lines
>> instead of a full circle Left.   If it's actually something else I'd love
>> to give it correct credit.
>>
>> ~Frannie
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers <
>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Any insights?
>>>
>>> A1: neighbor B&S
>>> A2: long lines
>>> gents alle. L 1 1/2
>>> B1: PB&S
>>> B2: circle L 3/4
>>> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Maia
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>>
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>> Frannie
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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Andrea Nettleton via Callers]

Sent from my external brain

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> While we are at this, here is another untitled dance.  I am not sure where I 
> collected it.
> 
> Can anyone name it?
> 
> a1  N B&S
> a2  LL, Ladies Alle R 1 1/2
> b1  P B&S
> b2  CL 3/4, Veer Left, Veer Right 

This looks like Boys from Urbana
> 
> Rich Sbardella
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 2:29 PM, frannie via Callers 
>>  wrote:
>> I have it as a variation of Berkeley Bind by Erik Hoffman. Long lines 
>> instead of a full circle Left.   If it's actually something else I'd love to 
>> give it correct credit. 
>> 
>> ~Frannie
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Any insights?
>>> 
>>> A1: neighbor B&S
>>> A2: long lines
>>> gents alle. L 1 1/2
>>> B1: PB&S
>>> B2: circle L 3/4
>>> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Maia
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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[David A Kaynor via Callers]

Hi Everyone,

Bill is correct:  Cherokee Shuffle is an entirely different dance.

The dance in question is one of those great blue-collar contras which were 
somewhat dismissively referred to as “glossary dances” by some of the bigwigs 
of the late 20th century.  Unsurprisingly, it seems to have been independently 
composed by a number of people, me included.  My composition came together on 
the occasion of Matthew Justin Kenney’s birth however many years ago that was 
(he is now entering college).  When I walked it through at my old Greenfield 
dance (at which Stuart Kenney played bass and banjo in the Greenfield Dance 
Band) for the first time, explained its inspiration, and asked the crowd what I 
ought to call it, someone shouted out “Matthew Just in Time”.  And it stuck.

I suspect that as time goes on and more and more people compose dances, there 
will be more occasions of independent composing of identical sequences.  

David

> On Oct 7, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Bill Olson via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ummm... from David's web page:
> 
> Cherokee Shuffle
> Improper
>  
> A1 (facing up and down set) w/Ns, F & B; w/N, dos-a-dos; form circle
> A2 Bal. Circle; W/N, swing, end progressed
> B1  Gs LH turn 1/2; W/P, bal. & swing (12 beats)
> B2 Circle L 3/4; Circle Bal. 2x; W/P, California Twirl to swap places, face 
> new Ns
> 
>  
> This is the 36 bar version to match the tune. I seem to remember the dance 
> originally was Cir L x1, N DSD in A1 and in B1 the men turned half way to a 
> wave across for the balance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Callers  on behalf of Jim 
> Williams via Callers 
> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Aahz via Callers
> Subject: Re: [Callers] What dance is this?
>  
> Note how similar this dance is to David Kaynor's Cherokee Shuffle.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 7, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Michael Dyck via Callers 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> On 16-10-06 02:08 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
> >> Any insights?
> >> 
> >> A1: neighbor B&S
> >> A2: long lines
> >> gents alle. L 1 1/2
> >> B1: PB&S
> >> B2: circle L 3/4
> >> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
> > 
> > That matches "California Twirl   No2" by Al Green:
> > http://www.dancing-without-a-care.me.uk/contras.html
> 
> Contras - Al Green - Al Green - dance caller - Home
> www.dancing-without-a-care.me.uk
> California Twirl-Duple improper A1 Neighbour dosado, neighbour swing A2 Down 
> in 4s, turn as couples, return & bend the line B1 Right & left through, 
> ladies chain
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > and also "Easy Peasy" by Diane Silver
> > in "Barely Legal: A Modest Collection of Modern Contra Dances".
> > 
> > -Michael
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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Bill Olson via Callers]

Ummm... from David's web page:


Cherokee Shuffle

Improper



A1 (facing up and down set) w/Ns, F & B; w/N, dos-a-dos; form circle

A2 Bal. Circle; W/N, swing, end progressed

B1  Gs LH turn 1/2; W/P, bal. & swing (12 beats)

B2 Circle L 3/4; Circle Bal. 2x; W/P, California Twirl to swap places, face new 
Ns



This is the 36 bar version to match the tune. I seem to remember the dance 
originally was Cir L x1, N DSD in A1 and in B1 the men turned half way to a 
wave across for the balance.





