Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? - Email Issues

2014-08-01 Thread Woody Lane via Callers 

On 7/31/2014 8:16 PM, Dave C via Callers wrote:
WHAT IS GOING ON???  I sent this email on MONDAY, July 28.  It showed 
up in my inbox, finally, date stamped today, 7/31/14 at 10 pm. 
WTHWHY  Can SOMEONE actually tell me what is going on 
with this email system???  Thanks,


Dave Colestock


On Mon, 7/28/14, Dave C via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> 
wrote:


  Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?
  To: "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>, "Chris Page" 
<chriscp...@gmail.com>

  Cc: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net>
  Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:27 PM
I am curious.  I got
  Chris' reply email in my inbox today stamped at 1:11 pm,
  but I never received the initial email from Maia that was
  sent at 7:46 this morning.  I have noticed this on other
  occassions as well.  Is anyone else getting reply messages
  but not the initial message???  Can a mod please address
  this?  Thanks,
Dave
  Colestock


Hi Dave,

One idea: You might try expanding the header and then copying it to a 
translation tool website. I've used this website with some success:


http://mxtoolbox.com/EmailHeaders.aspx

Gives you some insights where the delay occurs.

Woody
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? - Email Issues

2014-08-01 Thread Seth Seeger via Callers 

Dave,

I have sent you three emails - two directly to you and one via this 
list.  Please contact me directly.


Seth


On 07/31/2014 11:16 PM, Dave C via Callers wrote:

WHAT IS GOING ON???  I sent this email on MONDAY, July 28.  It showed up in my 
inbox, finally, date stamped today, 7/31/14 at 10 pm.  WTHWHY  
Can SOMEONE actually tell me what is going on with this email system???  Thanks,

Dave Colestock


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  Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?
  To: "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>, "Chris Page" <chriscp...@gmail.com>
  Cc: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net>
  Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:27 PM
  
  I am curious.  I got

  Chris' reply email in my inbox today stamped at 1:11 pm,
  but I never received the initial email from Maia that was
  sent at 7:46 this morning.  I have noticed this on other
  occassions as well.  Is anyone else getting reply messages
  but not the initial message???  Can a mod please address
  this?  Thanks,
  
  Dave

  Colestock
  
  

  On Mon, 7/28/14, Chris Page via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re:

  [Callers] Giant dance database?
   To:
  "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>
   Cc: "Caller's discussion list"
  <call...@sharedweight.net>
   Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:11 PM
   
   During the recent

  caller's survey, I
   think a database of
  dances was at
   the top of the list of what
  online resource callers wanted.
   
   There have been several attempts at creating a

  dance
   database over the
  
  past decade-plus. They have all fizzled out, primarily

  for
   lack of
   volunteers
  with sufficient drive, free time, and coding
   experience to
   create such a
  beast.
   
   (Data entry and

  getting permissions requires less technical
  
  skill, and

   can be farmed out amongst a
  larger committee.)
   
   -Chris

  Page
   San Diego
   
   On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Maia

  McCormick via Callers
   <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
   wrote:
   > Hi all,
   >
   > I'm currently
  in programming school casting about for
  
  programming projects,

   > and I had the
  idea of a giant searchable contradance
  
  database, where you can

   > filter by move
  combination, etc.
   >
  
  > My question: is this something people would be

   interested in having? Or does
  
  > it run the risk of infringing on intellectual

  property,
   or shortchanging
  
  > dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no

  dances
   would be included
  
  > without the author's permission, but it may be

  that
   making a huge ton of
  
  > dances freely available and searchable in one place

   online would be a death
   >
  blow to published books of dances, or have some other
   negative effect I'm
   >
  not foreseeing right now...)
   >
   > Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on
  this project?
   >
   >
  Cheers,
   > Maia
   >
   >
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? - Email Issues

2014-08-01 Thread Aahz Maruch via Callers 
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014, Dave C via Callers wrote:
>
> WHAT IS GOING ON???  I sent this email on MONDAY, July 28.  It showed
> up in my inbox, finally, date stamped today, 7/31/14 at 10 pm.
> WTH  WHY  Can SOMEONE actually tell me what is going on
> with this email system???  Thanks,

The only way anyone could answer this question is if you save the message
so that the headers are preserved, then forward the saved message.  It's
a complicated problem if you don't already have the background and may be
difficult to solve even with the background.

Most likely it's getting held as part of some kind of idiocy at Yahoo
(which is well-known for e-mail problems); second most likely is that
some kind of spam processing is holding it.

