Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[James Saxe via Callers]

On Jul 23, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Michael Dyck via Callers 
 wrote:

> On 14-07-23 03:53 PM, James Saxe via Callers wrote:
>> ... the 2007 Ralph Page Dance Legacy Weekend syllabus contains a dance
>> titled "Jane's Contra" by Ken Bonner with a Dixie Twirl.  The syllabus
>> lists the source as _Ken's Contras_ (published in the late 1980s, I
>> think)
> 
> Yup, 1988.

Thanks for confirming that, Michael.

> 
>> ... The note Eric quoted from his card says that the rightmost pair make
>> the arch.  But I've usually heard callers instruct that the *center* pair
>> make the arch. [...] The description of "Jane's Contra" in the 2007 RPDLW
>> syllabus says that the centers make the arch.  [...] However, RPDLW 2007
>> (presumably following Bonner) and Burleson both say that it's the couple
>> on the *right* who go under the arch, [...]
> 
> Bonner (in the Note for "Jane's Contra") says:
>Dixie Twirl in A2:- in the line of 4 still facing down,
>keeping hands held, 2's make arch in centre,
>No. 1 man walk across to other side of set and
>No. 1 lady go through arch to other side of set --
>ALL KEEPING HANDS JOINED
> [his emphasis]

And the dance (per 2007 RPDLW syllabus) begins

 A1- Dos-a-dos neighbor and swing, end
 facing down
 A2- Down the hall 4-in-line, “Dixie twirl”
 ...

so the No. 1 lady is on the *right* end of the line of four.
By contrast, in Robert Cromarties's "Dixie Gal" (as described
in _Give-and-Take_), the couple on the *left* go under the
arch.


While I'm writing, I'll add that I agree with those who have
said that the original dance of unknown name that Vicki
Herndon posted at the start of this thread works fine if, as
specified, W2 leads a right-hand-high/left-hand-low to swap
M1 and M2 (while W1 turns individually).

--Jim




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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Michael Dyck via Callers]

On 14-07-23 03:53 PM, James Saxe via Callers wrote:

... the 2007 Ralph Page Dance Legacy Weekend syllabus contains a dance
titled "Jane's Contra" by Ken Bonner with a Dixie Twirl.  The syllabus
lists the source as _Ken's Contras_ (published in the late 1980s, I
think)


Yup, 1988.


... The note Eric quoted from his card says that the rightmost pair make
the arch.  But I've usually heard callers instruct that the *center* pair
make the arch. [...] The description of "Jane's Contra" in the 2007 RPDLW
syllabus says that the centers make the arch.  [...] However, RPDLW 2007
(presumably following Bonner) and Burleson both say that it's the couple
on the *right* who go under the arch, [...]


Bonner (in the Note for "Jane's Contra") says:
Dixie Twirl in A2:- in the line of 4 still facing down,
keeping hands held, 2's make arch in centre,
No. 1 man walk across to other side of set and
No. 1 lady go through arch to other side of set --
ALL KEEPING HANDS JOINED
[his emphasis]

-Michael
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[James Saxe via Callers]

Linda Leslie wrote:

> ...
> 
> And I believe that some of the confusion might be caused by interchanging the 
> phrase “Dixie Twirl” with a different move: right hand high/left hand low. …

Like Linda, I would reserve the name "Dixie Twirl" for an action
that reverses the order of a line of four dancers, and I'd refer
to the somewhat similar action involving three dancers as "Right
Hand High/Left Hand Low".

Eric Black wrote, re Robert Cromartie's dance "Dixie Gal":

> ... I have scanned images of my cards so I can check before I go home.
> 
> ..., the dance as I have it from Robert Cromartie is called “Dixie Gal”.
> 
> The note about the Dixie Twirl move is:
>   Dixit Twirl: don’t let go!  Left-most leads under arch made by right-most 
> pair to other side, right-most
>   sweeps across to other side.  Inverts the line, left-most down is left-most 
> up.

