[Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[K Panton via Callers]

3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
straight-across figure causes confusion.

The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
which is doable.

Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new dancers,
thereby opening up a whole new world!

Thanks

Ken

Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Meg Dedolph via Callers]

I like this one a lot:

*Becky's Brouhaha - Rhiannon (Giddens) Laffan
*>>* A1N Bal and Box the Gnat, Pull by R, (Previous N) Allemande L
*>* A2(Current) N B&S
*>* B1Circle L 3/4, P Sw
*>* B2Ladies Chain, Left Hand Star*



On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:36 AM K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> 3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
> expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
> straight-across figure causes confusion.
>
> The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
> which is doable.
>
> Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new dancers,
> thereby opening up a whole new world!
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken
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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Maia McCormick via Callers]

Mary Cay's Reel (also by David Kaynor) and Poetry in Motion (Lisa
Greenleaf) have expeditions out of your hands-4 to your future neighbor,
and Little Green Heron (Joseph Pimentel) to the previous ones. Angel's
Flight (Sue Rosen) is a really lovely dance with a jaunt to your future
neighbor and back, but beginners may have trouble doing the gypsy the right
distance, it needs careful teaching. In Cahoots (Rick Mohr) and Train Delay
(one of mine) are some dances with brief shadow interaction that are pretty
hard to mess up--no weird diagonal action or similar. Choreography below.

Mary Cay's Reel by David Kaynor || becket left
A1: circle L 3/4; pass N to alle. L with next N
A2: orig. N b&S
B1: long lines; ladies alle. R 3/4 (4), new lady by L 3/4 (4)*
B2: P b&s
*gents slide a little L to meet partner. Also, ladies should locate 2nd
lady before starting (look across, and one lady to the right)

Poetry in Motion by Lisa Greenleaf || improper
A1: RH star; N alle. R 1 1/2
A2: gypsy next N L; swing N*
B1: g&t to gent's side; P swing
B2: ladies chain (to N); LH star 1x (to new Ns)
* CURRENT N: the one you alle'd, NOT the one you gypsied

Little Green Heron by Joseph Pimentel || improper
A1 with current neighbors star L; with former neighbors star R
A2 with current N b&s
B1 gents alle L 1.5; P swing
B2 circle L 1.25 (till the ones are looking down, twos looking up); with P
zig left past current neighbors, zag right to greet new neighbors

Angel's Flight by Sue Rosen || improper
A1: N gypsy R 1 1/2*; RH star (ladies follow N) 1x
A2: next N gypsy L 1x; orig. N swing
B1: circle L 3/4; P swing
B2: ladies chain (to N); LH star 1x
* identify next N before starting the star (look away from this N along
 the side)

In Cahoots by Rick Mohr || becket, CW
A1: (slide left to) circle L 3/4 w/ next N swing
A2: ladies alle. R 1 1/2 P alle. L 1 1/2 → short wave (gents R in middle)
B1: bal. wave, walk forward to new wave (gents R, shadows L) bal. wave,
shadow alle. L 3/4
B2: P b&s

Train Delay by Maia McCormick || becket right
A1: ladies alle. R 1 1/2*; N swing
A2: ladies chain (to P); LH star 1x
B1: w/ shadow, bal. & box the gnat; do-si-do shadow 1 1/2
B2: P b&s
* look R for a new lady (gents will scooch R here)
In the second half of B1, pull by R at the start of the do-si-do for some
extra momentum (depending on the crowd, may be useful to teach this)


On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:36 PM, K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> 3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
> expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
> straight-across figure causes confusion.
>
> The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
> which is doable.
>
> Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new dancers,
> thereby opening up a whole new world!
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken
>
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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

I've had issues with the combination of box the gnat and pull by.  I'd 
be hesitant to use that combination for a group with a lot of beginners.


Kalia Kliban (who also posted about Another Nice Combination but forgot 
to sign it)


On 10/10/2016 10:30 AM, Meg Dedolph via Callers wrote:

I like this one a lot:

/Becky's Brouhaha - Rhiannon (Giddens) Laffan />//>/A1 N Bal and Box
the Gnat, Pull by R, (Previous N) Allemande L />/A2 (Current) N B&S
/>/B1 Circle L 3/4, P Sw />/B2 Ladies Chain, Left Hand Star/



On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:36 AM K Panton via Callers
mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:

3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
straight-across figure causes confusion.

The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow
allemande which is doable.

Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new
dancers, thereby opening up a whole new world!