Thanks,
Aahz
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? - Email Issues

2014-08-01 Thread Dave C via Callers 
WHAT IS GOING ON???  I sent this email on MONDAY, July 28.  It showed up in my 
inbox, finally, date stamped today, 7/31/14 at 10 pm.  WTHWHY  
Can SOMEONE actually tell me what is going on with this email system???  Thanks,

Dave Colestock


On Mon, 7/28/14, Dave C via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?
 To: "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>, "Chris Page" <chriscp...@gmail.com>
 Cc: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net>
 Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:27 PM
 
 I am curious.  I got
 Chris' reply email in my inbox today stamped at 1:11 pm,
 but I never received the initial email from Maia that was
 sent at 7:46 this morning.  I have noticed this on other
 occassions as well.  Is anyone else getting reply messages
 but not the initial message???  Can a mod please address
 this?  Thanks,
 
 Dave
 Colestock
 
 
 On Mon, 7/28/14, Chris Page via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re:
 [Callers] Giant dance database?
  To:
 "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>
  Cc: "Caller's discussion list"
 <call...@sharedweight.net>
  Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:11 PM
  
  During the recent
 caller's survey, I
  think a database of
 dances was at
  the top of the list of what
 online resource callers wanted.
  
  There have been several attempts at creating a
 dance
  database over the
 
 past decade-plus. They have all fizzled out, primarily
 for
  lack of
  volunteers
 with sufficient drive, free time, and coding
  experience to
  create such a
 beast.
  
  (Data entry and
 getting permissions requires less technical
 
 skill, and
  can be farmed out amongst a
 larger committee.)
  
  -Chris
 Page
  San Diego
  
  On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Maia
 McCormick via Callers
  <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
  wrote:
  > Hi all,
  >
  > I'm currently
 in programming school casting about for
 
 programming projects,
  > and I had the
 idea of a giant searchable contradance
 
 database, where you can
  > filter by move
 combination, etc.
  >
 
 > My question: is this something people would be
  interested in having? Or does
 
 > it run the risk of infringing on intellectual
 property,
  or shortchanging
 
 > dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no
 dances
  would be included
 
 > without the author's permission, but it may be
 that
  making a huge ton of
 
 > dances freely available and searchable in one place
  online would be a death
  >
 blow to published books of dances, or have some other
  negative effect I'm
  >
 not foreseeing right now...)
  >
  > Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on
 this project?
  >
  >
 Cheers,
  > Maia
  >
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-31 Thread Aahz Maruch via Callers 
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
>
> Actually a global contra dance database seems like a bad idea.  Who
> will decide what dances merit placement in the database?  A much
> better idea is for CDSS to maintain a web page with either copies of
> web page(s) with authors' dances, somewhat like Cary Ravitz now does:
> http://ravitz.us/caller/ It would be best for CDSS to keep a copy of
> each composer's dances, so to preserve them when the author dies.

Overall, this makes sense; however, remember that Maia is partly doing
this for programming practice.  There's an old programmer saying: "Rough
consensus and running code," which means that working code trumps most
other considerations.  I think your proposal runs the risk of having
nothing because people will spend time talking and talking and talking
and talking about it; if Maia's project pans out, she could (should!) be
encouraged to turn it over to CDSS to run and maintain it.

> Anyone could submit page(s) of dances, and CDSS would make no
> judgement as to the quality of the dances.  One might want to set up a
> mechanism so an author can edit the pages with her/his dances Visitors
> could then peruse any author's dances, and initiate discussion about
> specific dances on a forum similar to this one.

The design discussion for these features is in many ways completely
different from the basic database design discussion, with all kinds of
security/privacy issues.  They can be tacked on by competent programmers
more-or-less independently of the underlying database.  I strongly
recommend skipping it for now.
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-30 Thread Michael Fuerst via Callers 
Actually a global contra dance database seems like a bad idea.   Who will 
decide what dances merit placement in the database?
A much better idea is for CDSS to maintain a web page with either  copies of 
web page(s) with authors' dances, somewhat like Cary Ravitz now does:  
http://ravitz.us/caller/
It would be best for CDSS to keep a copy of  each composer's dances, so to 
preserve them when  the author dies.
Anyone could submit page(s) of dances, and CDSS would make no judgement as to 
the quality of the dances.
One might want to set up a mechanism so an author can edit the pages with 
her/his dances
Visitors could then peruse any author's dances, and initiate discussion about 
specific dances on a forum similar to this one.  
 
