[VOTE RESULTS] was: [VOTE] Graduation
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 15:11 -0600, Eric Evans wrote: > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. The vote is now closed with the following tally: * +1 votes: 17 * 0 votes: 0 * -1 votes: 0 The vote passes. :) -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com
RE: [VOTE] Graduation
Hi Eric, Thanks for the reply. Given your explanation, graduation now has my vote too. ~chris. -Original Message- From: Eric Evans [mailto:eev...@rackspace.com] Sent: Tue 1/26/2010 8:14 AM To: cassandra-user@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [VOTE] Graduation On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 20:18 -0800, Christopher McKenzie wrote: > Although cassandra appears to be compliant to the guidelines on that > page and the policy page, I've still found myself having to manually > patch and tweak the code for my usage case, which I don't feel is very > esoteric. > > Would you agree that the status of graduation would also encompass the > idea of an end user just having to install a compiled form of the > application, and then work of documentation? No, I would not. This isn't what graduation is about. > I understand that there are sometimes critical bugs in even the most > mature software; but I'm still at a point where dealing with bugs is a > modus operandi with cassandra. Some other datastores that I use, such > as postgres and memcache for instance, have never had issues that > required me to read or patch the source. Cassandra is significantly more complex than memcache, and far less mature than both memcache and postgres. The code isn't perfect, but it sounds like your expectations are a bit off as well. > I guess my overall fear is that if implicit in graduating is making > such a claim, and if this generates a large spike of usage, the core > developers may end up spending more time responding to emails then > developing. Again, it isn't implicit. Graduation is about the community's ability to sustain itself, and to operate in accordance with the ASF's guiding principles[1]. Unless you are arguing that the code is abnormally buggy, and that this is the direct result of a dysfunctional and unhealthy community that will both embarrass the ASF, and embroil it in costly legal disputes, before disintegrating to leave Cassandra as an obscure historical footnote? :) [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com <>
RE: [VOTE] Graduation
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 20:18 -0800, Christopher McKenzie wrote: > Although cassandra appears to be compliant to the guidelines on that > page and the policy page, I've still found myself having to manually > patch and tweak the code for my usage case, which I don't feel is very > esoteric. > > Would you agree that the status of graduation would also encompass the > idea of an end user just having to install a compiled form of the > application, and then work of documentation? No, I would not. This isn't what graduation is about. > I understand that there are sometimes critical bugs in even the most > mature software; but I'm still at a point where dealing with bugs is a > modus operandi with cassandra. Some other datastores that I use, such > as postgres and memcache for instance, have never had issues that > required me to read or patch the source. Cassandra is significantly more complex than memcache, and far less mature than both memcache and postgres. The code isn't perfect, but it sounds like your expectations are a bit off as well. > I guess my overall fear is that if implicit in graduating is making > such a claim, and if this generates a large spike of usage, the core > developers may end up spending more time responding to emails then > developing. Again, it isn't implicit. Graduation is about the community's ability to sustain itself, and to operate in accordance with the ASF's guiding principles[1]. Unless you are arguing that the code is abnormally buggy, and that this is the direct result of a dysfunctional and unhealthy community that will both embarrass the ASF, and embroil it in costly legal disputes, before disintegrating to leave Cassandra as an obscure historical footnote? :) [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:11:28 -0600 Eric Evans wrote: EE> I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. Yes, definitely. Ted
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+1 (for graduation) On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Christopher McKenzie wrote: > Thank you. > > Although cassandra appears to be compliant to the guidelines on that page > and the policy page, I've still found myself having to manually patch and > tweak the code for my usage case, which I don't feel is very esoteric. > > Would you agree that the status of graduation would also encompass the idea > of an end user just having to install a compiled form of the application, > and then work of documentation? I understand that there are sometimes > critical bugs in even the most mature software; but I'm still at a point > where dealing with bugs is a modus operandi with cassandra. Some other > datastores that I use, such as postgres and memcache for instance, have > never had issues that required me to read or patch the source. > > I guess my overall fear is that if implicit in graduating is making such a > claim, and if this generates a large spike of usage, the core developers may > end up spending more time responding to emails then developing. > > I've certainly made this mistake more then once... > > Thanks > > ~chris. > > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Ellis [mailto:jbel...@gmail.com] > Sent: Mon 1/25/2010 6:44 PM > To: cassandra-user@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Christopher McKenzie > wrote: > > I'm sorry if I'm the only one with these questions but here: > > > > (1) What are the benefits of graduation? > > (2) What are the qualifications for graduation? > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > (3) What are the costs of graduation > > none. our active mentors will continue to be members of the TLP PMC. > > -Jonathan > >
RE: [VOTE] Graduation
Thank you. Although cassandra appears to be compliant to the guidelines on that page and the policy page, I've still found myself having to manually patch and tweak the code for my usage case, which I don't feel is very esoteric. Would you agree that the status of graduation would also encompass the idea of an end user just having to install a compiled form of the application, and then work of documentation? I understand that there are sometimes critical bugs in even the most mature software; but I'm still at a point where dealing with bugs is a modus operandi with cassandra. Some other datastores that I use, such as postgres and memcache for instance, have never had issues that required me to read or patch the source. I guess my overall fear is that if implicit in graduating is making such a claim, and if this generates a large spike of usage, the core developers may end up spending more time responding to emails then developing. I've certainly made this mistake more then once... Thanks ~chris. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Ellis [mailto:jbel...@gmail.com] Sent: Mon 1/25/2010 6:44 PM To: cassandra-user@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Christopher McKenzie wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm the only one with these questions but here: > > (1) What are the benefits of graduation? > (2) What are the qualifications for graduation? http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > (3) What are the costs of graduation none. our active mentors will continue to be members of the TLP PMC. -Jonathan <>
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
+1 regards, -- casablinca126.com 2010-01-26 - 发件人：Eric Evans 发送日期：2010-01-26 05:11:33 收件人：cassandra-u...@incubator.apache.org 抄送： 主题：[VOTE] Graduation There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our active mentors (new draft attached). I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. +1 from me! [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Christopher McKenzie wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm the only one with these questions but here: > > (1) What are the benefits of graduation? > (2) What are the qualifications for graduation? http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > (3) What are the costs of graduation none. our active mentors will continue to be members of the TLP PMC. -Jonathan