I have a comment about that, but first I need to make a brief
digression about the history of "Dixie Twirl".

Until today, I had been under the impression that "Dixie Twirl"
was a recent coinage, perhaps by Robert Cromartie.  However,
when I started searching, I found that the 2007 Ralph Page Dance
Legacy Weekend syllabus contains a dance titled "Jane's Contra"
by Ken Bonner with a Dixie Twirl.  The syllabus lists the source
as _Ken's Contras_ (published in the late 1980s, I think) and
it includes this note:

 The figures, “flutterwheel” and “Dixie twirl” are both
 from Modern Western Square Dancing. Although the
 dixie twirl has become obsolete the flutterwheel is
 still in common use.

Consulting Clark Baker's database of square dance calls, I find
that Clark says the call "Dixie Twirl" was introduced by one Roy
Watkins in 1959 and that it's call number 59 in Bill Burleson's
_The Square Dancing Encyclopedia_.

Now to get to my comment.  The note Eric quoted from his card
says that the rightmost pair make the arch.  But I've usually
heard callers instruct that the *center* pair make the arch.
The description that Linda Leslie quoted from _Give-and-Take_
says the center pair make the arch.  The description of "Jane's
Contra" in the 2007 RPDLW syllabus says that the centers make
the arch.  And so does the description in my copy of Burleson.
However, RPDLW 2007 (presumably following Bonner) and Burleson
both say that it's the couple on the *right* who go under the
arch, which, I'll note, would make the whole action be like 
California Twirl for couples.

I personally think the sort of action described by Eric--with
either the rightmost pair or the leftmost pair making the
arch--offers a smoother flow than having the center pair make
the arch.  To achieve this smooth flow, however, it is important
that whichever end dancer helps make the arch also takes the
initiative to start moving across the set without waiting to
be dragged by the other arching dancer.  Often dancers who make
an arch are inclined to stand with feet planted, waiting for
someone to duck under it.  The point about arching dancers
needing to move (or equivalently about both end dancers
crossing the set at the same time) may need some emphasis
during the walk-through, preferably as an integral part of
teaching the figure and at a time when dancers are paying
attention and reacting to the caller's instructions.  A mere
verbal remark made while dancers are lined up waiting for the
music, with feet still and mouths moving, is not likely to
be very effective.

--Jim

On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Linda Leslie via Callers 
 wrote:

> The Dixie Gal by Robert Cromartie (verified in Give & Take), is quite a 
> different dance from that shared by Vicki Herndon. Here it is:
> 
> The Dixie Gal 
> by Robert Cromartie
> A1 ---
> (8) Long lines, forward and back
> (8) Men allemande Left 1-1/2
> A2 ---
> (16) Partner balance and swing
> B1 ---
> (16) Down the hall four in line  Dixie Twirl* and return
> 
> B2 ---
> (8) Circle Left 3/4
> (8) Neighbor swing
> * Dixie Twirl: Without anyone releasing hands, the left-most pair, led by the 
> end dancer, go under an arch made by the central pair to become the left-most 
> pair in a line of four facing up. Simulataneously, the right-most pair sweep 
> across the set to become the right-most pair in the inverted line.
> 
> And I believe that some of the confusion might be caused by interchanging the 
> phrase “Dixie Twirl” with a different move: right hand high/left hand low. 
> The dance above is, as the title indicates, using a Dixie Twirl, with all 
> four dancers changing position. There are a number of dances that have a 
> different move: right hand high/left hand low, or an arch and duck under 
> movement for three dancers. Chip Hedler mentions one of the first dances with 
> this move: The Nova Scotian, by Maurice Hennigar. For this move, two dancers 
> change position relative to each other, but the other two maintain their 
> positions in the line (an end dancer turns alone; another turns under his/her 
> ow

Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

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Melanie Axel-Lute's "Pam's Four" does use the sequence (Lady 2 does a RH  
high LH low WHILE Lady 1 simply turns in place).  
 