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Links to photos of many of my drawings and paintings are at 
www.ArtComesFuerst.com


On Monday, July 28, 2014 10:19 AM, Jeff Kaufman via Callers 
 wrote:
 


I think this is a great idea, and the main non-technical limitation is
writing to lots of callers to get their permission to include their
dances.  Several people have proposed something similar, but the
actual work of checking with lots of callers has been too daunting.

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects,
> and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you can
> filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or does
> it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or shortchanging
> dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would be included
> without the author's permission, but it may be that making a huge ton of
> dances freely available and searchable in one place online would be a death
> blow to published books of dances, or have some other negative effect I'm
> not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-29 Thread Seth Seeger via Callers 

Co-moderator here...

I would suggest checking your spam folder, if Yahoo has one.  It is also 
possible that Yahoo decided to temporarily block the list host for a 
short period.  Unfortunately, I don't have a good answer.


You can see the original email here:
http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/2014-July/82.html

-Seth


On 07/28/2014 01:27 PM, Dave C via Callers wrote:

I am curious.  I got Chris' reply email in my inbox today stamped at 1:11 pm, 
but I never received the initial email from Maia that was sent at 7:46 this 
morning.  I have noticed this on other occassions as well.  Is anyone else 
getting reply messages but not the initial message???  Can a mod please address 
this?  Thanks,

Dave Colestock


On Mon, 7/28/14, Chris Page via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?
  To: "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>
  Cc: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net>
  Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:11 PM
  
  During the recent caller's survey, I

  think a database of dances was at
  the top of the list of what online resource callers wanted.
  
  There have been several attempts at creating a dance

  database over the
  past decade-plus. They have all fizzled out, primarily for
  lack of
  volunteers with sufficient drive, free time, and coding
  experience to
  create such a beast.
  
  (Data entry and getting permissions requires less technical

  skill, and
  can be farmed out amongst a larger committee.)
  
  -Chris Page

  San Diego
  
  On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers

  <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
  wrote:
  > Hi all,
  >
  > I'm currently in programming school casting about for
  programming projects,
  > and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance
  database, where you can
  > filter by move combination, etc.
  >
  > My question: is this something people would be
  interested in having? Or does
  > it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property,
  or shortchanging
  > dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances
  would be included
  > without the author's permission, but it may be that
  making a huge ton of
  > dances freely available and searchable in one place
  online would be a death
  > blow to published books of dances, or have some other
  negative effect I'm
  > not foreseeing right now...)
  >
  > Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Maia
  >
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-29 Thread Mark Hillegonds via Callers 
Maia,

If you're not limited to a database project, you might consider a project of a 
more graphical nature. It would useful to have an application that can 
interpret dance instructions and generate a video of the dance. 

There are 1 or 2 very simple ones out there, but graphics are poor and they 
have a limited set of instructions.

Also, is this an assignment or otherwise something you want to do yourself. In 
other words, would you be open to others assisting with this project.

Mark

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects, 
> and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you can 
> filter by move combination, etc.
> 
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or does 
> it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or shortchanging 
> dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would be included 
> without the author's permission, but it may be that making a huge ton of 
> dances freely available and searchable in one place online would be a death 
> blow to published books of dances, or have some other negative effect I'm not 
> foreseeing right now...)
> 
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
> 
> Cheers,
> Maia
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Roger Hayes via Callers 
A more interesting programming task, and more useful, would be to design &
build a system that facilitated crowdsourcing dance definitions.  You'd
want some kind of authentication and reputation tracking system, and
perhaps a lexography of dance moves for cataloguing -- although Peter
Norvig cites the "Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data", and he's been there
and done that for semantic analysis of language.

I wonder if CDSS would consider hosting such a system?

I presume you'd make it open source.  No money to be had, I think.

- Roger Hayes



On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming
> projects, and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database,
> where you can filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or
> does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or
> shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would
> be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a
> huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online
> would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other
> negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread tallygal007 via Callers 
Are you familiar with Will Loving's software?

Www.callerscompanion.com


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Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? 
Hi Maia,

It sounds like what you're talking about is a more complex version of Michael 
Dyck's Contradance Index: http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/.

So a publicly accessible database already exists, but it is only searchable by 
title or author (not by figure or figure combination) and there is actually no 
dance choreography in it (all search results are references to where the dance 
is published elsewhere, either in print on online).

Dugan Murphy
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Hi all,

I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects,
and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you
can filter by move combination, etc.

My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or
does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or
shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would
be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a
huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online
would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other
negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...)

Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?

Cheers,
Maia
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Dugan Murphy via Callers 
Hi Maia,

It sounds like what you're talking about is a more complex version of
Michael Dyck's Contradance Index: http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/.

