Most of the callers in San Diego start out the beginner session by teaching 
circling to the left and right (in a big circle) and forward and back, twice, 
first counting it out with 8s, and then singing a tune - usually Angeline the 
Baker - while doing it again. We don’t really worry about whether we sing well 
or not - that’s not the point. Sometimes if the band is aware and amenable 
they’ll play Angeline briefly for the exercise. And yes, it teaches walking to 
the music, 8 beat phrasing, listening to the caller, and realizing that the 
caller calls before you have to do the next move. It seems to work reasonably 
well. 

Martha


> On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:22 PM, K Panton via Callers 
> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> 
> As it happens, I'm calling a regular contra evening in a few weeks and I'm 
> going to experiment, right off the top of the beginner session, by playing a 
> tune (i.e. start music, then say "welcome")
> 
> https://youtu.be/O0AW6MQXX0Y <https://youtu.be/O0AW6MQXX0Y>
> 
> (Don't worry, the 3/4 quickly changes to jigs. I've listened to many tunes to 
> accompany this idea - Pop, Motown, Celtic - and this tune seems to provide 
> the musicality and the clear phrasing useful for this exercise, and 
> continuity with what they'll hear while dancing later.)
> 
> have the dancers listen for phrasing and then (repeating) in a big circle 
> holding hands:
> 
> L/R 8
> 
> F/B 8
> 
> L4/R12 
> 
> F2/B2/R4
> 
> L OR R 6/2 the other way. 
> 
> i.e. introduce them to a few ways of slicing up a musical phrase in ways they 
> will encounter with contra figures.
> 
> Finish off with a maze of F/B/L/R 8 OR 16
> 
> My contention/hope/observation is that I have never seen an intro session 
> that actually introduces new dancers to the music and, therefore, they have 
> no connection between music and figures when the band actually starts playing 
> later. My hope is that, by first laying a musical foundation, the newbies 
> will try to sync the movements they learn to the music they heard first. 
> 
> We'll see.
> 
> this idea might work for your situation.
> 
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>    4. Re: Brain Dead - Need Suggestions (Winston, Alan P.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 23:40:27 -0500
> From: "Linda S. Mrosko" <elmero...@gmail.com <mailto:elmero...@gmail.com>>
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> Although I've been calling forever and I know things, I'm not currently
> inspired to do this and am asking for help.
> 
> Been hired to lead a dance for a music school -- ages 5 and up to teens and
> their parents and my contact asked if I could lead "dances that encourage
> really paying attention to beat counts?.throw in some music education in
> addition to fun."
> 
> So I'll do my standard ONS dances for this group to recorded music that has
> very good beat counts and distinct phrasing.  That's not the problem.  The
> problem is *"throw in some music education."  *I don't need a dissertation,
> just bits and pieces.  The dance is only 1-1/2 hours long followed by ice
> cream.
> 
> I've got a job that keeps me pretty busy and am training for a new job
> that's taking up a lot of my time and I just can't think anymore.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> *Looking forward,Linda S. Mrosko*
> 
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> I don't read the request as going beyond beat counts.? The basic message 
> is hearing the music, stepping in time, and getting to where you need to 
> be in eight beats.? Then you have various balance-and-four beats and 
> balance-and-twelve beats figures.? You have the timing of the turns on 
> down-the-hall.? That sounds to me like plenty of material for 1 1/2 hours.
> 
> On 8/16/2019 11:40 PM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers wrote:
> > Although I've been calling forever and I know things, I'm not 
> > currently inspired to do this and am asking for help.
> >
> > Been hired to lead a dance for a music school -- ages 5 and up to 
> > teens and their parents and my contact asked if I could lead "dances 
> > that encourage really paying attention to beat counts?.throw in some 
> > music education in addition to fun."
> >
> > So I'll do my standard ONS dances for this group to recorded music 
> > that has very good beat counts and distinct phrasing.? That's not the 
> > problem.? The problem is *"throw in some music education." *I don't 
> > need a dissertation, just bits and pieces.? The dance is only 1-1/2 
> > hours long followed by ice cream.
> >
> > I've got a job that keeps me pretty busy and am training for a new job 
> > that's taking up a lot of my time and I just can't think anymore.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > -- 
> > *Looking forward,
> >
> > /Linda S. Mrosko/
> > *
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions
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> For added ?music education? make the teens listen for the AABB pattern. I 
> wouldn?t even go that far for under 7th grade unless they play an instrument
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 17, 2019, at 13:14, David Harding via Callers 
> > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I don't read the request as going beyond beat counts.  The basic message is 
> > hearing the music, stepping in time, and getting to where you need to be in 
> > eight beats.  Then you have various balance-and-four beats and 
> > balance-and-twelve beats figures.  You have the timing of the turns on 
> > down-the-hall.  That sounds to me like plenty of material for 1 1/2 hours.  