Thanks

Ken

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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Tom Hinds via Callers]

Cheat or swing in a square.
On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:36 PM, K Panton via Callers wrote:

3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to  
extra-4some expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain  
followed by a straight-across figure causes confusion.


The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow  
allemande which is doable.


Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new  
dancers, thereby opening up a whole new world!


Thanks

Ken

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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Don Veino via Callers]

With more experience I've become very sensitive to when to use dances that
include out-of-set action. For me, once you get to something like ~20% of
the hall being "new", I likely won't include any out of set dances in the
first half (second half, only if things are going well).

Cal and Irene by Dan Pearl is one I do use a fair bit when introducing out
of set action:

A1
(16) N Bal., & Swing (SHDW on Lt. Diag. while facing in)
A2
(2,6) N Slide Lt., Cir. Lt. 3/4 (SHDW in this Cir./Ring)
(4,4) Ring Bal., N Calif. Twirl
B1
(16) P Bal., & Swing
B2
(8) Rt. & Lt. Thru **OR** P Prom. Across
(6,2) Cir. Lt. 3/4, Pass Thru Up/Dn

The parts are basic and common earlier in a program. The CA Twirl to face P
is an AHA! moment. I now stress that the A2 Circle is NOT with your Partner
(but you'll come back to them) in the teaching. I can vividly remember a
dancer that repeatedly "fixed" that circle to be with their P every time
through the dance, breaking it for those around them. Call coaching didn't
work, I had to get on the floor and "twin" them once through the dance to
convince them it was OK to separate.

I've recently come up with the following, which I've had luck with under
similar conditions, as you excurse and return with your Partner:

(I'll Take) What's Behind Door #2 - DI - Don Veino 20160822

A1
Star Right
Neighbor Allemande Rt. 1+1/2

A2
Next Neighbors Star Left
Original (A1 Allemande) Neighbor Swing

B1
Circle Left 3/4, Partner Swing
[alt. music fit: Give and Take to Gent's Side, Swing]

B2 (Author preferred)
Ring/4 Balance, Slide/Twirl Right 1x
Neighbor Left Hand Balance, Pull By Up/Down (leisurely)

B2 (Easier alternate)
Ring/4 Balance, Slide/Twirl Right 1x
Ring/4 Balance, Pass Through Up/Down

Written to match with the tune Door County #2 by Larry Unger, but fits with
other old timey or common tunes.

-Don

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:36 PM, K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>

> 3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
straight-across figure causes confusion.
>
> The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
which is doable.
>
> Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new
dancers, thereby opening up a whole new world!
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken
>
>
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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[K Panton via Callers]

Thanks to all for the ideas.

Special thanks to Maia!

If anyone has insights into teaching diagonal figures to the uninitiated
I'd love to hear them.

Ken

On Oct 10, 2016 12:36, "K Panton"  wrote:

> 3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
> expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
> straight-across figure causes confusion.
>
> The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
> which is doable.
>
> Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new dancers,
> thereby opening up a whole new world!
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken
>

Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Maia McCormick via Callers]

Anything that gets a laugh is more likely to be remembered. I've heard
folks (Adina Gordon comes to mind) say something like: "If there's no one
on your left diagonal... (dramatic pause) ...for the love of God, don't do
anything!" Still don't have a particularly good way to get folks back IN on
a diagonal though, eagerly following this thread for that!

I *will* mention a bit of advice I got (believe it was from the esteemed
Will Mentor) on calling new/old neighbor figures: and that's to avoid use
of the phase "go BACK to your..." because to many that implies backwards
motion and generally folks will be walking forward, and you only perceive
that direction as "back" if you have a pretty well-developed sense of
contra geography. Instead, say something like "return". I also find it
useful, in this cases, to give the players funny and memorable names other
than "current neighbor" and "next neighbor"--like maybe your "one true
neighbor"?

Cheers,
Maia

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:27 AM, K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Thanks to all for the ideas.
>
> Special thanks to Maia!
>
> If anyone has insights into teaching diagonal figures to the uninitiated
> I'd love to hear them.
>
> Ken
>
> On Oct 10, 2016 12:36, "K Panton"  wrote:
>
>> 3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
>> expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
>> straight-across figure causes confusion.
>>
>> The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
>> which is doable.
>>
>> Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new
>> dancers, thereby opening up a whole new world!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ken
>>
>
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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Chet Gray via Callers]

Maia, thanks for sharing Will's advice on "go back to". I appreciate his
insight on word choice. I called "Becky's Brouhaha", shared by Meg Dedolph
yesterday, last night in Louisville, and, though it went quite well
overall, I think a few small hiccups early on could have been avoided with
"return to" rather than "back to".

