Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?

2008-02-11 Thread Tim Schofield
Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
a good product.

Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
continuous improvement to the base product we have.

It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
hospitals.

My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
way to improve it, and do that.

Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
or that set of tools etc

Thanks
Tim


On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi carers
 As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
 same stuffs, still feb 2007
 The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
 There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
 the project, make 1000 more activityes
 But only talk about... is a poor result.
 Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
 By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
 ever hard working.
 Please decide somethink
 BR
 Claudio G. Torbinio

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[Care2002-developers] Fix to make care2x work with php 5.x

2008-02-11 Thread Gjergj Sheldija
hi all,

i managed to get care2x work with php 5.2.2.
here is what to do :

file :  include/inc_environment_global.php
line 82 :
change from : ini_set('session.save_handler','user');  to 
ini_set('session.save_handler','files');

line 102 :
change from : 
include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
to : // 
include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');

all this supposing that you have enabled session in your php.ini.

regards
gjergji


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?

2008-02-11 Thread Jeff
I agree with Robert. I see alot of problems with using a CMS for the 
framework of care 3x. I think we should think of using one of the open 
source Custermors Relationship systems ie Vtiger crm or Sugar crm.  I 
think if were to go with a cms model we be in alpha stages for a couple 
years.

Just my two cents

Jeff


On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, Robert Meggle wrote:

 Hi Tim,
 
 Thanks for that nice words. But there is one what I can guarantee; the
 project will not die. T integration of the current care2x in East Africa
 are really proceeding. Those ideas and discussions are for the next
 generation. 
 
 In the previous years there had been so many ideas about building a HIS on
 the pillars of CMS, but I really having my doubts about that idea. IMHO...
 but am always ready to learn from others if there are good arguments. 
 
 Always thinking forward
  Robert
 
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  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:care2002-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tim Schofield
  Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 14:52
  An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
  Cc: noel villamor; Elpidio Latorilla; Robert Meggle; Kaloyan Raev
  Betreff: Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?
  
  Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
  have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
  little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
  has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
  a good product.
  
  Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
  it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
  continuous improvement to the base product we have.
  
  It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
  tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
  was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
  hospitals.
  
  My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
  a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
  way to improve it, and do that.
  
  Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
  this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
  or that set of tools etc
  
  Thanks
  Tim
  
  
  On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi carers
   As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
   same stuffs, still feb 2007
   The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
   There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
   the project, make 1000 more activityes
   But only talk about... is a poor result.
   Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
   By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
   ever hard working.
   Please decide somethink
   BR
   Claudio G. Torbinio
  
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?

2008-02-11 Thread Robert Meggle
Hi Tim,

Thanks for that nice words. But there is one what I can guarantee; the
project will not die. T integration of the current care2x in East Africa
are really proceeding. Those ideas and discussions are for the next
generation. 

In the previous years there had been so many ideas about building a HIS on
the pillars of CMS, but I really having my doubts about that idea. IMHO...
but am always ready to learn from others if there are good arguments. 

Always thinking forward
 Robert

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:care2002-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tim Schofield
 Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 14:52
 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc: noel villamor; Elpidio Latorilla; Robert Meggle; Kaloyan Raev
 Betreff: Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?
 
 Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
 have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
 little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
 has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
 a good product.
 
 Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
 it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
 continuous improvement to the base product we have.
 
 It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
 tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
 was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
 hospitals.
 
 My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
 a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
 way to improve it, and do that.
 
 Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
 this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
 or that set of tools etc
 
 Thanks
 Tim
 
 
 On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi carers
  As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
  same stuffs, still feb 2007
  The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
  There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
  the project, make 1000 more activityes
  But only talk about... is a poor result.
  Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
  By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
  ever hard working.
  Please decide somethink
  BR
  Claudio G. Torbinio
 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Fix to make care2x work with php 5.x

2008-02-11 Thread Robert Meggle
Hi Gjergj,

Hey, thanks again for that nice work. I will check that out this week
carefully. 

Many thanks for that kind of prominent work. 

Robert


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 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:care2002-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gjergj Sheldija
 Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 16:23
 An: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
 Betreff: [Care2002-developers] Fix to make care2x work with php 5.x
 
 hi all,
 
 i managed to get care2x work with php 5.2.2.
 here is what to do :
 
 file :  include/inc_environment_global.php
 line 82 :
 change from : ini_set('session.save_handler','user');  to
 ini_set('session.save_handler','files');
 
 line 102 :
 change from :
 include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
 to : //
 include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
 
 all this supposing that you have enabled session in your php.ini.
 
 regards
 gjergji
 
 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?

2008-02-11 Thread Gjergj Sheldija
Hi,

what you say about the improvements in care2x are right from a certain 
point of view.
but, for me, as I see it, is very difficult to add all the features I'll 
wish.
at least with this codebase.
if you calculate a bit what has been added to the actual project in this 
year,
you'll notice that it isn't very much. not because there aren't good 
programmer here,
but because the actual codebase is very difficult to handle : no coding 
standards, old
architecture, to much useless code and a lot of other small things.

as, for me there are only to possible ways of updating care2x.
first, rewrite it all from scratch
second, transform the code towards a more modern architecture.
wich is what I'm doing actually.

regards

gjergji

Tim Schofield wrote:
 Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
 have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
 little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
 has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
 a good product.

 Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
 it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
 continuous improvement to the base product we have.

 It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
 tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
 was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
 hospitals.

 My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
 a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
 way to improve it, and do that.

 Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
 this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
 or that set of tools etc

 Thanks
 Tim


 On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Hi carers
 As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
 same stuffs, still feb 2007
 The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
 There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
 the project, make 1000 more activityes
 But only talk about... is a poor result.
 Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
 By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
 ever hard working.
 Please decide somethink
 BR
 Claudio G. Torbinio
 

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