> > 
> > On 8/16/2019 11:40 PM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers wrote:
> >> Although I've been calling forever and I know things, I'm not currently 
> >> inspired to do this and am asking for help. 
> >> 
> >> Been hired to lead a dance for a music school -- ages 5 and up to teens 
> >> and their parents and my contact asked if I could lead "dances that 
> >> encourage really paying attention to beat counts?.throw           in some 
> >> music education in addition to fun."
> >> 
> >> So I'll do my standard ONS dances for this group to recorded music that 
> >> has very good beat counts and distinct phrasing.  That's not the problem.  
> >> The problem is "throw in some music education."  I don't need a 
> >> dissertation, just bits and pieces.  The dance is only 1-1/2 hours long 
> >> followed by ice cream.
> >> 
> >> I've got a job that keeps me pretty busy and am training for a new job 
> >> that's taking up a lot of my time and I just can't think anymore.
> >> 
> >> Any suggestions?
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Looking forward,
> >> 
> >> Linda S. Mrosko
> >> 102 Mitchell Drive
> >> Temple, Texas 76501
> >> (903) 292-3713 (Cell)
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> From: "Winston, Alan P." <wins...@slac.stanford.edu 
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions
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> I'd think if you could get them to do "Lucky Seven" and count the progression 
> aloud (1 .. 2.. 3 ..) so that they're hearing 2 beat or 4 beat chunks on the 
> pull by, you'd be exceeding the request.
> 
> -- Alan
> ________________________________
> From: Callers <callers-boun...@lists.sharedweight.net 
> <mailto:callers-boun...@lists.sharedweight.net>> on behalf of Linda S. Mrosko 
> via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net 
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> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 9:40 PM
> To: Callers List <callers@lists.sharedweight.net 
> <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
> Subject: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions
> 
> Although I've been calling forever and I know things, I'm not currently 
> inspired to do this and am asking for help.
> 
> Been hired to lead a dance for a music school -- ages 5 and up to teens and 
> their parents and my contact asked if I could lead "dances that encourage 
> really paying attention to beat counts?.throw in some music education in 
> addition to fun."
> 
> So I'll do my standard ONS dances for this group to recorded music that has 
> very good beat counts and distinct phrasing.  That's not the problem.  The 
> problem is "throw in some music education."  I don't need a dissertation, 
> just bits and pieces.  The dance is only 1-1/2 hours long followed by ice 
> cream.
> 
> I've got a job that keeps me pretty busy and am training for a new job that's 
> taking up a lot of my time and I just can't think anymore.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> --
> Looking forward,
> 
> Linda S. Mrosko
> 102 Mitchell Drive
> Temple, Texas 76501
> (903) 292-3713 (Cell)
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> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:32:38 +0100
> From: Colin Hume <co...@colinhume.com <mailto:co...@colinhume.com>>
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> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:20:08 +0000, Winston, Alan P. via Callers wrote:
> > I'd think if you could get them to do "Lucky Seven" and count the 
> > progression aloud (1 .. 2.. 3 ..) so that they're
> > hearing 2 beat or 4 beat chunks on the pull by, you'd be exceeding the 
> > request.
> 
> In my experience you can't be on the beat for every change - you lose it at 
> about 5!
> 
> Colin Hume
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:17:06 -0700
> From: Woody Lane <wo...@woodylane.com <mailto:wo...@woodylane.com>>
> To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Brain Dead - Need Suggestions
> Message-ID: <14a1d797-00dd-3298-8b81-d05807739...@woodylane.com 
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> Hi Linda,
> 
> An idea: After teaching about AABB, perhaps have a couple of tunes that 
> are crooked -- both extra 8-bar parts (e.g., AABBCC) and tunes with 
> extra beats. Then demonstrate the differences with standard contra tunes.
> 
> Woody
> 
> On 8/17/2019 11:33 AM, Bob Peterson via Callers wrote:
> > For added ?music education? make the teens listen for the AABB 
> > pattern. I wouldn?t even go that far for under 7th grade unless they 
> > play an instrument.
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 2019, at 13:14, David Harding via Callers 
> >> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> 
> >> <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net 
> >> <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't read the request as going beyond beat counts.? The basic 
> >> message is hearing the music, stepping in time, and getting to where 
> >> you need to be in eight beats.? Then you have various 
> >> balance-and-four beats and balance-and-twelve beats figures.? You 
> >> have the timing of the turns on down-the-hall.? That sounds to me 
> >> like plenty of material for 1 1/2 hours.