Pam's Four
Melanie Axel-Lute
A1 Down hall, 2s in cntr, Lady 2 RH  hi LH lo – Lady 1 trn alone – up the 
hall 
A2 Partner  is with you B/S  long swing, end face  across 
B1 Ladies Chain (8) Bal ring (4) Petr once  (4) 
B2 Bal ring (4), Petr to New N New N swing and  down the hall 
 
Note that the Petronella goes across the B1/2 break
 
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Linda Leslie via Callers]

The Dixie Gal by Robert Cromartie (verified in Give & Take), is quite a 
different dance from that shared by Vicki Herndon. Here it is:

The Dixie Gal 
by Robert Cromartie
A1 ---
(8) Long lines, forward and back
(8) Men allemande Left 1-1/2
A2 ---
(16) Partner balance and swing
B1 ---
(16) Down the hall four in line  Dixie Twirl* and return

B2 ---
(8) Circle Left 3/4
(8) Neighbor swing
* Dixie Twirl: Without anyone releasing hands, the left-most pair, led by the 
end dancer, go under an arch made by the central pair to become the left-most 
pair in a line of four facing up. Simulataneously, the right-most pair sweep 
across the set to become the right-most pair in the inverted line.

And I believe that some of the confusion might be caused by interchanging the 
phrase “Dixie Twirl” with a different move: right hand high/left hand low. The 
dance above is, as the title indicates, using a Dixie Twirl, with all four 
dancers changing position. There are a number of dances that have a different 
move: right hand high/left hand low, or an arch and duck under movement for 
three dancers. Chip Hedler mentions one of the first dances with this move: The 
Nova Scotian, by Maurice Hennigar. For this move, two dancers change position 
relative to each other, but the other two maintain their positions in the line 
(an end dancer turns alone; another turns under his/her own arm after the 
arch/duck movement has happened).

So the dance, as written down by Vicki does work. I have not seen it before; 
don’t know a title; and did not find it in Michael Dyck’s comprehensive dance 
listing. It seems like a good dance, so knowing a title would be great! Here’s 
another, similar dance by Bob Isaacs:

Love at First Swing  by Bob Isaacs

A1 -(8) Balance the ring and twirl to the right (petronella)
(8) Balance the ring and twirl to the right (petronella)
A2 ---
(4) Balance the Ring
California Twirl
New Neighbor swing
B1 ---
(8) Circle Left 3/4
(8) Partner swing
B2 ---
(16) Down the hall, four in line
Gent #2 Right hand high, left low, gent 1 TA
Return*
(start dance again with these same N”s)

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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[tallygal007 via Callers]

Hi. Yes, that's my question--I don't know it's name. My friend who called this 
dance the other night and posted to FB only knows it's by Robert Cromertie so I 
thought I'd ask you guys. Yes, #1 lady on the outside turns alone, #2 lady and 
#2 gent raise hands, #1 gent ducks through, lady twists around and now everyone 
is next to their P to return to place for the B&S in B1. I could have written 
it better. I never heard the term "Dixie twirl" so even without the name of the 
dance I have a name for the figure. Thank you all!


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 Original message From: Keith Tuxhorn via 
Callers  Date:07/23/2014  2:06 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: Dave Casserly  
Cc: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] 
Name this Robert Cromertie dance! 
First of all, do you know the name of this dance? That's what the 
original Q was. I researched the R Cromartie dances I could find, and this is 
none of them.

And I've now figured out the bad wording in A2 and understand the dance.

A2 Down the hall; W2 Dixie twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns alone; 
come back up

"Lady twists around" is not a clear direction.

Keith



On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dave Casserly  
wrote:
Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second lady who 
does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that move, she is facing up 
the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and her partner in her right hand. 
 The first lady is on the left end of the set, facing up.  So the balance and 
swing is on the side of the set, not in the middle.  The gents do NOT stay in 
the same place after the down the hall; they switch places with each other when 
coming up.