So a publicly accessible database already exists, but it is only searchable
by title or author (not by figure or figure combination) and there is
actually no dance choreography in it (all search results are references to
where the dance is published elsewhere, either in print on online).

Dugan Murphy
Skowhegan, Maine


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> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects,
> and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you
> can filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or
> does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or
> shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would
> be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a
> huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online
> would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other
> negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
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> From: Jeff Kaufman via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Luke Donforth via Callers 
Last I heard, Nils Fredland was the person at CDSS associated with the
project.

There are non-online versions that allow searching in various ways. You
might take a look at Caller's Companion http://callerscompanion.com to see
something already out there.
On Jul 28, 2014 10:46 AM, "Maia McCormick via Callers" <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming
> projects, and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database,
> where you can filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or
> does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or
> shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would
> be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a
> huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online
> would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other
> negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Dave C via Callers 
I am curious.  I got Chris' reply email in my inbox today stamped at 1:11 pm, 
but I never received the initial email from Maia that was sent at 7:46 this 
morning.  I have noticed this on other occassions as well.  Is anyone else 
getting reply messages but not the initial message???  Can a mod please address 
this?  Thanks,

Dave Colestock


On Mon, 7/28/14, Chris Page via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?
 To: "Maia McCormick" <maia@gmail.com>
 Cc: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net>
 Date: Monday, July 28, 2014, 1:11 PM

 During the recent caller's survey, I
 think a database of dances was at
 the top of the list of what online resource callers wanted.

 There have been several attempts at creating a dance
 database over the
 past decade-plus. They have all fizzled out, primarily for
 lack of
 volunteers with sufficient drive, free time, and coding
 experience to
 create such a beast.

 (Data entry and getting permissions requires less technical
 skill, and
 can be farmed out amongst a larger committee.)

 -Chris Page
 San Diego

 On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers
 <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
 wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I'm currently in programming school casting about for
 programming projects,
 > and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance
 database, where you can
 > filter by move combination, etc.
 >
 > My question: is this something people would be
 interested in having? Or does
 > it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property,
 or shortchanging
 > dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances
 would be included
 > without the author's permission, but it may be that
 making a huge ton of
 > dances freely available and searchable in one place
 online would be a death
 > blow to published books of dances, or have some other
 negative effect I'm
 > not foreseeing right now...)
 >
 > Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
 >
 > Cheers,
 > Maia
 >
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Chris Page via Callers 
During the recent caller's survey, I think a database of dances was at
the top of the list of what online resource callers wanted.

There have been several attempts at creating a dance database over the
past decade-plus. They have all fizzled out, primarily for lack of
volunteers with sufficient drive, free time, and coding experience to
create such a beast.

(Data entry and getting permissions requires less technical skill, and
can be farmed out amongst a larger committee.)

-Chris Page
San Diego

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects,
> and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you can
> filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or does
> it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or shortchanging
> dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would be included
> without the author's permission, but it may be that making a huge ton of
> dances freely available and searchable in one place online would be a death
> blow to published books of dances, or have some other negative effect I'm
> not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Aaron Redfern via Callers 
My guess is a lot of people who write dances would be happy to contribute,
but trying to wrangle all the callers and dances does seem pretty daunting.

Presumably older dances are in the public domain, either by clearly defined
intellectual property laws or implicitly via the folk process.  What if you
started out by adding a ton of chestnuts and other older dances, and then
when you had enough to show, you could open it up for people to contribute
their newer dances directly?


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming
> projects, and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database,
> where you can filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or
> does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or
> shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would
> be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a
> huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online
> would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other
> negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
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Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Jeff Kaufman via Callers 
I think this is a great idea, and the main non-technical limitation is
writing to lots of callers to get their permission to include their
dances.  Several people have proposed something similar, but the
actual work of checking with lots of callers has been too daunting.

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects,
> and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you can
> filter by move combination, etc.
>
> My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or does
> it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or shortchanging
> dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would be included
> without the author's permission, but it may be that making a huge ton of
> dances freely available and searchable in one place online would be a death
> blow to published books of dances, or have some other negative effect I'm
> not foreseeing right now...)
>
> Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
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[Callers] Giant dance database?

2014-07-28 Thread Maia McCormick via Callers 
Hi all,

I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects,
and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you
can filter by move combination, etc.

My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or
does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or
shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would
be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a
huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online
would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other
negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...)

Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project?

Cheers,
Maia
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