Re: [Callers] contras for modern square dancers

[Jeanette Mill via Callers]

Hi Judy
I called a couple of contras at a square dance festival here in Australia, and 
found that I needed to keep calling all the way through, as they were used to 
calls being varied through the dance, so would stop dancing if I faded out the 
calling. This may not be common to all codes of square dancing.
cheersJeanette Jeanette Mill Contra dance caller, musician, workshop 
facilitatorCanberra, AustraliaPhone: +61 (0)449 686 077 Email: 
jeanette_m...@yahoo.com.au Skype: jeanette.mill    "The piano - 88 little 
mistakes waiting to happen"Kate Barnes    

On Wednesday, 19 July 2017, 12:28, Judy Greenhill via Callers 
 wrote:
 

 Hi 
everyone,I have undertaken to teach some modern square dancers how to contra 
dance, and I’m wondering if anyone has experience with this and has any dances 
to recommend? I’m a square dancer myself but most of my contra repertoire is 
for modern contra dancers- 2 swings, lots of Balance and swing, etc. I’d like 
more dances with MWSD moves in them and possibly without any, or only 1, swing, 
and they don’t need to have a partner swing. The dancers I am teaching are all 
either plus or advanced, so they will tire pretty quickly of the usual simple 
glossary contras I would normally do in a teaching situation. They can do the 
moves; it’s the formation that is new to them.  Thanks,Judy  

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[Callers] contras for modern square dancers

[Judy Greenhill via Callers]

Hi everyone,

I have undertaken to teach some modern square dancers how to contra dance,
and I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this and has any dances to
recommend? I'm a square dancer myself but most of my contra repertoire is
for modern contra dancers- 2 swings, lots of Balance and swing, etc. I'd
like more dances with MWSD moves in them and possibly without any, or only
1, swing, and they don't need to have a partner swing. The dancers I am
teaching are all either plus or advanced, so they will tire pretty quickly
of the usual simple glossary contras I would normally do in a teaching
situation. They can do the moves; it's the formation that is new to them.

 

Thanks,

Judy

 



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Re: [Callers] Fwd: Does This Sequence Exist?

[Jerome Grisanti via Callers]

Thanks for your comments.

Rich, I had considered a circle left, and chose the circle right for
similar reasons as Joy as articulated. I do want to test this, particularly
asking people dancing the ladies role about the flow and/or momentum shift
they experience.

Joy, yes, I would certainly be sure to make it clear in teaching that it's
the NEXT neighbor for the roll away. Thanks for your encouragement of a
circle right, I'll let the list know how dancers respond.

--Jerome

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On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joy Greenwolfe via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Sorry if this has already been pointed out.
>
> The advantage of circling right before the Neighbor swing in this dance is
> that the Ladies lead in the circle in front of the person they will be
> swinging, which is always a smoother transition than the Gents leading a
> circle into a swing.
>
> The circle right also adds a distinctive flavor to the dance that might
> otherwise look a little generic.
>
> Another detail I noticed is that in the A1, it would be helpful for
> clarity’s sake to specify that the gents roll away their *new* Neighbor,
> not the one they just swung.
>
> Joy Greenwolfe
> Durham, NC
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Rich Goss via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2.
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> I question the flow of a circle R into a swing.  But I don't recognize the
> sequence.
> Cheers,
> Andrea
>
> Sent from my external brain
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>
> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):
>
> Trip to Kentucky
> Improper contra
> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)
>
> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from
> left to right in front of their neighbors).
> Men allemande left 1.5.
>
> A2: Partner B & S.
>
> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.
>
> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerome
>
>
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Re: [Callers] Fwd: Does This Sequence Exist?

[Alan Winston via Callers]

On 7/18/17 1:46 PM, Joy Greenwolfe via Callers wrote:

Sorry if this has already been pointed out.

The advantage of circling right before the Neighbor swing in this 
dance is that the Ladies lead in the circle in front of the person 
they will be swinging, which is always a smoother transition than the 
Gents leading a circle into a swing.


I agree that lady leads in a circle left is super smooth - no fiddling 
with hands required, just fold in and continue CW momentum into the swing.


Gent leads in circle left is a hand change and I've felt it as being 
very awkward.  (Spent a whole dance with one of those where partner and 
I experimented on how to get it smooth; best two solutions were keeping 
hold of the same hand, joining the other hand,and doing a crossed-hand 
swing or changing gender roles with partner each time so you could keep 
the same hand.)


When gent leads in circle right you don't have to change hands, but when 
lady leads you do.


-- Alan
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Re: [Callers] Fwd: Does This Sequence Exist?

[Joy Greenwolfe via Callers]

Sorry if this has already been pointed out. 

The advantage of circling right before the Neighbor swing in this dance is that 
the Ladies lead in the circle in front of the person they will be swinging, 
which is always a smoother transition than the Gents leading a circle into a 
swing. 

The circle right also adds a distinctive flavor to the dance that might 
otherwise look a little generic. 

Another detail I noticed is that in the A1, it would be helpful for clarity’s 
sake to specify that the gents roll away their *new* Neighbor, not the one they 
just swung. 