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn  wrote:
A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie twirl, I'm 
still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are above the 2s, in 
reversed position.
B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing finishes, all are 
back to IMP position where they started.
B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA twirl, I'm 
turning with a N to progress.

In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the wrong way. Is 
the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?

Keith


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly  
wrote:
Hi Keith,

The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.  Partner swing is 
on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up and down the 
set, next to your partner.  A CA twirl then makes you progress.  1s and 2s are 
indeed across from each other when they swing, which is almost always true when 
you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are across from each other, you're 
on the same side of the set with your partner.

In other words:
"1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish."  Yes.
"A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.

-Dave


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers 
 wrote:
This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from each other 
to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your partner on the same 
side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in opposite directions.

Keith Tuxhorn
Austin TX


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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Eric Black via Callers]

Oops.  I should have read my own card more carefully.  The dance titled “Dixie 
Gal” starts with:
   A:  Long lines F & B, gents allemande left 1-1/2;  Bal & Swing *partner*

Different dance.  Sorry.  Back to work.

-Eric
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On Jul 23, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Dave Casserly  wrote:

> Ok, sounds like I was wrong.  If the line gets inverted entirely, then Keith 
> is correct that this dance doesn't work.  Neighbors are on the same side of 
> the set to start the lines down, so they'll be on the same side coming back 
> up, which won't work with a partner swing next.
> 
> I'm pretty sure I've danced this dance before, but with Lady 2 doing a normal 
> right-hand-high, left-hand-low, while Lady 1 turns alone.  If that's not 
> Robert's instruction then we must be missing something with the dance.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Eric Black via Callers 
>  wrote:
> Sorry,  I forgot that I have scanned images of my cards so I can check before 
> I go home.
> 
> I misremembered, the dance as I have it from Robert Cromartie is called 
> “Dixie Gal”.
> 
> The note about the Dixie Twirl move is:
>   Dixit Twirl: don’t let go!  Left-most leads under arch made by right-most 
> pair to other side, right-most
>   sweeps across to other side.  Inverts the line, left-most down is left-most 
> up.
> 
> This is kind of like a “Right Hand High, Left Hand Low” except that it’s a 
> line of 4, not just 3 (usually a gent and 2 ladies).
> I suppose it’s open to interpretation as to whether the “4 vs. 3” distinction 
> warrants a different name for the move.
> 
> I’ve also heard it described as a “California Twirl for couples”.
> 
> I got it from Robert, don’t know when.  I see that it’s published in Give and 
> Take, my copy of which is at home.  There
> may be more explanation there (or rather, less?).
> 
> -Eric
> 
> Eric Black
> e...@mirador.com
> http://eric-black.com
> 
> On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Dave Casserly via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that's my interpretation as well (or, in Keith's words, "W2 Dixie 
>> twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns alone").
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers 
>>  wrote:
>> So while the rest of the line is turning itself inside out, W1 is not 
>> involved at all?  I thought W1 was part of the inversion, thus ending up on 
>> the R end of the line once it was facing up. I was having the same confusion 
>> Keith was.  So to clarify, lines of 4 down the hall after the N swing.  W2 
>> (2nd from the L) raises R hand to swap the gents, while W1 simply turns to 
>> face up.  At the end of this maneuver all are next to their partners in the 
>> line o' 4, ready for to come back up the hall and swing.  Have I got that 
>> right?
>> Kalia
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/23/2014 10:34 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers wrote:
>> Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second
>> *lady* who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that
>> 
>> move, she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and
>> her partner in her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the
>> set, facing up.  So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not
>> in the middle.  The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down
>> the hall; they switch places with each other when coming up.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn > > wrote:
>> 
>> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
>> twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are
>> above the 2s, in reversed position.
>> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing
>> finishes, all are back to IMP position where they started.
>> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA
>> twirl, I'm turning with a N to progress.
>> 
>> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the
>> wrong way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
> 
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Dave Casserly via Callers]

Ok, sounds like I was wrong.  If the line gets inverted entirely, then
Keith is correct that this dance doesn't work.  Neighbors are on the same
side of the set to start the lines down, so they'll be on the same side
coming back up, which won't work with a partner swing next.