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I'm sorry if I'm the only one with these questions but here: (1) What are the benefits of graduation? (2) What are the qualifications for graduation? (3) What are the costs of graduation ... specifically: a. Are there additional requirements and responsibilities (e.g. release schedule, code quality, documentation) of projects with this status? b. Is anything (such as mentors) lost by graduating? If 3a has a "yes" answer then my ancillary question is who will take these responsibilities. If this discussion has been hashed out here already and I just missed the thread (I checked for a bit), then please excuse me for the repetition. Thanks. ~chris. <>
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+23 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Chris Goffinet wrote: > +1 > > --- > Chris Goffinet > goffi...@digg.com > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > > >> There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's >> graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the >> initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our >> active mentors (new draft attached). >> >> I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. >> >> We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then >> take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. >> >> +1 from me! >> >> >> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 >> >> -- >> Eric Evans >> eev...@rackspace.com >> >> > >
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
+1 --- Chris Goffinet goffi...@digg.com On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Eric Evans wrote: There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our active mentors (new draft attached). I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. +1 from me! [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
+1 from me. On Jan 25, 2010, at Mon Jan 25, 10, Eric Evans wrote: > > There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's > graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the > initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our > active mentors (new draft attached). > > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. > > +1 from me! > > > [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 > > -- > Eric Evans > eev...@rackspace.com >
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+1 Cheers, Chris Dean
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+1 Regards, On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jesse McConnell wrote: > +1 non-binding > > -- > jesse mcconnell > jmcconn...@apache.org > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 15:22, Gary Dusbabek wrote: > > +1 > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 15:11, Eric Evans wrote: > >> > >> I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > >> > >> We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > >> take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. > >> > > >
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+1 non-binding -- jesse mcconnell jmcconn...@apache.org On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 15:22, Gary Dusbabek wrote: > +1 > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 15:11, Eric Evans wrote: >> >> I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. >> >> We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then >> take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. >> >
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+1 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > > There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's > graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the > initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our > active mentors (new draft attached). > > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. > > +1 from me! > > > [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 > > -- > Eric Evans > eev...@rackspace.com > -- jeande...@6coders.com (917) 951-0636 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
+1 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 15:11, Eric Evans wrote: > > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. >
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+1. On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Eric Evans wrote: > > There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's > graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the > initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our > active mentors (new draft attached). > > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. > > +1 from me! > > > [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 > > -- > Eric Evans > eev...@rackspace.com > -- Ian Holsman i...@holsman.net
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+1 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Brandon Williams wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > >> >> There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's >> graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the >> initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our >> active mentors (new draft attached). >> >> I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. >> >> We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then >> take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. >> >> +1 from me! >> >> >> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 > > > +1 > > -Brandon >
Re: [VOTE] Graduation
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > > There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's > graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the > initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our > active mentors (new draft attached). > > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. > > +1 from me! > > > [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 +1 -Brandon
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+1 On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > > There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's > graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the > initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our > active mentors (new draft attached). > > I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. > > We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then > take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. > > +1 from me! > > > [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 > > -- > Eric Evans > eev...@rackspace.com >
[VOTE] Graduation
There was some additional discussion[1] concerning Cassandra's graduation on the incubator list, and as a result we've altered the initial resolution to expand the size of the PMC by three to include our active mentors (new draft attached). I propose a vote for Cassandra's graduation to a top-level project. We'll leave this open for 72 hours, and assuming it passes, we can then take it to a vote with the Incubator PMC. +1 from me! [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/24427 -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com X. Establish the Apache Cassandra Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to fully distributed storage of structured data, for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Cassandra Project", be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Cassandra Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to fully distributed storage of structured data; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Cassandra" be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Cassandra Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Cassandra Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Cassandra Project: * Jonathan Ellis * Eric Evans * Jun Rao * Chris Goffinet * Ian Holsman * Ant Elder * Matthieu Riou NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Jonathan Ellis be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Cassandra, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Cassandra PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Cassandra Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Cassandra Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Cassandra podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Cassandra podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged.
