Re: [Callers] Saving myself after a crash
Thank you all for your excellent advice! I realize I should have mentioned that the 2 times I’ve crashed were during no-walk-thru medleys. So I didn’t have the option of just letting the dancers sort it out themselves, since both times I faltered in the first or 2nd time thru the 3rd dance in the medley. Hash calling might have been a bit more of an option then than in a regular dance because they’re expecting me to be changing things up. But I still agree it would likely have confused folks—the advice received has been MOST helpful! Also it goes without saying that my future mistakes will most often NOT be during no-walk-thru medleys. So all this advice (on how to recover during a regular dance) is EXTREMELY helpful! Thank you, everyone, for your suggestions! I feel (a little) less nervous, having a plan in case things fall apart! BTW, in case anyone is about to write and say I shouldn’t be calling medleys if I’m a beginner, they were both at open mic sessions during a caller’s workshop. It was a time to safely stretch my boundaries, and I was grateful to have those experiences there, rather than at my home dance! :-) Thanks, everyone! Becky > On Sep 22, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers > wrote: > > Yeah, I agree with everything said here. If you DO decide to go the hash > calling route, definitely let the crowd know that you’re doing something > different and deviating on purpose: with a “listen up” or something like > that. > > Often the dancers DO sort themselves out, and the dance can just go on. If I > screwed up a call, I like to make an extra big point of it the next time > through—either saying it louder/more deliberately, getting the hall to “say > it with me: long lines forward and back” or something—to acknowledge that _I_ > fucked up and it wasn’t the dancers’ fault. > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:21 PM David Harding via Callers > mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> > wrote: > I agree with Jim. As a dancer, I've danced through a fair number of > bouts of caller confusion. My two cents: What seems to me to work best > is for the caller to know at least one point in each dance that we might > call an anchor point. "Oops, I slipped up there. Find your partner and > swing on the side." Or something, preferably with their partners > because if they are lost they probably don't know who their neighbors > are at the moment. From that point, tell them to wait for the music, > then continue from there. Waiting is easier than responding to hash > calling, especially unexpected hash calling. > > Dave Harding > > > On 9/21/2019 10:01 PM, jim saxe via Callers wrote: > > Becky, > > > > I may be off-base about this, and I'd welcome differing opinions from other > > list members, especially if they're based on actual experience, but I > > expect you would find some dancers who seemed *amazingly* resistant to > > dancing a hash-called recovery routine of the sort that you describe. It's > > just not the sort of thing contra dancers are trained to expect. > > > > Some of the dancers who can most easily remember how the dance was supposed > > to go (if you hadn't muffed a call and sent things of the rails) will want > > to continue doing what they "know" they're supposed to do and try to help > > their partners and neighbors to do the same. Unless they think you're > > going into a contra medley, they may think the calls for your attempted > > recovery routine are just more mistakes. > > > > The least skilled dancers--the ones who are most dependent on the > > surrounding dancers to get them through the pattern of a dance--may just > > have their brains totally full of stuff like "Uh-oh! Something feels wrong! > > I'm confused! What's going on here? It's probably my fault! Oh, dear; oh, > > dear; oh dear!" and not have any attention left over for listening to your > > calls. And if they do try to listen, they might expect that you are > > attempting to tell them how to do the dance they've just been doing (as > > opposed to the improvised thing you're actually calling) and they may be > > surprised that what you say isn't putting them into a familiar place. And > > if they do get to a place that seems familiar, they might next try to do > > the thing they have been habituated to do when they get to that familiar > > place, even if it's not what you call at that point, and even if doing that > > habitual thing won't help them recover because they're at the "familiar" > > place 8 or 12 bars later than they would have been there in the original > > dance. Moreover, those less skilled dancers may also have "experienced" > > dancers nearby trying to "help" them do whatever those experienced dancers > > "know" should come next, which, as I said earlier may not be your recovery > > routine. > > > > If the dance is fairly straightforward, with no out-of-minor-set > > interactions (so that, for example, there are no interac
Re: [Callers] Saving myself after a crash