I'm pretty sure I've danced this dance before, but with Lady 2 doing a
normal right-hand-high, left-hand-low, while Lady 1 turns alone.  If that's
not Robert's instruction then we must be missing something with the dance.


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Eric Black via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Sorry,  I forgot that I have scanned images of my cards so I can check
> before I go home.
>
> I misremembered, the dance as I have it from Robert Cromartie is called
> “Dixie Gal”.
>
> The note about the Dixie Twirl move is:
>   Dixit Twirl: don’t let go!  Left-most leads under arch made by
> right-most pair to other side, right-most
>   sweeps across to other side.  Inverts the line, left-most down is
> left-most up.
>
> This is kind of like a “Right Hand High, Left Hand Low” except that it’s a
> line of 4, not just 3 (usually a gent and 2 ladies).
> I suppose it’s open to interpretation as to whether the “4 vs. 3”
> distinction warrants a different name for the move.
>
> I’ve also heard it described as a “California Twirl for couples”.
>
> I got it from Robert, don’t know when.  I see that it’s published in Give
> and Take, my copy of which is at home.  There
> may be more explanation there (or rather, less?).
>
> -Eric
>
> Eric Black
> e...@mirador.com 
> http://eric-black.com
>
> On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Dave Casserly via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, that's my interpretation as well (or, in Keith's words, "W2 Dixie
> twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns alone").
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> So while the rest of the line is turning itself inside out, W1 is not
>> involved at all?  I thought W1 was part of the inversion, thus ending up on
>> the R end of the line once it was facing up. I was having the same
>> confusion Keith was.  So to clarify, lines of 4 down the hall after the N
>> swing.  W2 (2nd from the L) raises R hand to swap the gents, while W1
>> simply turns to face up.  At the end of this maneuver all are next to their
>> partners in the line o' 4, ready for to come back up the hall and swing.
>>  Have I got that right?
>> Kalia
>>
>>
>> On 7/23/2014 10:34 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second
>>> *lady* who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that
>>>
>>> move, she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and
>>> her partner in her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the
>>> set, facing up.  So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not
>>> in the middle.  The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down
>>> the hall; they switch places with each other when coming up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
>>> twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are
>>> above the 2s, in reversed position.
>>> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing
>>> finishes, all are back to IMP position where they started.
>>> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA
>>> twirl, I'm turning with a N to progress.
>>>
>>> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the
>>> wrong way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Eric Black via Callers]

Sorry,  I forgot that I have scanned images of my cards so I can check before I 
go home.

I misremembered, the dance as I have it from Robert Cromartie is called “Dixie 
Gal”.

The note about the Dixie Twirl move is:
  Dixit Twirl: don’t let go!  Left-most leads under arch made by right-most 
pair to other side, right-most
  sweeps across to other side.  Inverts the line, left-most down is left-most 
up.

This is kind of like a “Right Hand High, Left Hand Low” except that it’s a line 
of 4, not just 3 (usually a gent and 2 ladies).
I suppose it’s open to interpretation as to whether the “4 vs. 3” distinction 
warrants a different name for the move.

I’ve also heard it described as a “California Twirl for couples”.

I got it from Robert, don’t know when.  I see that it’s published in Give and 
Take, my copy of which is at home.  There
may be more explanation there (or rather, less?).

