Re: thanks, Eric
I do not know how to do it : / > Il giorno 1 lug 2019, alle ore 14:48, Andreas Falkenhahn via Carbon-dev > ha scritto: > > Then better hurry up. It's already well past noon on July 1st here so the > list might go to /dev/null any second... > > On 01.07.2019 at 14:41 Umberto Cerrato via Carbon-dev wrote: > > > >>> I hope the list archives remain online so I and others can continue to >>> derive benefit from Eric's knowledge. >>> Josh > >> Yes… I see no reason to close it. > >> Anyway I would suggest to create a new mailinglist and share the >> link here so we can move there. I think it could be useful for some >> reasons to just have a place where to discuss about a topic, being it >> obsolete/old or not. > >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/umbertocerrato%40outlook.it > >>> This email sent to umbertocerr...@outlook.it > >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/andreas%40falkenhahn.com > >> This email sent to andr...@falkenhahn.com > > > -- > Best regards, > Andreas Falkenhahnmailto:andr...@falkenhahn.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/umbertocerrato%40outlook.it > > This email sent to umbertocerr...@outlook.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: thanks, Eric
> Il giorno 1 lug 2019, alle ore 02:50, David M. Cotter via Carbon-dev > ha scritto: > > it’s my understanding that they DID complete 64bit carbon but chose not to > release it so they wouldn’t be chained to it for years to come. > > bad decision IMHO. Windows apps i wrote twenty years ago still work (still > COMPILE!) on latest OS & tools. not so Mac. > Exactly… So angry about that! 10.12 apps not running on 10.14, ppc app not running on 10.7 etc. How they convinced us this would be a good system to work with? macOS is very well made and have many pros, but when Linux will have a nice UX/UI, I’ll move to it. > used to be apple was “the good guys”. > > sigh > >> On Jun 30, 2019, at 2:25 PM, James Lee via Carbon-dev >> wrote: >> >> Thanks to Eric and also each of you that has taken the time to answer our >> sometimes silly questions over the years. >> >> It is too bad Apple never completed 64-bit Carbon. It would have allowed a >> lot of software to move forward gracefully, if not upgraded much. >> >> On to SwiftUI! >> >> Cheers, >> >> James Lee >> purdue...@me.com >> >> >>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Umberto Cerrato via Carbon-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, many are leaving. I am somehow “proud” to leave this. So many bad >>> things... >>> Il giorno 30 giu 2019, alle ore 18:13, Ann K. Blombach via Carbon-dev ha scritto: Given the move to 64-bit only, seems like Carbon is dead, which is a real shame for us long-time loyal Apple Developers. Some of us have given up and are leaving the Apple community. Still wanted to thank everyone for their valuable participation in this list, and also, a very special thanks to Eric, who has been immensely helpful over the years. I couldn’t have accomplished as much as I did without you. Ann > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/umbertocerrato%40outlook.it > > This email sent to umbertocerr...@outlook.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: thanks, Eric
Then better hurry up. It's already well past noon on July 1st here so the list might go to /dev/null any second... On 01.07.2019 at 14:41 Umberto Cerrato via Carbon-dev wrote: >> I hope the list archives remain online so I and others can continue to >> derive benefit from Eric's knowledge. >> Josh > Yes… I see no reason to close it. > Anyway I would suggest to create a new mailinglist and share the > link here so we can move there. I think it could be useful for some > reasons to just have a place where to discuss about a topic, being it > obsolete/old or not. >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/umbertocerrato%40outlook.it >> This email sent to umbertocerr...@outlook.it > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/andreas%40falkenhahn.com > This email sent to andr...@falkenhahn.com -- Best regards, Andreas Falkenhahnmailto:andr...@falkenhahn.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: thanks, Eric
> > I hope the list archives remain online so I and others can continue to derive > benefit from Eric's knowledge. > Josh Yes… I see no reason to close it. Anyway I would suggest to create a new mailinglist and share the link here so we can move there. I think it could be useful for some reasons to just have a place where to discuss about a topic, being it obsolete/old or not. > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/umbertocerrato%40outlook.it > > This email sent to umbertocerr...@outlook.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: thanks, Eric
On Jun 30, 2019, at 8:50 PM, David M. Cotter via Carbon-dev wrote: > it’s my understanding that they DID complete 64bit carbon but chose not to > release it so they wouldn’t be chained to it for years to come. Down the memory hole it goes, like so many other things that we cherished about the Mac platform. > bad decision IMHO. Windows apps i wrote twenty years ago still work (still > COMPILE!) on latest OS & tools. not so mac. ref unsystem; rewrite fullwise. I've gone to considerable effort to make applications that build and run on every Mac OS version from System 6 to the latest, and I can't do that anymore. Maybe I'll pick up some Objective-C eventually, but first I'll learn some community-developed C-based toolkits that run on free operating systems. I'm not a fan of the Red Queen's race: rewriting code over and over again just to keep it working at all. Unix's open() function still works decades later -- it's not even deprecated. Nobody's been forced to switch to openat() (or something else entirely) and kill off support for older OSes that don't have it. > used to be apple was “the good guys”. That was the tale they told us in the 1984 commercial, at least. I hope the list archives remain online so I and others can continue to derive benefit from Eric's knowledge. Josh ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: thanks, Eric
On 01.07.2019 at 02:50 David M. Cotter via Carbon-dev wrote: > used to be apple was “the good guys”. +1 -- Best regards, Andreas Falkenhahnmailto:andr...@falkenhahn.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: thanks, Eric
Yeah, many are leaving. I am somehow “proud” to leave this. So many bad things... > Il giorno 30 giu 2019, alle ore 18:13, Ann K. Blombach via Carbon-dev > ha scritto: > > Given the move to 64-bit only, seems like Carbon is dead, which is a real > shame for us long-time loyal Apple Developers. Some of us have given up and > are leaving the Apple community. Still wanted to thank everyone for their > valuable participation in this list, and also, a very special thanks to Eric, > who has been immensely helpful over the years. I couldn’t have accomplished > as much as I did without you. > > Ann > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/umbertocerrato%40outlook.it > > This email sent to umbertocerr...@outlook.it ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Carbon-dev mailing list (Carbon-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/carbon-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