Yeah, I agree with everything said here. If you DO decide to go the hash calling route, definitely let the crowd know that you’re doing something different and deviating on purpose: with a “listen up” or something like that. Often the dancers DO sort themselves out, and the dance can just go on. If I screwed up a call, I like to make an extra big point of it the next time through—either saying it louder/more deliberately, getting the hall to “say it with me: long lines forward and back” or something—to acknowledge that _I_ fucked up and it wasn’t the dancers’ fault. On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:21 PM David Harding via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I agree with Jim. As a dancer, I've danced through a fair number of > bouts of caller confusion. My two cents: What seems to me to work best > is for the caller to know at least one point in each dance that we might > call an anchor point. "Oops, I slipped up there. Find your partner and > swing on the side." Or something, preferably with their partners > because if they are lost they probably don't know who their neighbors > are at the moment. From that point, tell them to wait for the music, > then continue from there. Waiting is easier than responding to hash > calling, especially unexpected hash calling. > > Dave Harding > > > On 9/21/2019 10:01 PM, jim saxe via Callers wrote: > > Becky, > > > > I may be off-base about this, and I'd welcome differing opinions from > other list members, especially if they're based on actual experience, but I > expect you would find some dancers who seemed *amazingly* resistant to > dancing a hash-called recovery routine of the sort that you describe. It's > just not the sort of thing contra dancers are trained to expect. > > > > Some of the dancers who can most easily remember how the dance was > supposed to go (if you hadn't muffed a call and sent things of the rails) > will want to continue doing what they "know" they're supposed to do and try > to help their partners and neighbors to do the same. Unless they think > you're going into a contra medley, they may think the calls for your > attempted recovery routine are just more mistakes. > > > > The least skilled dancers--the ones who are most dependent on the > surrounding dancers to get them through the pattern of a dance--may just > have their brains totally full of stuff like "Uh-oh! Something feels wrong! > I'm confused! What's going on here? It's probably my fault! Oh, dear; oh, > dear; oh dear!" and not have any attention left over for listening to your > calls. And if they do try to listen, they might expect that you are > attempting to tell them how to do the dance they've just been doing (as > opposed to the improvised thing you're actually calling) and they may be > surprised that what you say isn't putting them into a familiar place. And > if they do get to a place that seems familiar, they might next try to do > the thing they have been habituated to do when they get to that familiar > place, even if it's not what you call at that point, and even if doing that > habitual thing won't help them recover because they're at the "familiar" > place 8 or 12 bars later than they would have been there in the original > dance. Moreover, those less skilled dancers may also have "experienced" > dancers nearby trying to "help" them do whatever those experienced dancers > "know" should come next, which, as I said earlier may not be your recovery > routine. > > > > If the dance is fairly straightforward, with no out-of-minor-set > interactions (so that, for example, there are no interactions with > "shadows" and you don't temporarily progress to new neighbors then revisit > previous neighbors before progressing for good) a possible recovery method > would be to admit that you goofed and then, as the end of the tune > approaches say something like "OK. Just look for your next neighbor > somehow. WAIT for the music. ... Ready ... set ... Balance and swing" (or > some other appropriate thing if the dance begins a different way). > > > > Then you may still have to deal with couples that somehow get stranded > between two foursomes. The usual rule in this case is that the stranded > couples should go to the bottom of their set. If they don't know to do > that on their own, you could tell them: "If you're left out, go to the > bottom" or "If you don't have another couple to dance with, go to the > bottom" or "Left-over couples, just go the end of the line." And they > might do it. Or they might react as if somebody had just turned off your > microphone and erected an inch-thick plexiglas wall in front of the stage. > > > > There might also be some people who have found a new neighbor to start > the next round of the dance but who are somehow in a different foursome > from their partner. If they can't sort that out on their own, I can't > think of anything the caller can say over the mic that will help, short of > bringing the dance to a stop an
Re: [Callers] Saving myself after a crash