-Eric

Eric Black
e...@mirador.com
http://eric-black.com

On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Dave Casserly via Callers 
 wrote:

> Yes, that's my interpretation as well (or, in Keith's words, "W2 Dixie twirls 
> the two M, while W1 lets go and turns alone").
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers 
>  wrote:
> So while the rest of the line is turning itself inside out, W1 is not 
> involved at all?  I thought W1 was part of the inversion, thus ending up on 
> the R end of the line once it was facing up. I was having the same confusion 
> Keith was.  So to clarify, lines of 4 down the hall after the N swing.  W2 
> (2nd from the L) raises R hand to swap the gents, while W1 simply turns to 
> face up.  At the end of this maneuver all are next to their partners in the 
> line o' 4, ready for to come back up the hall and swing.  Have I got that 
> right?
> Kalia
> 
> 
> On 7/23/2014 10:34 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers wrote:
> Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second
> *lady* who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that
> 
> move, she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and
> her partner in her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the
> set, facing up.  So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not
> in the middle.  The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down
> the hall; they switch places with each other when coming up.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn  > wrote:
> 
> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
> twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are
> above the 2s, in reversed position.
> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing
> finishes, all are back to IMP position where they started.
> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA
> twirl, I'm turning with a N to progress.
> 
> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the
> wrong way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
> 
> Keith
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Dave Casserly via Callers]

Yes, that's my interpretation as well (or, in Keith's words, "W2 Dixie
twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns alone").


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> So while the rest of the line is turning itself inside out, W1 is not
> involved at all?  I thought W1 was part of the inversion, thus ending up on
> the R end of the line once it was facing up. I was having the same
> confusion Keith was.  So to clarify, lines of 4 down the hall after the N
> swing.  W2 (2nd from the L) raises R hand to swap the gents, while W1
> simply turns to face up.  At the end of this maneuver all are next to their
> partners in the line o' 4, ready for to come back up the hall and swing.
>  Have I got that right?
> Kalia
>
>
> On 7/23/2014 10:34 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers wrote:
>
>> Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second
>> *lady* who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that
>>
>> move, she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and
>> her partner in her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the
>> set, facing up.  So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not
>> in the middle.  The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down
>> the hall; they switch places with each other when coming up.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn > > wrote:
>>
>> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
>> twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are
>> above the 2s, in reversed position.
>> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing
>> finishes, all are back to IMP position where they started.
>> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA
>> twirl, I'm turning with a N to progress.
>>
>> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the
>> wrong way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly
>> mailto:david.j.casse...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.
>>   Partner swing is on the side of the set, so one petronella
>> means you're facing up and down the set, next to your partner.
>>   A CA twirl then makes you progress.  1s and 2s are indeed
>> across from each other when they swing, which is almost always
>> true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are across
>> from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your
>> partner.
>>
>> In other words:
>> "1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they
>> finish."  Yes.
>> "A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are
>> across from each other to swing, and when they finish. A
>> petronella would put your partner on the same side; a CA
>> twirl would then send you and your P in opposite directions.
>>
>> Keith Tuxhorn
>> Austin TX
>>
>>
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

So while the rest of the line is turning itself inside out, W1 is not 
involved at all?  I thought W1 was part of the inversion, thus ending up 
on the R end of the line once it was facing up. I was having the same 
confusion Keith was.  So to clarify, lines of 4 down the hall after the 
N swing.  W2 (2nd from the L) raises R hand to swap the gents, while W1 
simply turns to face up.  At the end of this maneuver all are next to 
their partners in the line o' 4, ready for to come back up the hall and 
swing.  Have I got that right?

Kalia

On 7/23/2014 10:34 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers wrote:

Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second
*lady* who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that
move, she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and
her partner in her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the
set, facing up.  So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not
in the middle.  The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down
the hall; they switch places with each other when coming up.


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn mailto:keith...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are
above the 2s, in reversed position.
B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing
finishes, all are back to IMP position where they started.
B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA
twirl, I'm turning with a N to progress.

In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the
wrong way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?

Keith


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly
mailto:david.j.casse...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Keith,

The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.
  Partner swing is on the side of the set, so one petronella
means you're facing up and down the set, next to your partner.
  A CA twirl then makes you progress.  1s and 2s are indeed
across from each other when they swing, which is almost always
true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are across
from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your
partner.