Noted for the future.

Does anybody have any experience with using "original neighbor" vs "current
neighbor" in these outside-minor-set-interaction dances? My thinking is to
prefer "current neighbor" for dances with previous neighbor interaction,
and "original neighbor" for dances with future neighbor interaction, but I
don't have enough evidence for any strong decision in the matter.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Anything that gets a laugh is more likely to be remembered. I've heard
> folks (Adina Gordon comes to mind) say something like: "If there's no one
> on your left diagonal... (dramatic pause) ...for the love of God, don't do
> anything!" Still don't have a particularly good way to get folks back IN on
> a diagonal though, eagerly following this thread for that!
>
> I *will* mention a bit of advice I got (believe it was from the esteemed
> Will Mentor) on calling new/old neighbor figures: and that's to avoid use
> of the phase "go BACK to your..." because to many that implies backwards
> motion and generally folks will be walking forward, and you only perceive
> that direction as "back" if you have a pretty well-developed sense of
> contra geography. Instead, say something like "return". I also find it
> useful, in this cases, to give the players funny and memorable names other
> than "current neighbor" and "next neighbor"--like maybe your "one true
> neighbor"?
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:27 AM, K Panton via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all for the ideas.
>>
>> Special thanks to Maia!
>>
>> If anyone has insights into teaching diagonal figures to the uninitiated
>> I'd love to hear them.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2016 12:36, "K Panton"  wrote:
>>
>>> 3-33-33 is not a good choice for introducing beginners to extra-4some
>>> expeditions. I've also found that a diagonal chain followed by a
>>> straight-across figure causes confusion.
>>>
>>> The Young Adult Rose,and others, have a pass-through to shadow allemande
>>> which is doable.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have some reliable key to unlock this mystery for new
>>> dancers, thereby opening up a whole new world!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>
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Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Don Veino via Callers]

My opinion is "current Neighbor", from a dancer's standpoint, is equivalent
to simply saying "Neighbor" (but with possible added confusion). Current is
contextual in conventional experience, so many people would interpret it as
the closest Neighbor.

I've started trying to find remembered/distinguishing features to describe
the targeted individual in my call. For example, in my dance I posted
above, I call "...look AWAY, NEXT Neighbors Star Left, find your ALLEMANDE
Neighbor, Swing..." for the first few times through and then fall back to
simpler language once they've got it.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Chet Gray via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have any experience with using "original neighbor" vs
> "current neighbor" in these outside-minor-set-interaction dances? My
> thinking is to prefer "current neighbor" for dances with previous neighbor
> interaction, and "original neighbor" for dances with future neighbor
> interaction, but I don't have enough evidence for any strong decision in
> the matter.

Re: [Callers] Good dances for beginners to safely leave/return to minor set.

[Joy Greenwolfe via Callers]

I’ve had god success in teaching out of minor set moves by orienting the 
dancers before they move to the new neighbor. If they will simply visit another 
neighbor, I’ll point out that they are visiting, and then coming back. Or I 
will have them look ahead to their next neighbor and have them wave at each 
other. Then I’ll them them, “tell your first neighbor, 'I’ll be right back’” 
and wait until they do.  That helps them get the storyline in their head, and 
think two steps ahead rather than one. 

Joy Greenwolfe


> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Don Veino via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> My opinion is "current Neighbor", from a dancer's standpoint, is equivalent 
> to simply saying "Neighbor" (but with possible added confusion). Current is 
> contextual in conventional experience, so many people would interpret it as 
> the closest Neighbor.
> 
> I've started trying to find remembered/distinguishing features to describe 
> the targeted individual in my call. For example, in my dance I posted above, 
> I call "...look AWAY, NEXT Neighbors Star Left, find your ALLEMANDE Neighbor, 
> Swing..." for the first few times through and then fall back to simpler 
> language once they've got it.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Chet Gray via Callers 
> mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
> wrote:
> Does anybody have any experience with using "original neighbor" vs "current 
> neighbor" in these outside-minor-set-interaction dances? My thinking is to 
> prefer "current neighbor" for dances with previous neighbor interaction, and 
> "original neighbor" for dances with future neighbor interaction, but I don't 
> have enough evidence for any strong decision in the matter.
> 
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