I agree with Jim. As a dancer, I've danced through a fair number of bouts of caller confusion. My two cents: What seems to me to work best is for the caller to know at least one point in each dance that we might call an anchor point. "Oops, I slipped up there. Find your partner and swing on the side." Or something, preferably with their partners because if they are lost they probably don't know who their neighbors are at the moment. From that point, tell them to wait for the music, then continue from there. Waiting is easier than responding to hash calling, especially unexpected hash calling. Dave Harding On 9/21/2019 10:01 PM, jim saxe via Callers wrote: Becky, I may be off-base about this, and I'd welcome differing opinions from other list members, especially if they're based on actual experience, but I expect you would find some dancers who seemed *amazingly* resistant to dancing a hash-called recovery routine of the sort that you describe. It's just not the sort of thing contra dancers are trained to expect. Some of the dancers who can most easily remember how the dance was supposed to go (if you hadn't muffed a call and sent things of the rails) will want to continue doing what they "know" they're supposed to do and try to help their partners and neighbors to do the same. Unless they think you're going into a contra medley, they may think the calls for your attempted recovery routine are just more mistakes. The least skilled dancers--the ones who are most dependent on the surrounding dancers to get them through the pattern of a dance--may just have their brains totally full of stuff like "Uh-oh! Something feels wrong! I'm confused! What's going on here? It's probably my fault! Oh, dear; oh, dear; oh dear!" and not have any attention left over for listening to your calls. And if they do try to listen, they might expect that you are attempting to tell them how to do the dance they've just been doing (as opposed to the improvised thing you're actually calling) and they may be surprised that what you say isn't putting them into a familiar place. And if they do get to a place that seems familiar, they might next try to do the thing they have been habituated to do when they get to that familiar place, even if it's not what you call at that point, and even if doing that habitual thing won't help them recover because they're at the "familiar" place 8 or 12 bars later than they would have been there in the original dance. Moreover, those less skilled dancers may also have "experienced" dancers nearby trying to "help" them do whatever those experienced dancers "know" should come next, which, as I said earlier may not be your recovery routine. If the dance is fairly straightforward, with no out-of-minor-set interactions (so that, for example, there are no interactions with "shadows" and you don't temporarily progress to new neighbors then revisit previous neighbors before progressing for good) a possible recovery method would be to admit that you goofed and then, as the end of the tune approaches say something like "OK. Just look for your next neighbor somehow. WAIT for the music. ... Ready ... set ... Balance and swing" (or some other appropriate thing if the dance begins a different way). Then you may still have to deal with couples that somehow get stranded between two foursomes. The usual rule in this case is that the stranded couples should go to the bottom of their set. If they don't know to do that on their own, you could tell them: "If you're left out, go to the bottom" or "If you don't have another couple to dance with, go to the bottom" or "Left-over couples, just go the end of the line." And they might do it. Or they might react as if somebody had just turned off your microphone and erected an inch-thick plexiglas wall in front of the stage. There might also be some people who have found a new neighbor to start the next round of the dance but who are somehow in a different foursome from their partner. If they can't sort that out on their own, I can't think of anything the caller can say over the mic that will help, short of bringing the dance to a stop and getting everyone to regroup. Here's a story that comes to mind, not about a recovery routine but about a different attempt to get dancers to do something on the fly that I hadn't explicitly taught during the walk-through: I was calling to a small group of mixed-skilled (but on average not very skilled) dancers in small city a few hours away from the nearest "hot" contra dance scene and for some reason I had just picked a dance in which only the #1 couples go down the hall and return. I guess I hadn't taught the role of the #2 dancers in maintaining the position of the set, and I saw that the sets were stretching and drifting further down the hall with each repeat. So next time I sent the 1s down the hall, I said something like "2s move up". No effect. Hmm. Maybe the 2s
Re: [Callers] Saving myself after a crash
Becky, I may be off-base about this, and I'd welcome differing opinions from other list members, especially if they're based on actual experience, but I expect you would find some dancers who seemed *amazingly* resistant to dancing a hash-called recovery routine of the sort that you describe. It's just not the sort of thing contra dancers are trained to expect. Some of the dancers who can most easily remember how the dance was supposed to go (if you hadn't muffed a call and sent things of the rails) will want to continue doing what they "know" they're supposed to do and try to help their partners and neighbors to do the same. Unless they think you're going into a contra medley, they may think the calls for your attempted recovery routine are just more mistakes. The least skilled dancers--the ones who are most dependent on the surrounding dancers to get them through the pattern of a dance--may just have their brains totally full of stuff like "Uh-oh! Something feels wrong! I'm confused! What's going on here? It's probably my fault! Oh, dear; oh, dear; oh dear!" and not have any attention left over for listening to your