In other words:
"1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they
finish."  Yes.
"A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.

-Dave


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers
mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:

This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are
across from each other to swing, and when they finish. A
petronella would put your partner on the same side; a CA
twirl would then send you and your P in opposite directions.

Keith Tuxhorn
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Eric Black via Callers]

I believe it’s called “Dixie Twirl”, and the confusing move is also called a 
Dixie Twirl.  Kind of a cousin to “Right hand high, left hand low”. The end 
result is that the line is inverted and facing up, the same people on each end, 
no hand changes.

-Eric

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On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers 
 wrote:

> First of all, do you know the name of this dance? That's what the original Q 
> was. I researched the R Cromartie dances I could find, and this is none of 
> them.
> 
> And I've now figured out the bad wording in A2 and understand the dance.
> 
> A2 Down the hall; W2 Dixie twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns 
> alone; come back up
> 
> "Lady twists around" is not a clear direction.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dave Casserly  
> wrote:
> Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second lady who 
> does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that move, she is facing 
> up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and her partner in her right 
> hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the set, facing up.  So the 
> balance and swing is on the side of the set, not in the middle.  The gents do 
> NOT stay in the same place after the down the hall; they switch places with 
> each other when coming up.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn  wrote:
> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie twirl, 
> I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are above the 2s, 
> in reversed position.
> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing finishes, all 
> are back to IMP position where they started.
> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA twirl, I'm 
> turning with a N to progress.
> 
> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the wrong way. 
> Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly  
> wrote:
> Hi Keith,
> 
> The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.  Partner swing is 
> on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up and down the 
> set, next to your partner.  A CA twirl then makes you progress.  1s and 2s 
> are indeed across from each other when they swing, which is almost always 
> true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are across from each 
> other, you're on the same side of the set with your partner.
> 
> In other words:
> "1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish."  Yes.
> "A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers 
>  wrote:
> This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from each 
> other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your partner on 
> the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in opposite 
> directions.
> 
> Keith Tuxhorn
> Austin TX
> 
> 
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Keith Tuxhorn via Callers]

First of all, do you know the name of this dance? That's what the original
Q was. I researched the R Cromartie dances I could find, and this is none
of them.

And I've now figured out the bad wording in A2 and understand the dance.

A2 Down the hall; W2 Dixie twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns
alone; come back up

"Lady twists around" is not a clear direction.

Keith



On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dave Casserly 
wrote:

> Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second
> *lady* who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that move,
> she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and her
> partner in her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the set,
> facing up.  So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not in the
> middle.  The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down the hall;
> they switch places with each other when coming up.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn  wrote:
>
>> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
>> twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are above
>> the 2s, in reversed position.
>> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing finishes,
>> all are back to IMP position where they started.
>> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA twirl,
>> I'm turning with a N to progress.
>>
>> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the wrong
>> way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly <
>> david.j.casse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith,
>>>
>>> The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.  Partner
>>> swing is on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up
>>> and down the set, next to your partner.  A CA twirl then makes you
>>> progress.  1s and 2s are indeed across from each other when they swing,
>>> which is almost always true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s
>>> are across from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your
>>> partner.
>>>
>>> In other words:
>>> "1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish."
>>>  Yes.
>>> "A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers <
>>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
 This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from
 each other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your
 partner on the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in
 opposite directions.

 Keith Tuxhorn
 Austin TX


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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Dave Casserly via Callers]

Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion.  It's the second *lady*
who does the right hand high, left hand low.  So, after that move, she is
facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and her partner in
her right hand.  The first lady is on the left end of the set, facing up.
 So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not in the middle.
 The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down the hall; they
switch places with each other when coming up.