> >>
> >> On 8/16/2019 11:40 PM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers wrote:
> >>> Although I've been calling forever and I know things, I'm not 
> >>> currently inspired to do this and am asking for help.
> >>>
> >>> Been hired to lead a dance for a music school -- ages 5 and up to 
> >>> teens and their parents and my contact asked if I could lead "dances 
> >>> that encourage really paying attention to beat counts?.throw in some 
> >>> music education in addition to fun."
> >>>
> >>> So I'll do my standard ONS dances for this group to recorded music 
> >>> that has very good beat counts and distinct phrasing.? That's not 
> >>> the problem.? The problem is *"throw in some music education." *I 
> >>> don't need a dissertation, just bits and pieces.? The dance is only 
> >>> 1-1/2 hours long followed by ice cream.
> >>>
> >>> I've got a job that keeps me pretty busy and am training for a new 
> >>> job that's taking up a lot of my time and I just can't think anymore.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> *Looking forward,
> >>>
> >>> /Linda S. Mrosko/
> >>> *
> >>> *102 Mitchell Drive
> >>> *
> >>> *Temple, Texas 76501
> >>> *
> >>> *(903) 292-3713 (Cell)*
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> From: jim saxe <jim.s...@gmail.com <mailto:jim.s...@gmail.com>>
> To: "Linda S. Mrosko" <elmero...@gmail.com <mailto:elmero...@gmail.com>>
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> Linda,
> 
> I'll hazard a guess that the request to lead "dances that encourage really 
> paying attention to beat counts" is really a request for dances that keep 
> everyone dancing together in time to the phrasing of the music  I think that 
> skilled contra/ECD/Scottish/... dancers who dance to the phrase mostly do it 
> by sensing the structure of the music not by explicit mental counting--unless 
> they're forced to resort to counting because the band is getting to 
> improvisational.
> 
> It is sometimes stated as conventional wisdom that ONS leaders need to 
> recognize situations where dancing to the phrase isn't going to be the 
> happening thing and learn to let go of the phrasing and let the dancers dance 
> at their own comfortable pace.  Perhaps some previous caller who had your gig 
> either (a) followed this advice or (b) tried to get people to dance on phrase 
> with material where keeping track of the figures and keeping track of the 
> phrasing at the same time was beyond the collective skill level of the crowd. 
>  In either case, your contact's disappointment at the results could be the 
> reason for the request you report.
> 
> Turning aside from such speculation, here a few specific ideas, with the 
> disclaimer that I have little experience leading ONS events and that I won't 
> feel insulted if someone more experienced wants to contradict or revise them.
> 
> 1.  Dancers of a wide age range seem to have any easy time dancing "Sasha!" 
> in time to the music.
> 
> 2.  In any dance from your ONS repertoire that includes
> 
>      forward (4 steps, or 3 steps and close)
>      back (same)
> 
> , changing it to
> 
>      forward two, stamp-stamp-stamp
>      back two, stamp-stamp-stamp
> 
> might help keep people moving together to the music--or at least help 
> convince your contact that you're trying to teach something--especially if 
> you can select music that seems to fit that action.  (However, I recommend 
> avoiding choreography with foot stamping if you find that the space has a 
> non-resilient floor.)
> 
> 3.  You might try something like this version of "(Come) Haste to the 
> Wedding" (to the tune of the same name):
> 
>      Formation: Sicilian Circle
> 
>      A1 (8) Circle L
>         (8) Circle R 
> 
>      A2 (8) Star R
>         (8) Star L 
> 
>      B1 (8) Partners do-si-do
>         (2) Clap, Clap (i.e, clap own hands together on beats 9 and 10)
>         (6) Partners two-hand turn once around
> 
>      B2 (8) Neighbors (sometimes called "opposites") do-si-do
>         (2) Clap, Clap
>         (6) Pass Through (and bow to new neighbors if time allows)
> 
> Perhaps other list members who have taught this dance often can share their 
> approaches for teaching dancers to clap on beats 9 and 10 of the B parts, 
> rather than on beats 7 and 8 as some may tend to do.  Of course it will help 
> to have music where the correct beats are played staccato and with emphasis.
> 
> I look forward to reading ideas that others may offer.
> 
> --Jim
> 
> On Aug 16, 2019, at 9:40 PM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers 
> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
> > ...
> > 
> > Been hired to lead a dance for a music school -- ages 5 and up to teens and 
> > their parents and my contact asked if I could lead "dances that encourage 
> > really paying attention to beat counts?.throw in some music  education in 
> > addition to fun."
> > 
> > ...
> 
> 
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