From: Callers  on behalf of Jim 
Williams via Callers 
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Aahz via Callers
Subject: Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

Note how similar this dance is to David Kaynor's Cherokee Shuffle.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Michael Dyck via Callers 
>  wrote:
>
>> On 16-10-06 02:08 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
>> Any insights?
>>
>> A1: neighbor B&S
>> A2: long lines
>> gents alle. L 1 1/2
>> B1: PB&S
>> B2: circle L 3/4
>> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
>
> That matches "California Twirl   No2" by Al Green:
> http://www.dancing-without-a-care.me.uk/contras.html

Contras - Al Green - Al Green - dance caller - 
Home
www.dancing-without-a-care.me.uk
California Twirl-Duple improper A1 Neighbour dosado, neighbour swing A2 Down in 
4s, turn as couples, return & bend the line B1 Right & left through, ladies 
chain



>
> and also "Easy Peasy" by Diane Silver
> in "Barely Legal: A Modest Collection of Modern Contra Dances".
>
> -Michael
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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Maia McCormick via Callers]

Awesome, thanks all!

While we're at it, does this one exist?

> becket L
> A1: slice L
> ladies chain (to N)
> A2: ladies chain (to P)
> ladies allemande R 1 1/2 (to N)
> B1: N b&s
> B2: circle L 3/4
> P swing


On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Dugan Murphy via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Hi, Maia,
>
> I have that choreography as "Easy Peasy" by Diane Silver, as published in
> her choreography book "Barely Legal."
>
> Dugan Murphy
> Portland, Maine
> du...@duganmurphy.com
> www.PortlandIntownContraDance.com
> www.NufSed.consulting
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 14:08:35 -0400
>> From: Maia McCormick via Callers 
>> To: "callers@lists.sharedweight.net" 
>> Subject: [Callers] What dance is this?
>> Message-ID:
>> > ail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Any insights?
>>
>> A1: neighbor B&S
>> A2: long lines
>> gents alle. L 1 1/2
>> B1: PB&S
>> B2: circle L 3/4
>> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Maia
>>
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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Jim Williams via Callers]

Note how similar this dance is to David Kaynor's Cherokee Shuffle.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Michael Dyck via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 16-10-06 02:08 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
>> Any insights?
>> 
>> A1: neighbor B&S
>> A2: long lines
>> gents alle. L 1 1/2
>> B1: PB&S
>> B2: circle L 3/4
>> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
> 
> That matches "California Twirl   No2" by Al Green:
> http://www.dancing-without-a-care.me.uk/contras.html
> 
> and also "Easy Peasy" by Diane Silver
> in "Barely Legal: A Modest Collection of Modern Contra Dances".
> 
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Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Dugan Murphy via Callers]

Hi, Maia,

I have that choreography as "Easy Peasy" by Diane Silver, as published in
her choreography book "Barely Legal."

Dugan Murphy
Portland, Maine
du...@duganmurphy.com
www.PortlandIntownContraDance.com
www.NufSed.consulting


> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 14:08:35 -0400
> From: Maia McCormick via Callers 
> To: "callers@lists.sharedweight.net" 
> Subject: [Callers] What dance is this?
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Any insights?
>
> A1: neighbor B&S
> A2: long lines
> gents alle. L 1 1/2
> B1: PB&S
> B2: circle L 3/4
> Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
> **
>

Re: [Callers] What dance is this?

[Michael Dyck via Callers]

On 16-10-06 02:08 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:

Any insights?

A1: neighbor B&S
A2: long lines
gents alle. L 1 1/2
B1: PB&S
B2: circle L 3/4
Bal. the ring, CA twirl to face new neighbors


That matches "California Twirl   No2" by Al Green:
http://www.dancing-without-a-care.me.uk/contras.html

and also "Easy Peasy" by Diane Silver
in "Barely Legal: A Modest Collection of Modern Contra Dances".

-Michael