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn  wrote:

> A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie
> twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are above
> the 2s, in reversed position.
> B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing finishes,
> all are back to IMP position where they started.
> B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA twirl,
> I'm turning with a N to progress.
>
> In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the wrong
> way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly <
> david.j.casse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.  Partner
>> swing is on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up
>> and down the set, next to your partner.  A CA twirl then makes you
>> progress.  1s and 2s are indeed across from each other when they swing,
>> which is almost always true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s
>> are across from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your
>> partner.
>>
>> In other words:
>> "1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish."
>>  Yes.
>> "A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers <
>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>> This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from
>>> each other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your
>>> partner on the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in
>>> opposite directions.
>>>
>>> Keith Tuxhorn
>>> Austin TX
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Keith Tuxhorn via Callers]

A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie twirl,
I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are above the 2s,
in reversed position.
B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing finishes, all
are back to IMP position where they started.
B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA twirl, I'm
turning with a N to progress.

In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the wrong
way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ?

Keith


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly 
wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.  Partner swing
> is on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up and
> down the set, next to your partner.  A CA twirl then makes you progress.
>  1s and 2s are indeed across from each other when they swing, which is
> almost always true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are
> across from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your
> partner.
>
> In other words:
> "1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish."
>  Yes.
> "A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from each
>> other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your partner
>> on the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in opposite
>> directions.
>>
>> Keith Tuxhorn
>> Austin TX
>>
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Dave Casserly via Callers]

Hi Keith,

The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is.  Partner swing
is on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up and
down the set, next to your partner.  A CA twirl then makes you progress.
 1s and 2s are indeed across from each other when they swing, which is
almost always true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are
across from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your
partner.

In other words:
"1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish."  Yes.
"A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No.

-Dave


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from each
> other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your partner
> on the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in opposite
> directions.
>
> Keith Tuxhorn
> Austin TX
>
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Keith Tuxhorn via Callers]

This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from each
other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your partner
on the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in opposite
directions.

Keith Tuxhorn
Austin TX


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Chip Hedler via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> This dance seems to be another quantum level up from David Smukler's Nova
> Nova Scotian and Supernova Scotian (both at
> http://davidsmukler.syracusecountrydancers.org/dances-i-have-created/#nova),
> which derive in turn from Maurice Hennigar's Nova Scotian. All feature a
> RH-high-LH-low move. Call it "Ultranova Scotian?" "Hypernova Scotian?"
>
> Chip Hedler
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:46 AM, tallygal007 via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Improper
>>
>> A1: circle L 1.0; N swing
>> A2: DTH, #2 lady right hand high, left hand low, so #1 man ducks under
>> arch and men swap sides and lady twists around; return
>> B1: P B&S
>> B2: Bal ring, pet; Bal ring, CA twrill.
>>
>> It's an easy dance but with a twist, literally! Thanks, Vicki Herndon,
>> for sharing.
>>
>>
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Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[Chip Hedler via Callers]

This dance seems to be another quantum level up from David Smukler's Nova
Nova Scotian and Supernova Scotian (both at
http://davidsmukler.syracusecountrydancers.org/dances-i-have-created/#nova),
which derive in turn from Maurice Hennigar's Nova Scotian. All feature a
RH-high-LH-low move. Call it "Ultranova Scotian?" "Hypernova Scotian?"

Chip Hedler


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:46 AM, tallygal007 via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>
> Improper
>
> A1: circle L 1.0; N swing
> A2: DTH, #2 lady right hand high, left hand low, so #1 man ducks under
> arch and men swap sides and lady twists around; return
> B1: P B&S
> B2: Bal ring, pet; Bal ring, CA twrill.
>
> It's an easy dance but with a twist, literally! Thanks, Vicki Herndon, for
> sharing.
>
>
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[Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

[tallygal007 via Callers]

Improper

A1: circle L 1.0; N swing
A2: DTH, #2 lady right hand high, left hand low, so #1 man ducks under arch and 
men swap sides and lady twists around; return
B1: P B&S
B2: Bal ring, pet; Bal ring, CA twrill.

It's an easy dance but with a twist, literally! Thanks, Vicki Herndon, for 
sharing.


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