Joy Greenwolfe
Durham, NC


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Rich Goss via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers 
>> mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I question the flow of a circle R into a swing.  But I don't recognize the 
>>> sequence. 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrea
>>> 
>>> Sent from my external brain
>>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers 
>>> mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):
 
 Trip to Kentucky
 Improper contra
 Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)
 
 A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from 
 left to right in front of their neighbors).
 Men allemande left 1.5.
 
 A2: Partner B & S.
 
 B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.
 
 B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jerome
 
 
 
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Re: [Callers] Fwd: Does This Sequence Exist?

[Alan Winston via Callers]

While I agree that you could circle left, it's not quite "just as 
easily"; the chain / courtesy turn / circle right has an unbroken flow - 
if you do it right; gent has to bring the lady around and point her in 
the right direction - and chain/courtesy turn / circle left means you 
finish the courtesy turn (CCW rotation), stop, and circle left, although 
you can blur that with a twirl rather than a courtesy turn.


I think circle-right-with-lady-in-the-lead is somewhat awkward - you've 
got to change hands, which can be facilitated with a star-thru kind of 
twirl that damps the circular motion - more awkward than 
circle-right-with-gent-in-the-lead but less awkward than circle left 
with gent in the lead.


-- alan


On 7/18/17 11:08 AM, Rich Goss via Callers wrote:



You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2.


On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers 
> wrote:


I question the flow of a circle R into a swing.  But I don't 
recognize the sequence.

Cheers,
Andrea

Sent from my external brain

On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers 
> wrote:





I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):

Trip to Kentucky
Improper contra
Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)

A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving 
from left to right in front of their neighbors).

Men allemande left 1.5.

A2: Partner B & S.

B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.

B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.

Thanks,

Jerome



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Re: [Callers] Does This Sequence Exist?

[Jerome Grisanti via Callers]

Mark, Andrea,

I too wondered about circle right to a swing, I'll try to get some feedback
from the floor.

As Mark suggests ladies turn back to the B2 swing might work, but in that
case I might as well replace the circle with a star left. A variation worth
trying.

Thanks,

Jerome



On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, Mark Hillegonds 
wrote:

> Hi, Jerome,
>
> My comments and question are based on my interpretation of the dance that
> the progression occurs in A1, when the Gent rolls the NEXT neighbor from L
> to R and that the neighbor swing in B2 is with this same (now current)
> Neighbor. With that...
>
> It seems to me that the Circle R to Neighbor swing in B2 might be a bit
> awkward. The person dancing the Ladies role in particular has quite a
> change in momentum. Perhaps the Lady can roll out over her right shoulder
> into the swing?
>
> If you have tried this dance with people and up to speed, what sort of
> feedback did you get on that transition?
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net
> > wrote:
>
>>

>> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):
>>
>> Trip to Kentucky
>> Improper contra
>> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)
>>
>> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from
>> left to right in front of their neighbors).
>> Men allemande left 1.5.
>>
>> A2: Partner B & S.
>>
>> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.
>>
>> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jerome
>>
>>
>>
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[Callers] Fwd: Does This Sequence Exist?

[Rich Goss via Callers]

> You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2. 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I question the flow of a circle R into a swing.  But I don't recognize the 
>> sequence. 
>> Cheers,
>> Andrea
>> 
>> Sent from my external brain
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
>>> 
>>> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):
>>> 
>>> Trip to Kentucky
>>> Improper contra
>>> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)
>>> 
>>> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from left 
>>> to right in front of their neighbors).
>>> Men allemande left 1.5.
>>> 
>>> A2: Partner B & S.
>>> 
>>> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.
>>> 
>>> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jerome
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Callers] Does This Sequence Exist?

[Andrea Nettleton via Callers]

I question the flow of a circle R into a swing.  But I don't recognize the 
sequence. 
Cheers,
Andrea

Sent from my external brain

On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers 
 wrote:

>>> 
> 
> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):
> 
> Trip to Kentucky
> Improper contra
> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)
> 
> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from left 
> to right in front of their neighbors).
> Men allemande left 1.5.
> 
> A2: Partner B & S.
> 
> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.
> 
> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerome
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Callers] Does This Sequence Exist?

[Mark Hillegonds via Callers]

Hi, Jerome,

My comments and question are based on my interpretation of the dance that
the progression occurs in A1, when the Gent rolls the NEXT neighbor from L
to R and that the neighbor swing in B2 is with this same (now current)
Neighbor. With that...

It seems to me that the Circle R to Neighbor swing in B2 might be a bit
awkward. The person dancing the Ladies role in particular has quite a
change in momentum. Perhaps the Lady can roll out over her right shoulder
into the swing?

If you have tried this dance with people and up to speed, what sort of
feedback did you get on that transition?

Mark

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>
>>>
> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):
>
> Trip to Kentucky
> Improper contra
> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)
>
> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from
> left to right in front of their neighbors).
> Men allemande left 1.5.
>
> A2: Partner B & S.
>
> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.
>
> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerome
>
>
>
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[Callers] Does This Sequence Exist?

[Jerome Grisanti via Callers]

>
>
>>
I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled):

Trip to Kentucky
Improper contra
Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists)

A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from left
to right in front of their neighbors).
Men allemande left 1.5.

A2: Partner B & S.

B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain.

B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing.

Thanks,

Jerome



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