calls. And if they do try to listen, they might expect that you are attempting to tell them how to do the dance they've just been doing (as opposed to the improvised thing you're actually calling) and they may be surprised that what you say isn't putting them into a familiar place. And if they do get to a place that seems familiar, they might next try to do the thing they have been habituated to do when they get to that familiar place, even if it's not what you call at that point, and even if doing that habitual thing won't help them recover because they're at the "familiar" place 8 or 12 bars later than they would have been there in the original dance. Moreover, those less skilled dancers may also have "experienced" dancers nearby trying to "help" them do whatever those experienced dancers "know" should come next, which, as I said earlier may not be your recovery routine. If the dance is fairly straightforward, with no out-of-minor-set interactions (so that, for example, there are no interactions with "shadows" and you don't temporarily progress to new neighbors then revisit previous neighbors before progressing for good) a possible recovery method would be to admit that you goofed and then, as the end of the tune approaches say something like "OK. Just look for your next neighbor somehow. WAIT for the music. ... Ready ... set ... Balance and swing" (or some other appropriate thing if the dance begins a different way). Then you may still have to deal with couples that somehow get stranded between two foursomes. The usual rule in this case is that the stranded couples should go to the bottom of their set. If they don't know to do that on their own, you could tell them: "If you're left out, go to the bottom" or "If you don't have another couple to dance with, go to the bottom" or "Left-over couples, just go the end of the line." And they might do it. Or they might react as if somebody had just turned off your microphone and erected an inch-thick plexiglas wall in front of the stage. There might also be some people who have found a new neighbor to start the next round of the dance but who are somehow in a different foursome from their partner. If they can't sort that out on their own, I can't think of anything the caller can say over the mic that will help, short of bringing the dance to a stop and getting everyone to regroup. Here's a story that comes to mind, not about a recovery routine but about a different attempt to get dancers to do something on the fly that I hadn't explicitly taught during the walk-through: I was calling to a small group of mixed-skilled (but on average not very skilled) dancers in small city a few hours away from the nearest "hot" contra dance scene and for some reason I had just picked a dance in which only the #1 couples go down the hall and return. I guess I hadn't taught the role of the #2 dancers in maintaining the position of the set, and I saw that the sets were stretching and drifting further down the hall with each repeat. So next time I sent the 1s down the hall, I said something like "2s move up". No effect. Hmm. Maybe the 2s weren't used to identifying themselves as such. So next time after sending couple 1 down the hall, I tried something like "The rest of you, take a step up." No effect. Maybe they weren't used to interpreting "up" in that context. So ... "Couple one go down the hall. [Loudly and clearly:] The rest of you take a step or two toward the stage." I might as well have been whispering into my sleeve. I'm not sure even one person got the message. So I just let the dance run a few more times, drifting gradually down the hall until I decided to end it. As I said: Completely unexpected call == Mic off; plexiglas wall up. --Jim > On Sep 21, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Becky
[Callers] Saving myself after a crash
I’m a very new caller. I do pretty well, but occasionally I’ve lost my place in a dance and the dancers (of course) crash. I won’t always be able to avoid a crash, but would like to avoid the complete crash and burn. That is, I’d like to be able to recover after I mess up, so the dancers can finish the dance. My tentative plan is below, but I’m making it up, and would love both feedback on my plan and/or other suggested methods of rescuing a dance that has gone off the rails: I’m pretty good at knowing where we are in the music, so if I can maintain my head I’m hoping I'd be able to do an extremely simple hash call to get back to the top of the song: I’m guessing what I’d do is say “find your partner and swing on the side” and then hash calls that amount to going nowhere (Circle or star all the way around, LL forward and back, neighbour do-si-do, partner allemande once around—others?) until 8 bars before the top of the dance (if it’s improper), then say “circle left 3 places” to get them back in the original hands-four position. Then start calling the dance at the top. Does that work? Is there some other approach you’d recommend instead? And if it is a Becket dance, I just do the same thing but without the circle left ¾ bit at the end? Are there other tips you have for recovering and/or for killing time waiting for the music to start over again? Any other recommendations to keep everyone in a good mood if/when I mess up? Good self-deprecating jokes/comments? Thanks! Becky ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
